Check out this account and tell me he is playing fair...Dragomir Taborin !!!!

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Brad Grove

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No EXIF Data
Very low resolution
90% of images are almost the same.

How is it possible that staff have not actioned this?
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JoAnn Palmer

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is there a link to the account?
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Terry Gower

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he certainly likes to post shots of sparrows and there could easily be duplicates but who has the time to look, they are all very similar.
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I did not see any glaring duplicates Brad, are you concerned due to the number of bird photos?
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Brad Grove

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Sherry Andreason... At no stage did I make mention of the word "duplicate". The rules very clearly state that images should not be "very similar".

I can understand a few similar images (I probably have a handful myself) but that is ridiculous.
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If you look very closely at these shots they are of the 2 or 3 same birds, he has taken a series of shot on continuous shoot and that is why they are so similar, like I said they of the same sparrows
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I agree with Brad. I had two pictures of the same lighthouse, and one was removed by administration. Different angles, and different lighting but they were considered similar by the powers that be. That's ok. I get tired of voting on similar shots and agree with the policy. But, I am so tired of seeing the same two dogs, playing with the same toys. There is also a gentlemen I wish I could remember his name, who won a photographer of the year, with various pictures of the same cement structure, and now this shining example of similarity. How about a little consistency? BTW, old men smoking and the throwing of fishing nets is becoming tiresome as well. Not a violation of policy, just had to get it off my chest.
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To me it seems like he is playing fair.
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C.Charles

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Submitting hundred of pictures of a sparrow or a cat or a Lily with some slight changes is the highlight of the for some and within the rules of Pixoto. For others they look like duplicates, is boring and shows a lack of imagination.
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Exactly they they just found a shot of a subject that works and so they milk it for everything it has just to get points and awards. Its definatley no imagination or creativity. These people need to expand there horizons and get out and shoot different things.

Really your no photographer of the year if you can only do you one thing well and use the same subject at that. It just says your a one trick pony.

It does amaze though that alot of these peoples shots are very good, you definately would think they are capable of more or you would at least hope so.
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I do not see low resolution and exif data can be lost if you save to web.
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Of course you're not going to see signs of low resolution (jaggies) on a 72 dpi screen.

Instead, have a look at the pixel dimensions displayed in the image specs section.

The point here is that images of such low resolution and no EXIF data don't really provide any confidence that the person in question actually created the image (using a camera) but may in fact have taken the image (screen grab) while surfing the Net.
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I am sure I am being thick here but do you mean original image size Brad ???
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I accidentally uploaded an image the other day which had my watermark on it. As soon as I became aware of this I removed the image and replaced with a non-water marked version. I received an email from staff 24 hours after I had already deleted the non-compliant image explaining to me that my image had been deleted by staff... WTF?

My point here being that I respect rules and I don't go out of my way to see how close I can come to the threshold. It seems that I am probably one of only a very few. It also seems that the staff here might benefit from actually reading the rules (which don't make mention of the word "duplicate").
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Hi Brad

I have done several image searches and i cannot find a match, a lot of togs do not submit EXIF data and reduce the size of the image they upload. Some places around the world may be restricted in terms of download size/cost.

The tog likes sparrows. I remember as a child there were thousands of sparrows in London now they have nearly all disappeared. Now i know where !!!
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I think your sparrows have moved here to Wiltshire :) we have loads and they are great flyers - its like watching the Red Arrows.
I wish I could get shots of them but they are way too fast for me .
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we have tons of sparrows also...and I have just been working on a place to sit to be able to get some decent shots.. it is getting colder out and time to start filling up the bird feeders.. right now sparrows dominate.. but soon we will have a good assortment.. but till then..it will be sparrows in my view finder...lol
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I think what you are all telling me is that I am being a bit hard on this guy and that the rules are far more flexible than I would have thought. Maybe you have swayed me a little.

Maybe I am just a grumpy old man... LOL!
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Greetings to all
I accidentally discovered this forum
I love sparrows
I do that all the photos I can post 50 photos a day
but choose only the best
Neither one of the photos is not the same
On the web, there are very few photos of sparrows in the air ove photos are my contribution
Someone all the sparrows seem to be the same
I have everything I could distinguish im given names
for example, children and parents are watching what's growing
I did not know that someone did not bother to EXIF
from now on give the exif
If anyone is interested in my photos to visit the link
http://galerija.foto-narava.com/thumb...
http://www.foto-arena.net/index.php?s...
Greetings to all
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Well said Dragomir. I personally really enjoyed looking at your portfolio.
Some members here specialise in certain subjects. Why not?. hey.

They are fascinating birds.....and when you can capture them in such grace & detail...i dont blame you one single bit for posting soo many.

Ive looked at many portfolios here....some post numerous photos of the same subject. Does that mean these photos are good or interesting?...Of course not.

The reason i took up Photography...is because i absolutely love getting out there with my camera...i capture a wide range of subjects. I love sharing them.
Not for prizes, accolades, or anything else...One reason.......I love to share.
It makes me smile knowing someone is viewing my photo. If they like it.....Big Bonues...if they dont...Well tough luck hey....Everything in life is subjective... I still enjoyed taking that photo though. Which is what matters most.

Sometimes in life the competative nature of man takes over. Ruins things..gets peoples backs up..becomes unfair. Causes problems. Why?.....Who knows.

Anyway....im a clown & need to go see my friend Mr Tetrahybo now. Nice speaking to you.

Guys...dont forget why we all go into photography or art....its relaxing & can provides many smiles.
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Dragomir Taborin

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Thanks Don Alexander I'm glad you like my photos sparrows. Believe me that sparrows are not just ordinary birds, but they are exceptional. I will continue to try to do the utmost quality photos with the aim to make people more aware of these remarkable birds.
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there are many types of sparrows too and some are endangered here in the uk. You keep taking those amazing shots Dragomir and I for one will enjoy every one of them.
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Hey grumpy old man lol.... Brad....

about the EXIF..some of the free photo editing programs on line.. do not display the EXIF info.......so if you use them your photo is not going to have EXIF info on it..and if you cruise thru pixoto much you will see that some people only photograph certain things...flowers, water lilies, childrens faces etc.... sometimes we have to shoot what is there for us to shoot.. I shoot almost exclusively in my yard or in a small area around the yard... so repetition of type of photo is almost inevitable...

and some of pixoto rules seem to bend and sway a bit... but it is still a cool place to visit and post your photos at...
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And remember....if folks are here because they want to sell their photos, I'm sure they don't really care if a few other folks think they're repetitive or not :-)

(I do mean "a few" seriously, btw.....I believe Pixoto has thousands and thousands of registered users yet only a couple dozen people ever regularly post here in the forums.)
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There should be a category for people who specialize in one thing.There are many on here that do that send up tons of the same subject in very similar poses and setting. That rule should just be erased its not enforced and who know what the admins consider similar?

I personally think that these people see that once 1 photo does well so they just keep doing that over and over and it continuously does well. Blame that on voters who don't care I guess.

These type of photographers just care about raking up points and awards. No artistic integrity or diversity. The way this sight works now it rewards people like that it's not really fair. But when something is not enforced and the rules are vague what can you do?
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If you look very closely at these shots they are of the 2 or 3 same birds, he has taken a series of shot on continuous shoot and that is why they are so similar, like I said they of the same sparrows
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The following text is taken directly from the "weekly contest rules" at...

http://www.pixoto.com/photography-com...

"NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: You may submit an unlimited number of images but each one must be significantly different from the others. This means only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed (e.g. either b/w or color - not both). You may however delete an image and resubmit it at any time. If reported, and we agree that the images are not distinct enough, the newer image will be deleted. This is critical for keeping the Pixoto community vibrant, exciting and fun (note - this rule effective 6/1/2012). more examples."

This is why I got so cheesed off :(
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Your right on man, they don't enforce the rule by there own wording and its plain as day right there what you just quoted. Either go by your rules or toss that rule out completely and don't be wishy washy and beat arounf the bush about like they do.

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