Duplicate earns "duplicate" awards!!!!

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I am very disappointed. I've complained about this a couple of weeks ago and the problem was taken care at that time. But the situation was arose again and as a result a duplicate of a photo got an award twice, once for each copy!!!!!

Specifically, I've reported repeatedly a specific entry in the pets category as duplicate (as a matter of fact it was a triplicate) --- I'd gladly share the entry with the pixoto staff. The photo is nice, no doubt about, but it violated rules nonetheless. Despite my multiple reports the photo remained in the competition and two (of the three) copies of the photo won a 20% week-level award.

There is a bigger problem that I have with duplicate or practically duplicate photos that by all means skew duels and impact chances less prolific photographers to shine. Something needs to be done about it, but I'll talk more about it in another note.

CB
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I'm not satisfied by the noted discussion thread. The point is that a duplicate photos won awards while they have been already reported. I mean, if Pixoto cannot handle reported cases of violations of the simplest kind (this and that photo are identical) and awards are given to them, then there is a serious operational problems with the site.

I have other "ethics" concerns (involving us, the photographers) with practically duplicate photos which I'll discuss in another note. After this much simpler case is resolved to my satisfaction.
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I have also just reported on a guy, who although is a very good mobile phone photographer - but has numerous, numerous duplicate entries, numerous awards including photographer of the year?
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This topic has been discussed ad nauseam...........obviously to no avail.

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
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DOES ANYONE FROM PIXOTO CHECKS THE PIXOTO SUPPORT SITE?

DON'T YOU FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT THE CREDIBILITY OF PIXOTO IS AT STAKE!!!
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We do check the site - but unfortunately due to a death in my family I have gotten very behind. We do delete photos that are reported as duplicate. It is very easy to do if the images are exactly the same (and at least one was submitted after November 26th - the day we created the no duplicates rule). If the images are different but use the same base image it is harder to manage. If you find that your image report hasn't been taken care of after 2 business days - please feel free to email me at jason@pixoto.com and I'll look into it.
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Dear Jason, please accept my condolences for the death in the family. May he/she rest in piece.

The particular situation that I noted was a straightforward duplicate (actually triplicate) of the same photo. When two of them got a weekly awards despite my repeated reports, you may understand my frustration.

I would gladly contact you directly next time an issue does not seem to resolve.

I also think we may need to consider "submission" rules (I prefer to call them ethics rules) that go beyond the mere duplication of photos. If one were to check portairts of female violinist, one may think that 80% of them are left-handed, they play up on a grassy hill usually next to horse, or that the overwhelming majority of men are extremely wrinkled and smoke, or 5 dogs cover 75% of the dog population, or there infinite combinations to reorder colored pencils -- I know I exaggerate the numbers, but I think you get the point I'm trying to make. Photographers should not use Pixoto to test whether version A or B of this or that photoshot is better when the two are only minutely different. If one version is good, the voting procedures in Pixoto in all likelihood will mark that the other photo is good too. By flooding the system with multilpe versions of basically the same photo (it doesnot matter if you switch the order of the colored pens, artistically, it is still the same photo), these photographers are guaranteed to earn the majority of the awards given out, thus, handicapping others equally qualified.

Pixoto should not be a repository of someone's photos --there are other sites for this-- but a showcase of the best, exceptional, and unique artistic achievements of a photographer.

I know that it may be harder to police the above. But this is a community led site. As long as rules of participation exist, they can provide a basis for reporting violations and self-policing.
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bluetoothDrummer~

That was perfectly eloquently succinctly said.
~L
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Well said bluetoothDrummer~ and I hope administration looks into it. I totally agree. I also hope administration looks into clearly Photoshop images being placed in the wrong category........especially flowers/plants.
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Im beginning to wonder if this site is actually legit.. do people really win actual cash prizes? The people Ive talked to that have been on this site awhile say theyve never seen a dime if what they were supposed to have won.
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Let's keep the thread focused.
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Carlie I did get a check in the mail for $50.00 back in November last year. However this year I find that it is becoming increasingly difficult to keep a picture in the Top Rank for 50 seconds! :^)
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Carlie, I must deny your assumption : I once won a cash prize of $100 for a #1 picture in Wildlife. The money was quickly and correctly transferred on my Paypal account.
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I will post this one on a three different threads, just to get chance that it GETS NOTICED from PIXOTO EXCECS!!

Following two images are DUPLICATES, both hefty awarded, and it is against the rules of Pixoto.

1. http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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2. http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

One image can be considered as "original", while the other is "copy", placed in the other category.

Since Pixoto allows only one b/w "offspring" of the original image, then it is clear that the second one cannot be neither allowed in contest, nor awarded!

I am not sure that these are the only such "tricky jobs" from the author. But let Pixoto Execs do some examining, and... if I am correct, deleting image(s), as well as their awards!!
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Well done Tigi, I hope that this gets noticed as soon as possible!!!
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I guess they will both get awards. Not only one award but a few
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Sorry to inform you, but Jason has dismissed the idea of recategorizing or removing either of these images. The reason:

Photographer used the "Pixoto rules grey zone", or - the lack of their precision.

So much of our reporting and consequences...

Greetings from sunny Croatia! :)
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Tigi, greetings from Sunny Florida. I can assure you that most, if not all, of the top Players week after week are simply duplicating their work or reinventing a previous picture with different shades a color. As you have already noticed, many of the Top Players are simply changing titles from week to week!!!
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Terry, you observed this very well and I hope these practices will soon be prohibited. The trick is simple : you have a very beautiful image with a high score (by preference in Landscape and nature where most of the points are to be earned) and then you submit it several times with a different crop or you 'photoshop' it with another background or other pasted items...
That is the way to collect the maximum of points based on one basic shot. Meanwhile we just wait and see it happen...
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Here is a picture by Alamsyah Rauf http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

And here is a picture by Rian Rinaldi http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Does any one here believe in coincidence?
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If you read the comments underneath the photographs you will see that Ryan says they were shot together by both he and Alamsyah. While there are no doubt a lot of cheaters on Pixoto, I don't think Admin can dispute this one. However the ones that Ghislain refers to are definitely duplications of exactly the same photograph, different overlays for the color, different crops, different backgrounds. It has been suggested, and hopefully the Admin will listen, that they appoint some members as moderators to watch for and report these duplications. Since the rules have so many "grey" areas and there is money prizes, cheaters are inevitable.
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sad but true. I even didn't post any picture last Sunday because I don't know why I would. Lost of interest!
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There is one good way to fix the problem at Pixoto and that is to make note of the EXIF of each picture! I find it difficult to believe that two photographers would use one camera!

Admin you should be able to see the EXIF as to WHO took the picture or any picture for that mater!
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Dear Pixoto Admin, you really need to be checking the EXIF of any picture being contested. The EXIF would reveal who the photographer is. It also shows the camera type/model.
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Pixoto Admin, this link may Help you> http://mansurovs.com/what-is-exif-data

I find it totally incredible that You are not checking EXIF data as I am so carful to check my EXIF data before posting!
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Terry - we can check EXIF (that's how we get the information on the bottom of the image) but I'm not sure what you are requesting us to check here...
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what do you think about this:

1st Submission: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Next Entry March: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

And This is photoshop: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Good catch JB. I've see several photos of this type, and it is very frustrating (and deep down, disappointing). As always, please report it to Pixoto.
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Being very new to Pixoto this is a whole new experience for me and from my early experiences of how the community and judging works it's easy to see this website really lifts a photographers motivation and does great things for it's members, it's hard not to really appreciate the majority of quality work published here and the vital feedback provided by its members.

But...

I don't like to stir the pot or alienate anyone for that matter but clearly much of what has been said above resonates with a strong following and much truth. Since i signed up I've enjoyed following the journey our photos take but it wasn't until actually browsing a little i looked at some of the top scoring photographers and i became rather shocked and to my disappointment "not surprised" they have so many points.

it's very evident that some, not all of the high scoring photographers DO NOT deserve many of the points or accolades they have acquired, I won't go into details because those above and many in forums before have already done that but It opened my eyes as to how writhe this website is of duplicates, mirrors and replicas which are validated and worst of all REWARDED as unique and original works.

As far as I am concerned you should only get one shot, not five with different filters or slightly adjusted angles or modifications. ONE SHOT... What competitions, galleries or exhibitions professional or amateur allow their entrants to provide multitudes of very similar shots for the judges or public to deliberate on? That defeats the purpose of the event, and I'm just talking about the entry phase, on Pixoto people are actually getting recognition and rewards for this very unfair behavior!

Not to alienate anyone in particular so I've taken screenshots instead of providing links but these are exactly what many members on Pixoto are clearly and fairly upset about, these photographers are indeed talented i give them that but sadly their actions bring two words to mind, greed and selfishness. I as do many hope Pixoto can find some resolution to this highly unfair and rewarded behavior.

Please play by the rules people, all four mirrors below total 500-600 points each and have most likely each received awards quadrupling the photographers total score. This is cheating the system and it's hard to see it any other way.


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I think you wrote your post at the same time I wrote mine. I totally agree with you. I found another one and I don't care to post the link even to the awards page of this tog. He has pics which wins 3-4 5% top of the month with the same picture and for following months. It's very disappointing and it looks that the only way to get many points and awards is to play a foul play

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