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I just wanted to say how disappointed and let down I feel by some of the top photogs on this site. Even though they have top positions and awards out the wazzu they have been uploading duplicate and very similar photos more and more. Maybe the old creative well is drying up. You can only take so many shots of the same subject matter without this happening. This is a flaw in the pixoto system. You can only take so many different photos of the same dogs or cats or bugs or children. I am not looking forward to how things are going to be 6 months down the road. The lure of recognition is turning the great ones into just another photographer trying to get kudos for there work. I am hoping that the photographers that are doing this will do the right thing to be fair to the rest of us.
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I have to agree with your sentiments here, Andrew, especially in the realm of macro insect shots. Unlike dogs, cats or children, there are no definable expressions or emotions on bugs. Add some water droplets, take an occasional side view and change the bg color, and that's it. After seeing 40 or 50 shots that are almost identical nature, it becomes a yawn fest. Most of these type of shots come in overnight in the U.S., while other parts of the world are voting. And they keep voting and voting for these same togs images. Like they have a well oiled machine in place. As I said in my post about creating a singular category for extreme macros, I admire the quality of the shot, but not the imagination or versatility of the tog that keeps flooding the contest with virtually the same kind of shot, week after week. It becomes boring and uninspiring.
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Andrew and Trey, I agree with both of your points of view - there are more than enough bugs with water droplets, blurry Instagrams and 'snapshots' which are out of focus, artfully crooked or blatantly duplicated.

How best to fix this, though? We can choose to NOT vote for the offensive items - without the votes the images won't make their way up the ladder. (I cheerfully labelled this 'Darwinian' selection process a couple of months ago).

We can continue to air our views in this forum (although how many people can find these threads?)

We can take more, better shots and load them regularly.

We can keep peppering the management with ideas. And trying to chase them up for answers.

I have wondered whether there could be a negative vote ("-1") and "0" for skipped images as well as the standard "+1". There are many cases where I see similar images which need to be skipped (or commented) - are they in any way penalised behind the scenes?
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I agree as well. I found that the way the system is set up it not only encourages uploading hundreds of duplicate and near-duplicate images, but overall it doesn't really promote people to become better photographers. It really just encourages people to find out what types of images do well (based on votes that may not even be coming from people qualified to judge what makes a "better" photo), and then upload a metric crap-ton of them.

There's no meaningful dialogue between photographers or relevant criticism being exchanged. The drive seems not to be focused on uploading qualitatively better images, but instead to accrue as many points as possible, in whatever way possible just so you can stick a digital feather in your cap. If that means uploading 50 images of the same exact thing, then so be it. Personally, I find that counter-productive in terms of artistic growth.

I've only been a member for a few months, but I discovered that participating in the community was really driving me to create work (or many times edit existing work) to appeal more towards what I've discovered the Pixoto community likes ... which generally tends to be imagery of the more kitschy variety. I was creating work that I didn't really like, but knew was more sellable to Pixoto users.

For example: I did an experiment not too long ago where I uploaded a b&w image and then later uploaded the same image but with fake "sunset" colors painted over it. Sadly, the faked image did tremendously well (#2 for the day) and the b&w image did terribly (didn't even make 20%). That was kind of the final nail in coffin for me.

Ultimately, I've decided to take a break from the Pixoto community. I do believe the site's owners have honorable intentions for the community and have a passion for photography, but unfortunately the way its users are using the system leaves much to be desired.
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I also feel that there needs to be some sort of limit on the number of uploads. If I upload 50 images a day - particularly if these are very similar to images that have previously done well, I am bound to get some success - weather for my own ego, or financially from the awards.

I know that Pixoto does not want to impose daily limits, but what if your first 5 (or whatever number) images uploaded in a day cost you 10 points, but the exponentially they began to cost more, so image 6 was 15 points, 7 was 20, 8 was 30, 9 was 40, and so forth. This means that Pixoto does not loose out on the votes, and it becomes a serious deterrent to mass uploading.

To take this a step further, you could do it by category - say 2 per day @ 10 points, and then increase the points after that.
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Well said, Brandon. I know when I've won the day or the week I immediately see numerous similar shots appearing in the ensuing days. This is human nature...appealing to the world-wide voters by entering subjects they seem to like and for which they will vote. Unfortunately, race and culture rear their ugly head in voting, whether people want to admit to it or not. Pixoto staff says their algos can find bogus voters but they can't control bias. This is not the fault of Pixoto. Again, it's just human nature and I don't see any fix for it. For me, I try to enter the shots I love the most...the shots I think are quality images that hopefully will speak to the voter when it comes up in a duel. I have had images that have gone 1-8 in duels, resubmitted and scored over 700. Unfortunately, timing is everything. Quality, at times, seems to be secondary.
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I tried my first foray into the wedding category this week, with a couple of candid shots that I felt complemented the official photographer's shots.

I have found this to be the most cut-throat category to date; one of my shots was #2 for the day when I went to bed, but didn't even make an award after a string of consecutive defeats to what I consider mundane, posed, typical wedding photographs.

But then I guess that is what the voting public must like about the wedding category...

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