Does anyone notice Pixoto participation is way down?

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Has anyone noticed participation continues to drop? I think people are kind of fed up with certain photographers resubmitting images they had from a year or two ago and changing their name. Really agitates me and I wonder why I continue to submit. It used to be an addiction for me but anymore, the voting seems so crazy and these photographers that cheat, it just really doesn't seem worth it anymore. Anyone else feel like this?
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I noticed this too.... and the invasion of the blue lotus is back in my category.
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Absolutely have noticed. I like to work in Transportation, and to see the same photographer put in 15-20 shots (good, bad, ugly) a night (complete with their months-old comments attached) as just being submitted for the first time is disheartening. I have now kept track manually, and there is absolutely no doubt rules are not being followed as far as submissions. It wasn't until recently that I could start to see a real difference in how many (or few) entries there were. I feel like you do, too. I was addicted for the fun, but have found other places to spend time and am now just accepting the fact that I may or may not post something on Pixoto every few nights. To be straight forward (to anyone who even cares...Pixoto....) I am becoming less and less enthused with this site. It has a lot of good possibilities, but it also seems like there is no real effort to make it a site for photographers by photographers. It is so easy to see the blatant cheating of a few, yet when pointed out, there is nothing in the way of correcting the behavior.
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Hardly come here anymore,,not entered a shot in months the same old shots and the cheating and the lack of control by the owners just put me right off.
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Same here, as far as the crazy voting goes my best shots get the worst scores anymore. I have pics that barely get to 400 points in the duels, yet they win Judge's awards in the contests. What's going on there ? Do the cheaters not cheat in the in the contests, They only cheat in the duels?
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It's easier to flash vote when you know the start of the voting process. I guess it's harder to keep tabs when the community contests start, thereby harder to flash vote for favorable initial points.

Besides, with regards to the main duels, everyone can see the progress of your leading images by just watching the leaderboard. That observation was made while I was wearing my tin foil hat.
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Hey, Shootin' A...That is so right, cheaters can only see who is wining in the duels, not the contests!...(I also have a tin foil hat, talking political conspiracies is my second hobby after photography)
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A man named Balagi has shot some worst pics still his pics get either 5 % or top 10 awards may b this crook Balaji has done some setting with pixoto admins
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I see the water lilies are back, same old pictures as before.....no wonder people lose interest.
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Some one just started another contest for flowers. Now along with the repetitive flower duels we will have even more lilies to endure while this new contest lasts;
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I was just going to post a topic on this last night. I don't use the site as much as I used to but have been submitting more this month. However the categories are all really low on content. I tend to post a lot in Dogs and last year there were at least a hundred per day in that category. Yesterday there were 30 something submissions.
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Of course people will loose interest when the site is managed the way it is...Just software running the calculations, and Jasenka or others of the few people who run this server seems to have no interest in doing the site better, ban the copy cats, etc. I'm throwing in some photos now and then, just to see if anybody likes them, but Pixoto votes/awards does not stand for quality. I've uploaded photos which I would not even print and hang on my wall, but they get fairly high votes, and good photos with lower scores.... But, it the concept is good, so there will surely be other starting up a better site in the future....
To much photoshopping......:-)
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When I still see questions from 'four years ago', that is when I start to know a site is weak. (The Back-button for example.) It has great potential. I have basically quit putting anything in Transportation category. Too many from the same person each night...like clockwork. Always between 15-20. Doesn't matter if the "votes" select the best. In his case, they are retreads and it junks up the category. Like Roar said, there is crap on there I wouldn't line a bird cage with....yet he seems to accept being "Best Photographer of the Year" proudly. I, for one, will give him less competition in the future.... Maybe he can win the coveted "Most Postings of the Same Picture in a Year Without Getting Caught 2016" award.
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I am curious to hear an opinion on this from Jasenka as a user as opposed to Jasenka as s customer support rep. Does it concern you at all?
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Hi DVA, as community rep my concern is to handle topics in community. It is management decision to change (or don't change) Pixoto. I just now checked Animal dogs category for number of submitted images on this day through years and I could see that numbers don't give conclusion that there are so less users. Here are results: 2016 - #images is 32 (as of now), 2015- #images is 30, 2014 - #images is 149, 2013 - #images is 32, 2012 - #images is 53, 2011 - #images is 20 - so only peak that is notecable is in 2014, other numbers are more of less similar (other days and categories may be different, but I didn't check them - I selected Dogs because of mention of that category in this topic).

As a user, I must say that I don't post that much lately, but that is because I just don't have time. After I got married in 2014 and moved to live in country, with all chores around cattle and land, I just don't have much free time. But when I do get time to take photos I post them on Pixoto. About my concerns as user - I'm not concerned on people who resubmit images - it is something Pixoto suggest to be done if you are not satisfied with your score (and I have done it sometimes, if I think I have great image but it started badly).
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Jasenka, while you have been kind enough to help me in the past, and often by pasting the rules directly from the site, I would start "being concerned" --to use your words. Below is what you were kind enough to answer my question of constant re-submitting by an individual the first time... The person I am talking about is still laughing at the 'rules' all the way..... Sixth time this year I have seen that same old roadster--not to mention train after train after train...

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Hello Db, image can be resubmitted 5 times, then once in a week. Image that won 5% or better award can not be resubmitted by user - user needs to ask us to resubmit image (we implemented this to prevent users resubmitting high awarded images on daily bases).
I hope this helps.

Old saying: You live by the sword; you die by the sword.

I, too, hope this helps.
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Jasenka, while I agree that 2014 was the best year of Pixoto I tend to see the downward spiral after that. I pulled 5 categories for weekly numbers of images for week 36 for last 5 years

Buildings & Architecture
2016 - 829
2015 - 1035
2014 - 1637
2013 - 1524
2012 - 1015

City, Street and Park
2016 - 521
2015 - 639
2014 - 1004
2013 - 826
2012 - 608

B&W
2016 - 481
2015 - 655
2014 - 798
2013 - category did not exist

Children & Kids
2016 - 357
2015 - 459
2014 - 813
2013 - 1034
2012 - 599

People
2016 - 962
2015 - 1336
2014 - 2459
2013 - 3103
2012 - 2268

And that's without all those people who deleted their accounts and therefore all their photos are gone. It's clear to me that Pixoto hit its peak in 2013-2014 and after that it's a free fall. The number of submissions over past 2 years fell 50% or more in those 5 categories and I am sure same situation is happening in other categories as well. For any other site such situation would be a huge concern - your content is dropping and you are losing users. But I guess not here. What's even stranger is few weeks ago Jason responded to my question on Pixoto goals as "increase the number of photos sold". How in the world you guys are going to accomplish this goal is beyond me. The quantity is dropping (and, by the way, so is the quality), yet you want to sell more.... Good luck, I guess.
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Hi DB, "Sixth time this year I have seen that same old roadster" is well within our rules for resubmission - that is less then once per month, which is rarer then once per week as it states in resubmit guidelines.
Once image is resubmitted, user has ability to resubmit it 4 more times a day, then once per week (resubmit button is disabled in the meantime).
please bear in mind that user can delete image and submit it again.

I hope this helps.
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Thank you for the answer. You truly do your best, and I appreciate it. That being said, I think the intent and the spirit of what is going on in this type of environment is best described as cheating or dissing your fellow photographers. Unfortunately, the bottom line is that eventually people see it for what it is. If I ran my business the way this is run, I would have to have some strong customer relationship counseling on stand by. It is readily apparent MR. X will continue to submit the same junk day after day and thus dominate the category. It is also unfortunate that people like me will get fed up and move on.
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I brought up this problem several months ago and it seems the drift away from Pixoto continues.

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

I may be wasting my breath, but I still believe the basic format of images dueling against each other is great. However the problems of repetitive winning images is driving many photographers away from this site to Viewbug/500px/1x and others.

I do not just mean similar or duplicate images, the voting patterns seems to promote the same type/composition of images to do well in each category at the expense of highly crafted and imaginative images that do well on other sites.

I do not think I need to highlight specifics but just look at the type of submissions in the Pixoto's people category and make a comparison to 500px.

This was something that I bought up in another post.

Image submissions down in nearly all categories some by up to 30% from corresponding periods in 2014.

People category May-July 2015 daily submission average 250 per day. down 30% on corresponding periods 2014.

Landscape category May-July 2015 daily submission average 450 per day. down 15% on corresponding periods 2014.

Buildings category May-July 2015 daily submission average 230 per day. down 18% on corresponding periods 2014.

Landscape category Jan 2016 average daily submission average 350

People category Jan 2016 average daily submission average 190

Buildings category Jan 2016 average daily submission average 150

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This is the latest........................

Landscape category Aug 2016 average daily submission average 300

People category Aug 2016 average daily submission average 120

Buildings category Aug 2016 average daily submission average 120
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What do I think is wrong...here goes

1) Remove the cash prize....it only intensifies cheating
2) Remove the need for voting on the uncategorized section. (why would I want to waste my time)
3) Limit the entry to user competitions to 2 images per person. (choose your best photo....not dozens of average images)
4) Remove duplicates and similar images from the black and white category (either color or b&w not both)
5) Limit of 2 images per day in each category
6) Widen global appeal...the site is still too SE Asian centric.
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Thank you all for suggestions.
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OUTSTANDING!!!!!
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Pity the site seem to loose users, only 99 entries in Nature Up Close today...And, I'm a bit scared......what makes a person want to photograph the same object 1000 times, and upload several of them,l taken from different angles, almost every day................scary!
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Agreed Jack....
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Its been said before but if they removed the cash prizes and got a lot stricter on duplicates and the other issues raised then people might come back.No cash prizes would greatly reduce the incentitive to cheat.....
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I've drifted away from pixoto for this reason. I just posted a few solid images, and they are doing poorly. I can acknowledge when the image I dueled is better or comparable, but it frustrates me to keep losing to images that are clearly bad. And I've noticed several images that are out of focus, underexposed, poor composition...but they have more wins than losses.

I really like the concept of pixoto. It's too bad that it's not managed better.
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It seems as though they are doing some things. They are seemingly being stricter with people who put duplicates up and Pixoto is deleting accounts it seems. DB Channer should check the transportation category again
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Thank you, Kelley!
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oops - I guess I steered you wrong on that one. I found another similar name who hasn't posted since 2014. But I do know that some accounts have been deleted.
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i think you may have mis-attributed the praise for getting rid of duplicates... it is not the Pixoto team that has increased the enforcement.. it is the regular users that has reported duplicates in better numbers to the team, for the team to check. I think the accounts that have been deleted have to do with posting copyrighted material... not duplicates or any other infractions. Illegal use of someone else's material is about the only reason I have seen for Pixoto to delete an account contrary to the users wishes. Or using an account to promote a sex escort site..lol.
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No problem :) I checked back and sure enough, the same 'junk' was back on again for the umpteenth time--never gets above the lower 20%, but there it was. Honestly, I have quit entering anything for a while and am trying to decide whether or not to renew. I like a lot about the site, but even when I do report duplicates or playing-the rule-entries, there is an answer from Pixoto that says that it is allowed. The I read the rules (again) about voting and think how hypocritical of Pixoto's reply. It's all good, though. Eventually after we see the same train shot or roadster shot or junk shot, people will get the idea and maybe Pixoto will too. At least one thing has come from it--I no longer gauge how good my shots are from daily duels. It keeps me trying harder. :) As for "complicated" algorithms, no---they are not. Good hype, but not even in a competitive class if you know anything about programming. A lot of good about this site and the people on it....and aside from the Pixoto excuses, I see a LOT of great talent and thank those who take the time to still contribute good work!
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It's weird because when I search his name (train man) in the search field it doesn't show it. The "violin guy" is definitely gone. And someone told me that Pixoto deleted their account and they started a second one. And that one seems gone, too. I don't want to call out that person on the message boards cause they come on here some. I didn't ask why the account was deleted but I really don't think it was due to plagerism. With the violin guy disappearing and the person who told me their acct was deleted plus not finding train guy in search tool made me think they are doing some quiet behind-the-scene clean up. But I could be wrong (I was wrong about train guy for sure). I really enjoy Pixoto and wish they would fix the blatant problems
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I was surprised to see that after nearly a year away- typography single letters is still being flooded by non letters by mr KP. My suggestion is to ban the letter "o" and "c" just to eliminate kp's endless entries. This site is so entirely un professional! Cant they see that not cracking down on these award hogs is making them loose membership. is his monthly membership dues worth loosing the dues from 15 others? PIXOTO- clean up your site before one of us goes and makes a new site thats run right!
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There were (are) numerous long-standing problems with people gaming the system, the repetitive deletion and re-submission being just one of them. The contests feature the same tired old subjects over and over again and lack basic moderation tools and options to help those running them deal with the bad sports. Despite many users making helpful suggestions on how to improve the community and the site features, nothing gets done. Official responses tend to be along the lines of 'thanks for your suggestion' (ie, we'll do nothing) or 'it's within the rules' (ie, we'll do nothing).

Pixoto had one neat feature - the image dueling - but the outcomes of that are more suspect than they were in the past. Again, it's likely people are gaming the system here too.

I've still got images on here, but I rarely upload new ones - the whole experience is frustrating and pointless. The simple fact is that there are many other sites that, although flawed, are at least moving forward. Pixoto doesn't react, doesn't move. It's in a duel against faster gunslingers and that's only going to end one way.
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Just noticed that this thread seem to be the one with most replys lately.....a little hint? Dissatisfied users? :-)
I suspect Jasenka actually is a robot......her answers are veery similiar....
Well, I may be trolling a bit, but I think most of us would like to see some changes real fast, before we decide to leave Pixoto's sinking ship.......
As said before, a pity because of the duelling concept.
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I think you owe Jasenka an apology...She does not make Pixoto policy.

PS, Her profile page sure has some awesome photos for a robot!!!
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Maybe I do....my point is that the answers are very similiar on the majority of the questions. I'm not in position to question or critizise others work, and that was not my meaning. This thread has mostly been about how some of the users experience the downgrading of the site, which most users don't want(I think). The quality og photos on e.g. Flickr is in my opinion in another class, even if you also will find point & shoot family photos there. Pixoto does not, in my opinion, use their strongest asses, the duels, to their advance. Or, they loose their users because they don't have the resources or will to clean up the site good enough.
Pixoto could be more, but maybe we could turn this around and be happy for the contributors who maybe earn a few dollars on cheating because they live in countries where getting food on the table may be a result? After all jobs don't hang on trees everywhere..............
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R&M ...Good points, Sites like Flickr are in another class. And some others in a class above Flickr. I have pics on many other sites including National Geographic (of course none have been procured for their magazine yet) but those other sites sure aren't much fun. Pixoto is a form of online video game for photographers, I love to check out other folk's work so the duels make that interesting. And if you make a little money it's a bonus.
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Nice, Tim! I wish you the best of luck!
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I've also noticed that in the babies and children category, pictures of my five year old boy will lose to blurry pictures of babies pretty much every time. Or in animals, there are some who seem to vote based on which animal is "cuter." I would love to find a site like pixoto but where people vote based on the merits of an image. The image dueling is the best thing about pixoto, but also the worst because of the rampant cheating, but also just inconsistency.
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I agree, too many folks think the merit of an image is the choice of subject. I still think most of the top winning mages deserve their top spots once they make it past the voters with poor taste.
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Well 3 months ago I posted this topic about participation being down and I see it has continued to drop more and more and more. So disappointed because when I first started on here it was like an addiction for me...I saw someone mention...gaming for photographers and I have to agree. Now, I'm not sure how long I will continue here...or especially, with a pro account. Is pixoto planning on doing anything to try to get more participation?
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Hello Cheryl, I'll ask about this and let you know when I get reply.
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I love the reply...."I'll ask......" Cheryl, your answer lies in the people who have responded to your question, and not Pixoto's answer. It is down because people like me have quit submitting anything. When I see the same pictures week after week, month after month by the same person(s) I just loose all the feelings of fun. Competing against someone who flashes 16 pictures a night, regardless of quality, tell me it is time to move on to other sites that, at least, know when those same pictures have been shown for the 100th time in a row--then have an instrument in place to not allow them anymore. If you look in transportation it is only a handful of the same people who "compete" anymore. You can only take a picture of the same boat or train so may times before it gets old. Maybe others don't mind, but I do so I have chosen to move on. I look at it this way: I love mail. I love to read nice, personal mail. But when my post box is continually flooded with flyers, spam, and crap, I tend to not look forward to getting mail anymore. We have some absolutely astonishing photographers on this site....but their hard work is crowded out by those who keep flooding the categories with junk. I no longer vote anymore because of all the junk I see before I get to see really good stuff. Just my two-cents, but obviously from the last reply no one at Pixoto has been taking this seriously. from the get-go.
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I haven't submitted a shot in ages, I vote in odd moments, I used to be keen but the cheating just wore me away.Remove the cash prizes, those are the incentive to cheat for some.
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I think it's interesting that my recent images do well in competitions, but fail to get decent scores in duels. One of my images was #2 in a recent children contest and in the top 10% for one of the recent pixoto sponsored competitions, lifestyle portraits, but it has failed to even reach 500.
i don't participate in this site or others for rewards. I think it's fun to compete, and also informative - or at least should be. This is why participation is down. The system is broken and it's not as fun.
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Actually, looking at the contest I was #2 in, I see now that not many people participated, so it's not that impressive. But my point still stands, as that is not the case for the pixoto contest.
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Hi Jack, please report images using report button. I will report very similar images you provided here.
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But why can't it ever go beyond removing images to harsher consequences? Repeat offenders should be banned.
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Felica, I believe after looking at all the data provided by others that if they were removed or limited to say two pictures a day, the true story would come out. I know in certain categories you would only see 10 or 12 pictures for the day--not those pumped up by the people who submit 15 or 20 at a time of the same thing over and over. That, in turn, would give the impression this site does very little to promote any type of serious photography skills. When a category looks like it has 150 entries for the day, and despite it might be only by 7 or 8 people, it looks robust. Hence it is taken as a legitimate competition. But if you whittle it down to the true number of people who are 'manipulating' this way, the curtain is removed and the truth is shown. It's a great idea (Pixoto) but terribly managed.

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