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Last night most of these images were in the category "Nature Up Close - Other Plants." Today, all images are resubmitted in the same category: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Images follow by imagescore and place:
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Because, flower is flower whether it is "other plants"(explanation by Pixoto employee) or flower itself, why is possible that someone could have images there where is place for "other plants."
Thank you for answer!
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I am curious how this one even gets uploaded at this size? http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Hello Joyce, users can upload smaller resolution photos uploading through Instagram and Facebook.
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No Exif details I would put that on the suspect list
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I fail to see why there is a 'rule' such as size of image if there is such a glaring open back door!! What is the point?
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Hello Masica, thank you for reporting. Unfortunately not all users read category description page. I will forward to report team.
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Hello Jasenka Lukša!

A clear description of the categories required
Crown of Flowers - This Is Really Flower Of "Other Plants"
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...,
but this is “Crown of Seeds” of “other plants” like dandelion (head with seeds) which belong to “Nature Up Close” – “Other Plants.”
I am speaking now about my highly positioned image (4th place at leading board last night with image score of 600 points about). Image "Crown of Seeds" has lost points and was submitted today in the Flowers – Wild Flowers.
Because, problems appear a day by day, I’ll show you quote from e-mail by Jasenka Lukša, employee at Pixoto. She wrote me.
“Regarding second photo
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
The subject is wet flower with water drops and by category description which can be seen on this page: http://blog.pixoto.com/category-descr...
Please see part of description:
“Nature Up Close – Photos of plants, trees and other natural objects. Waterdrops on natural object or plant parts also belong here if the subject is waterdrop rather then object it is on. Natural objects modified from their natural form belong in Artistic objects category. Don’t put landscapes or flowers here! If it’s not a close up chances are it belongs in landscapes. Subcategories: Mushrooms & Fungi, Trees & Bushes, Sand, Rock & Stone, Water, Leaves & Grasses, Gardens & Produce, Webs, Hives & Nests, Other plants, Other natural objects, Natural Waterdrops” (Quote finished!)

There is very interesting example applied to my awarded photos here. Dandelion – medical plant (as many others from category “Other plants”). Let’s see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taraxacum
Dandelion has a flower in golden yellow, and head with white seeds which make some kind of ball. Flower of dandelion, owing to mentioned classification, belong to category Flowers although it will be logical that belong to “Nature Up close” -"Other plants" - because is other plants (medical for example).
My photo was highly awarded in category “Other plants”, but several months after had been awarded , Photo was re categorized to Flower – Single Flower: http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

What, really, means subcategory “Other plants”? What does it mean subcategory Garden Flowers if you can see in it. Wild Flowers? Something is wrong in the category description and it would be helpful to change. Very often you can see that the same flower belongs once in one category , other in the second, or the same flower in two sub categories That is confusing for players, so as duplicates and repetitive images. This procedure is not good nor for players, nor for employees. Objectivity is needed for everyone, fair play and common wish of all us to have respectable gallery.

What is possible to improve?!

Thank you!
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Hello Masica, photo of flower, regardless of what plant it is of, belong in Flower category.

Subcategories are for organizational purpose and all photos duel within one category regardless of subcategories.

Other plants subcategory is as example but not limited to mosses, cacti, succulents etc. and seedpods and/or seeds can also be placed there, but definitely not flowers, since flowers have their own category.

Garden flowers subcategory is for flowers in the garden while Wild flowers category is for flowers found in wild (like meadow flowers). Again, since all photos duel across subcategories within one category it is not imperative to place photo in correct subcategory.

I hope this helps.
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Hello Jasenka!

Thank you.

This is not helpful because there are exceptions.
Let's see:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
That is flower of the plant which follows:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

What is this?! Is this image really belongs here?! This image presents seeds belonged to "Nature Up Close - Other Plants". It was so categorized last year. Could you see difference among these two images of only one, the same plant from field?! How is possible that people continuosly make the same mistakes?!

I have thoroughly studied the descriptions of the categories and I excellent know where image belongs. I do not understand why people in Pixote who decide to re categorizing photos do not know enough about categories.

It will be better for all of us to escape from "bad frames", to describe category precisely and not playing "little on the table, little under the table".

I hope you will do all to cut mistakes like this, not one!I hope this will be last one!

Please, answer!
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Hello Masica, you are correct about the photo of wild carrot seeds. It was not posted on your last post so I wasn't aware of it.
Report team member that recategorized it confused it with wild carrot flower bud.
I'm sorry, the photo of wild carrot seeds should not have been recategorized. I will let report team member know that they are seeds and not bud. We have changed category back to Nature up close and we have added 1000 credits to your account. Please accept my apology.
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Hello Jasenka!

Thanks a lot for your answer.

I accept your apology in hope that this will be last re categorization of my leading photos.
I regard that report team have to observe more images which are not unique, with no Info/Exif information, which appeared as "image in mirror", the first as part of the same image, than as whole image...no date when photo is taken, no ISO, etc. It seems as foggy to eyes of the people who easy observe wrong and right. We like to win the best, aren't you?!

I hope this helps report team!!!
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Masica, if you see photos that are duplicate or very similar, please report them either using report button, e-mailing to report@pixoto.com or you can post the links here and I will forward to report team. Thank you.
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Hello Jasenka!

It seems that the Report team have to consists people with not average IQ, but with high IQ to easy observe when someone reported about that problems...otherwise, it is "dust in wind"...the advantage is on the side of player who submitted images on the way "images in mirror", repetitive images edited by Photoshop with small changes, etc.,etc.... other player who play honestly becomes "black sheep" for all.
Hope to be better tomorrow! :-)
Thank you!
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Hi Jasenka Lukša!

To which category these photos belong?!

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... (apple tree and fruit)
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... (sunflower)
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... (purple flower)
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Last week:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... (lavander with insect)
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra..., etc, etc.

Thanks to this, your quotation, please review these links. Can you see any plant that can be classified in the sub category "Other Plants"? What seems to me that a lot of photos that do not belong to the category "Nature Up Close" but the general "Other".
Furthermore, as much as it is a category "Nature Up Close - Other Plants" because the flower is a flower regardless of which plant (cultivated, wild, decorative bush or tree) that is, according to your statements, beyond these general categories and subcategories.
I have thoroughly studied the once explained to me by the categories and all correspondence with you. It's not right to allow one player and that remains within the leaderboard photos which in no way belongs to neither category or subcategories. Even, it does not matter in which place! I understand that people can get confused and that the distinction is sometimes difficult, but what is true for one player must be valid for all. I think that you and your colleagues this can help, and so are the players that the time should be warned that they are mistaken.
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Hello Masica, from your list some photos belong in Nature up close, some in Flowers, some in Abstract and some in Digital art. I have asked report team to go through category and recategorize as needed.

Report team will recategorize if the photos are reported so please do report any image that is in incorrect category. You can do it during voting by clicking on Report button, or when viewing image detail page, also using Report button.
When photo is recategorized we will send out e-mail notification so user is alerted the photo was in incorrect category.

I hope this helps.
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Hello Jasenka,

1. Report Button is not interesting for Report team... you need click several times and nothing has happened;
2. I would like to know which sort of other plant are on these links:
- http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... ;
- http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... ;
- http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... etc, etc. - no title, no decription, but Report team didn' reacted when it is clearly that " something" is out of category. There are category :Uncategorized .. for example. Some photos they sent there...why not?
There are many similar links among photos of last weeks... I haven't time to work job who have to do someone other...I am not employee of Pixoto team...but if I can help,for better of all, I'll do it.

What saddens me is that there are double rules. Some apply only to individual players, mainly when leading photo is in question, while the other groups of players do not apply ... no consistency in enforcing rules and it's a big problem if it is to this gallery "sail under full sail."

Your kindness answer can't help me ( The problem here has a principled character!), but I hope that all I wrote yesterday and now can help respectability of Pixoto gallery.
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Report team target time for acting on reports is 24 to 48 hours. Report team is working on Nature up close category for recategorization of miscategorized photos.

Uncategorized category is not moderated for very similar images.

Please see category description page: http://blog.pixoto.com/category-descr...
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Hello Jasenka Luksa!

Category changed in a moment when image has more than 558 points!

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Is this right action of Report team?! No, because there were and are so many images belonged to other category in Nature Up Close. Let see leaderboard, please! Here, on this my image you can see several natural objects in the front and back. Please, apply the same rules to all players, not only on Marija Jilek!

I studied description you mentioned. Description of categories is very flexible and not clear. Therefore, players can't find where to post theirs images. Let do something better in explanation, not only punishing people who want to help you and to help thyself and other players, too.

Yo can find my image above in the treasure of Pixoto.com hard discs now. It's high time to start doing better in the interest of the gallery! I want to believe to try so!

Hope this will help gallery and players - those to players who worked kind and useful!
Thank you for your great effort !!!

P.S. Report team don't work . They didn't react , not beetwen 24 - 48 hours, but for a weeks. And...it would be very useful to see all posts of the players here ... deleting is not useful! I am not alone in expression my attitudes... you know! Hope, you understand very well, too!
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Hello Masica, I'm sorry but your image was in incorrect category since you have submited it in Nature up close category. It was reported and report team member recategorized it to Animal category, since subject on your photo are clearly butterfly and spider. If you see image in incorrect category please report it either using report buutton or you can post links to the images here and I will forward them to report team.
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Hello Jasenka Luksa!

1. Report button does not functioning per weeks (or for some yes, for some no :-)!!!
2. Please, apply the same rules for all players.Let's see these links - all from Nature Up close (last week and this week...)

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
this week:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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If butterfly or bee are other natural objects, ladybug also belongs to that groups---logically is so, isn't it

3. Category for two my photo was change again, tonight. Let it be, as someone has explanation. But I must ask for EXPLANATION!!! What does mean - Other natural objects - which object belonged to some, which to OTHER. Something is wrong in the categorical procedure.

In expecting answer, thank you!
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No answer! Mrs. Jasenka Luksa Vujasic has no time to write!
Congratulations Jasenka in a new role!
Kindest regards!

P.S. But, I stil expect EXPLANATION, mentioned above!
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Hello Masica, I'm really sorry about delay, I had week off.

Thank you :)

I will forward links to report team to be handled.

Other natural object subcategory is for natural objects that are in natural environment.
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Hello Jasenka!

Thanks for answer, but EXPLANATION is not completed. How is possible that one butterfly is in other natural objects, second time not, birds too, many insects, too, (ladybug, bee, etc., etc) too... as I can see is: rules (description as it was at our site) are not applied on the same way to all players - "But some are more equal than others." It is necessary to do better explanations - to do on the same way to all. Above sentence means nothing. All about us what fly in the air, water itself, live in the sea rivers, lakes, streams, grow up at the the meadows, forests, gardens... (even I sow moon very often?!) are in natural environment.
I still expect EXPLANATION? You have enough links to see about what I asked?!
Have a nice day.
Thank you for next (completed) answer!
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Masica, animals are not objects, and if animal is subject then it belong in animal category. Moon belong in Landscape category. Please report images that are in incorrect category. If images in incorrect category are not reported report team will not be aware there are images that need recategorization.
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Hello Jasenka Lukša Vujasić!

Please, let me aswer in which category these images belonged:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
http://www.pixoto.com/charlie777#5125...
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
It is obviously that Landscape is in the question and that is exception in category "Nature Up Close."
It will be nice to apply the same criteria for all contributors, isn't it?
Have you a nice day!
Thank you for answer!
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Hello Masica, I will ask for clarification about this and let you know when I get reply.
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Hello Masica, the image with single tree (2. link) should have been recategorized to Nature up close, while image with 2 trees (1. link) can stay in Landscape category, but neither should be moved because they were submitted over 6 months ago.

The image with single tree you linked as leading on day 01-10-2014 in Nature up close category is correct to stay in Nature up close category.

I hope this helps.
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Hello Jasenka!

Thanks for answer, but it not helps!

What is the difference between a tree against the same background and two trees with the same background. It seems that when it comes to some authors that it is possible for them to apply other rules which subjectively brings employee of pixote Report Team.
I repeat, one of the subcategory should be excluded because the "Nature Up Close" appears as "Trees & Bushes", and "landscape" even in two subcategories - Forest, and Sunsets /Sunrises. Description of categories is very questionable. It is necessary to thoroughly describe a category that contributors know where to direct your photo!
Answer, please!
Thank you!
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Masica, I will ask about this and let you know when I get reply.
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There are obviously many landscape photos in the Nature Closeup categories. And some are digital/landscape. I understand that if its not a closeup, it should not be in this category. If non-closeups are permitted, how then is it different from Landscape? I clicked the report many times but still no results. I'm wondering if I'm interpreting it wrong?
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Hello Shooting, category is Nature Up Close, not Nature Closeup.

I hope this helps.
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Jasenka,

Why then state in the category description, "If it’s not a close up chances are it belongs in landscapes.".

And by your answer you're being smug about this. Just to tell you I'm not pulling anything from my ass.
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And what are "Up Close" about shots like these:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

This which I think belongs to Digital:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

What's so natural about a chair and not Up Close or Close up:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

This is my last post regarding this since I feel I'm just wasting my time.
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I will ask about these images and let you know when I get reply.
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You are right...there are many. But, I don't know are report team educated to do job or they apply criteria of categorization only to some players, like me :-) last year when I lost a great number of awards and points...and it is not all...if someone is equally good as other who is favorite of someone there will be stopping duels on a different way to distract the first person. It is not good, not fair, not kind! We are here to show what we do the best, to be good colleagues and friends, to be on the small art Olympics of photos gathered from around the world. Who is the best let the whales gold "medal".
Wishing you a wonderful day!
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Hello Jasenka!

It seems that Landscapes - Sunsets/Sunrises became new subcategory in "Nature Up Close! Let's see this:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
It seems that it would be necessary terminate Landscapes - Sunsets / Sunrises (especially) or in category "Nature Up Close" - subcategory: Trees & Bushes.
Hope, you will act promptly as and when they are some other photos in question.
Please answer!
Thank you!
Have a nice eve!
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Masica, I will ask for clarification about this image and let you know when I get reply.

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