Create a separate category for HDR

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HDR is kind of divisive - some people like it while others really abhor it. Regardless of how you feel about HDR, I think it might be nice to have a separate category exclusively for HDR or tone mapped images (maybe under photoshop art?) so that they could duel amongst themselves and not against more "traditional" captures.

Related to the above, it might also be nice to have some kind of preferences for the types of images you see in duels. Perhaps a way to exclude or limit images from a few particular [sub] categories? For example, personally, I'm not really interested in photoshop art and would just assume not vote on those one way or the other.

Keep up the good work!
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I like the idea about separate HDR category, but I don't think it would be easy to implement. It means Pixoto would have to make all these categories that exist now just under HDR.They might as well make WWW.PIXOTOHDR.COM :-)

Also sometimes its not so easy to distinguish between ordinary photo and HDR photo. At the end, great image is great image regardless of the technique used. We might argue that black and white should be under separate banner as well. There is no end...
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Just because people do not know how to take fantastic pictures with the right color tone does not mean that those who use HDR are at an advantage..
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I agree with the idea of creating a separate category for HDR as well as for any heavily processed images. I'm not sure that all categories would need to be repeated- Image processing is an art form of it's own. And, personally, I would rather vote on the basis of quality of processing than compare a traditional image with a heavily processed image and try to choose the "better" photo.
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Just because people do not know how to take fantastic pictures with the right color tone does not mean that those who use HDR are at an advantage.
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I agree with the separate HDR section, Putting a standard image against the tonal range of HDR is not really a fair duel TBH.
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Just because people do not know how to take fantastic pictures with the right color tone does not mean that those who use HDR are at an advantage.
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Marc, Please we all sit here wating for you to step up to the plate and show us how to make an image with the right colour tone. I am sure we all know how to make an HDR image, the thing is some people have a good enough technique not to want their images to look like a plate of clown sick with a halo around it. I stand by my guns, HDR deserves it own place where like minded people can go and admire other images that look like technicolored vomit.
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Jim, agree with you about having a separate category for HDR

not quite sure you're taking into account that HDR treatment has a RANGE from subtle to 'technicolored vomit' [nice!!]
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Would prefer separate HDR section....
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I asked already as well but never got an answer!
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I think the HDR images can be included in the 'Photoshop art' category. They just shouldn't be in all the other categories, like 'Landscape'.
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YES! Excellent idea to separate HDR from other categories!! :)
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Agreed, count me in.. HDR belongs in it's own category....
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There is bad HDR, and Good HDR, just like any photograpgy.

If we need another category for HDR lets have another category for night photography, or shutter drag, or... any people who use filters..
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I also need to add, that "photoshop art" is meant for heavily manipulated images.. I have HDR images that you could NOT tell me that it is HDR when compared to a person using graduated filters...

I do not EVEN use photoshop on 50% of my HDR images.. its straight to ACR, then my photomatix, then back to ACR then saved to jpeg, Photoshop art is meant for compeltely created images.. added content, removed content..

If your doing HDR right, it looks fantastic. Stop judging HDR by the bad HDR
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Unfortunately bad HDR is more likely to get to the top than the good HDR, because it is brighter and glossier.
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I don't see why there should not be a different category going forward. As the technique is very different and gives a clear advantage to the HDR images. If someone is using Photomatrix, its as good as using Photoshop.. so why not!
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I do not agree. As I already stated in one of my posts, HDR is just one of the ways you can present your image. You can do it in a good way or bad way. Badly composed or blurry photograph is bad regardless of what type of technique is used.

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

If you open a new category for HDR only images, why not for black and white images only? Why not for images where wide angle lenses (or fish eye lenses) are used? Why not for images where you used different kinds of filters to your lens.
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'why not for black and white images only? Why not for images where wide angle lenses (or fish eye lenses) are used? Why not for images where you used different kinds of filters to your lens.'

because none of those have really been mentioned as qualifiers for NOT being a 'pure' image. :)

I do see your point and definitely agree with your comment about bad composition.

However, a well composed photo appeals to many as HDR because it pops out more. Most people will have their eyes caught by the HDR version of the same photo if treated well. [think 2 versions of the same sunset from the same spot at the same time by the same photographer lol]
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Hi AG! I know they have not been mentioned but actually I don't see how an image taken with e.g ultra wide lens with ND grad and Polarising filter attached can be consider "pure"? Furthermore, now with new digital cameras, HDR image comes straight out of the camera without any software manipulation just like black and white image and one is pure and the other one is not?

I sure agree that human eye will probably go for a nicely done HDR version of one photo rather then "pure" one, but its the same thing with image modifiers I mentioned in the beginning. If I take the same landscape photo just with standard 18 - 50m lens, and take the same photos with 10 -20 m lens, with few filters which one will attract more attention? Just like HDR images pop up because of greater tonal range, the other images pop up because eg. water looks miliky and smooth and the utlra wide angle of view gives the landscape completely different feel.

But honestly, this is the age old problem, when something new comes in, there are always people that bitch about it of not being "pure" or proper instead of embracing it as just one more way to express themselves. I am sure this same discussion was held when color film came to the stage and replaced black and white, when digital started pushing out film cameras, and when Photoshop or Lightroom replaced work in the photo lab.

Best regards from Australia!
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I think what Pixoto MIGHT be trying to convey by 'pure' is an 'untouched' photo, which in itself is an ambiguous term. You're absolutely right about the different lenses and differing results.

Personally I think it is the process of using the HDR software(s) that differentiates the two. People don't like change and are intimidated by leaps in technology and/or how it is used.

You mentioned in your first comment, 'sometimes its not so easy to distinguish between ordinary photo and HDR photo'. Spot on. THAT is the crux of the issue right there I believe.

And so I propose two categories:

[drum roll]

'Pure Untouched by external software' photos and 'OMG obvious HDR's'

Oh, one thing I would be hesitant to agree with; in-built HDR processing. Honestly, the majority of those are jokes compared to a well-processed HDR using external software.

So what do you think the next category is going to be? 'Lytro photography' or '3D photography'? More threads to come I suspect. lol

Take care now.
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I can't understand why HDR can't be a part of Photoshop Art. But of course it shouldn't compete in other categories. It would be just unfair.

By the way, I sometimes see the same image appearing in Photoshop art and then in other categories.
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I agree, if only because most of it is horrible and yet still seems to be popular!
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HDR needs to be in a separate category. Some HDR photos look good, but some of the photos look fake.
Have the HDR category just like the Novice category, some break out, but HDR should only compete with HDR. The images are stacked and ALTERED.
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hmmmmm, although I dont submit my HDR images here, one of my cameras has the capability to shoot HDR images without the need for post processing so by default not all HDR images are edited in the "stacked and altered" manor - for this reason alone, HDR isnt always photoshop art therefore needs its own category rather than being taken in by photoshop yes?
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Yes! Separate it and give more fair ground to compete to:

a) real and only slightly corrected photographs that will not have to "clash" with HDR
b) Photoshop art the same ability to compete on it's own ground and
c) HDR images the unique category and contest with each other.

Yes, many HDR images will miss daily / weekly / monthly awards, opening space to more genuine photographic or Photoshop artwork that will be promoted as it desires to be.

Combined with new rules against duplication and strict following the categorization, each category contest will soon get more challenging and interesting for many togs.
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I'm with you. HDR definitively needs his own category
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On the HDR topic....Now i do alot of HDR & i understand it always causes discussion.

Theres a few forms of HDR. Most commonly Painterly & grunge.

Theres should be a category for HDR. Split into 3 subcategories.

Painterly
Grunge
Exposure Fusion....the latter may cause problems though....as dishonesty may come into play where members just say its HDR when it isnt.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled make HDR section.

Make and HDR section as a standard photo is not going to compete with the tonal range of HDR
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR images should be in their own category.

HDR images are computer generated not much skill in involved in taking the photo.
don't get me wrong the look great but the should have a separate category
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Resentment toward HDR photography? Yer or No?.

In image duels I am really trying to vote for the better photograph regardless of the way the photograph is manipulated (normal, some post processing, black and white or HDR); I noticed (maybe I am wrong, i would like to hear your opinion) that people tend to vote against HDR photographs just because they are HDR and nothing else. Out of 140 photos I have only 10 or so that are HDR so I am not HDR nut or anything like that, but I really don't like losing to obviously sub par images just because a technique used in particular is HDR. It would be the same if we started voting down all portraits where retouching technique is used to enhance skin appearance, where Photoshop is used in any way (like coloring a different areas of photograph into more appealing colors, or where light effects are added to certain parts of the image to enhance its appearance). Is there anybody else that feels the same way? Maybe it is time for separate HDR category if most players cannot pass by their resentment towards HDR photos.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR Should have it's own category.

HDR images should be in their own category. As a photographer I work really hard to get it right from the camera and maintain that "pure" feeling.

When I look at the dual history, I find in one example I am losing to heavily photoshopped/HDR images that have stopped being a photograph and become digital art.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR with HDR ONLY!.

HDR Photos should NOT compete with those that aren't! That medium is abused, over used and is garrish most times. It can be beautiful if done well which most are not
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR - on its own.

I was wondering if you have considered making images enhanced with HDR a separate category?

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