Distinguish between professional & amateur

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Allow members to categorize themselves or their work as professional or amateur. Structure competitions within pro & amateur categories.
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Ken Danieli

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Posted 8 years ago

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Hey Ken,

This is something we talked about quite a bit when we were first starting. We ultimately decided not to go this route as the amateur category probably wouldn't contain the best images. Our goal is help people discover the BEST images from around the world. The easiest way for us to do this is to compare them all against each other.

What problem are you trying to solve with this suggestion?

Thanks!

Justin
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Ken Danieli

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You could view having the distinction as driving more of the best photos...the best pro and best amateur.

The goal would be to encourage even more amateurs to participate and to possibly create distinctions within Image categories as well. In many cases, the objective of a professional photo, for example if it were shot as part of a professional project, is different than that of an amateur one. Even in week 1 of the alpha I mostly saw images that indicated to me that the quality territory was far out of my realm.

More generally, it's to get more amateur participation - because amateurs might feel they stand more of a chance of their work being seen and evaluated in a framework that's relevant to them.
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We will leave this idea up as Under Consideration and see how the community votes on it.

As for giving amateurs a better chance of competing, we will be adding geography to the filters at some point in the not so distant future. If I am not able to compete for the best image in Wildlife & Nature in the World, I might still have a shot at best in Raleigh, NC or Dublin, Ireland.
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Ken Danieli

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right on
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Tom Gwinn

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amateur or pro doesnt matter to me.....everyone here has a camera and on any given day the image you capture could be the best of your life. no need to distinguish between the two.
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Michelle Meenawong

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I agree, amateur or pro doesn't matter. I'm not a pro but really enjoy photography since I was 5-6 years old (my dad passed me the virus). Let everybody enjoy the site. It's also a great source of inspiration and a challenge to duel against real very good pros. It is very motivating for everybody who wants to increase their skills. Keep shooting and enjoy
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VESNA s. DISIC

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mister Gwinn is in right..as wee all know many today "proof" are so hardly bad that is good to see how they will beahave if some amatur won....i am for eqaull approach..all need to beahave as proof when yhey use camera..as person which particulary live and from journalst photography...i can suggest to cEOS to not separate photos...in people which are not hardly IN INDUSTRY is some times more ideas than in these high proffessionals which works we see in all same magazines fro over the globe....etc
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Tanya Meiners

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I agree with Tom...a good photograph is a good photograph, whether taken by a professional or an amateur! I love having my photos compete against the 'professionals' =) Shows me were I can improve my skills.
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I was trying to find an established topic that dealt with one of my concerns. First, let me preface my remarks with this observation: Pixoto is quite intriguing and I applaud all those involved in its creation! I especially like the responsiveness of the creators and their willingness to take ideas under consideration.

The "amateur/pro" thing is always a dilemma: one shouldn't pre-judge an image because it was taken by an "amateur" or assume an image is automatically good because it was taken by a "pro." So, I don't want to know, or care who created an image, but I am a bit interested in whom is judging MY image!

I like to play "detective" and trace an image that has won over mine. What has it lost to, what has it beat out. What I have discovered, and this is admittedly anecdotal, is that there really isn't much consistancy. An example:

An image (not mine) that I particularly liked (sharp as a tack, well composed, spot on exposure, well executed) lost to a...to be most generous...a snapshot of a similar subject, but was obviously out of focus, void of any type of composition, and just poorly executed. How that happens, I don't know, unless someone is judging their own image or they have "ringers" judging the duels!

I agree with what mr Gwinn said regarding anyone can generate that one "wow" shot, but that person should be able to understand why and what makes it a great photograph. So that's my concern: images being judged by folks without a clue as to what makes a striking image....unless it's "pretty" or "how colorful it is!."

So, to sum up my rather verbose ranting: I'd be more interested in knowing the skill/experience level of the one viewing my images than the skill/experience level of the creator of an image.
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Hey Ron!

You have presented an interesting idea regarding the merit of ImageDuel voters. First, any Pixoto member can vote through ImageDuel and that will never change. The idea is to allow the greater community decide which images are best. No one member has the ability to choose winners.

One problem we have been working hard to solve is the desire of players to influence their own ability to win though their own votes or those of people they know. Fortunately, we have made significant progress in this area.

In addition to providing interesting information and context around the votes on your own images, your idea would provide a strong deterrent to users obviously voting dubiously as this would be evident to the community.

We are planning to add some new features around ImageDuel history and I will be sure the team looks at adding this too!

Thanks!
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Archit Sureka

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I think this is not a great idea. Because the fun of this website and i suppose the aim is to get unbiased views and also if you categorise photographers like this, the morale of beginners or amateurs may come down ! just a view point guys !
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I agree to leave it mixed pro/am. Who wants to be the best of the worst? And if my images lose to better ones, I study the better ones, and I hope over time to become a better photographer. I would like to see the good, bad and ugly all lumped together. It's a great site!
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Please leave as it is. Many other sites started to differentiate the amateurs and pros out, then they became social sites. We appreciate the un-biased qualities that pixoto has, and has had. Thank you!
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d c

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Jason I believe you have already address this issue with the novice only addition.simplify your categories or expand them as you previously had proposed to do. With that being said, the issue Ron has mention is different. and can I believe only be solved by human intervention. for example I can take 50 college kids with 50 unique accounts and influence dramatically the results. and can do this simple by giving them a class project.(incentive) so human intervention should balance the play.(finally say)Then after the contest is over make available this info so we can see how our images are balanced against others and with whom, so we can improve by an honest comparison.
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It's fine the way it is, mixed. Categorizing yours or someone else's skill takes away the motivation and incentive to do better, besides there is a certain 'feel good' sensation when your amateur photo stands strong against some of the seasoned pro shots.

That's what makes this website so popular, real-time critique from and against the best! It's like having a pro guiding you and critiquing as you go, if one shot doesn't do so well you try something else and you start to find your formula.

The system works well mixed because If your a pro people get to follow you and enjoy your photos, if your an amateur you get to see how you compare against those pros and watch yourself grow statistically as your shots get more votes and possibly trump some pro shots, it's a goal to work too.

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