Can the rules for member contests be made very clear again?

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With this example:
https://www.pixoto.com/contests/the-b...
I would suggest to make the rules for member contest once again very clear.
Some contests overlap for a large part he categories used by Pixoto
(like the one above). By finding a minimal gap in the categories descriptions the overlap is allowed by Pixoto. This doesn't make sense, when at the same time there are daily, weekly and monthly awards for the Pixoto categories.

Besides clear descriptions, please stop the contests that are overlapping so much the pixoto categories.
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and somehow my topic is duplicated as well ?? :-)
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Hello Ad, I will ask about this and let you know when I get a reply.
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She gets away with it by limiting it to flowers with no bees, butterflies, or other bugs on them. I disagree with allowing such contests. They draw thousands of entries and deplete the voting pool for daily duels. Also, they are so redundant. The same boring contests are run over and over again simply because they generate a lot of credits for the moderators with very little work since almost all entries will qualify.
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Hi Ad, I got clarification that contest is valid since it has more restrictions than our category/subcategory.
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Hi Jasenka.
Actually I asked to clarify the rules again and not just for judging an individual contest.
I don't know why, but you didn't do that. Now I got the standard answer and not the thinking...

I had 2 reasons for this:
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First Pixoto never said that only identical contests are not allowed but only repeating the fact that "May not have a theme that mimics a Pixoto category or subcategory".
This is exactly why I asked about rule-clarification.
Mimic is not the same as being identical !
And please check rules and all responses in the community, this confirms the usage of the word "mimic" really from the moment that this rule was introduced.
Basically Pixoto choose this wording to avoid any overlap with their own contests (daily/weekly/monthly awards). These rules were followed very strictly by a contest manager of Pixoto those days.
These days you and others seem to interpret the rules in a way that give more space. Resulting in contests (like the example) that 100% fits in Pixoto's own categories. In this case Pixoto's category only doesn't excluded the visible bugs etc.
But stil this is not 100% identical but 100% mimic.
2)
Please Pixoto (so not you personally Jasenka) listen to your customers. Complaints about 95% overlapping categories are there often and are 1 of the causes of people leaving. Please go for quality (have a look at other platforms like 500px, youpic and/or gurushots or others and learn instead of ignore).
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Hi Ad, as per Jason's reply in previous thread:
"In order to be considered a Pixoto category/subcategory a challenge would have to have EXACTLY the same content. A contest that spans multiple categories or narrows a category/subcategory is allowed."

I hope this helps.
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I know Jasenka,
This thread is the one with the rules using "mimic"
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
So "mimic" was the intention!

And this thread is the one with the above remark of Jason.
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

But if you looking further after those initial weeks, yes I did my home work, the following are just a few examples of threads where the word "mimic" is used again (also by you):
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
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Hi Ad, yes we use the word "mimic" since it is in rules, and Jason explained in that thread that "mimic" means exactly the same. Also, as he explained, if a contest narrows a category/subcategory (as this one is) then it is allowed.
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I give up Jasenka. See below.
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As per Jason's reply in previous thread:
"In order to be considered a Pixoto category/subcategory a challenge would have to have EXACTLY the same content. A contest that spans multiple categories or narrows a category/subcategory is allowed."

Since contest in question narrows category, it is allowed per our rules (and additional explanation of rules by Jason).
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I give up Jasenka.
There are dictionaries in the world that explain the meaning of "mimic".
Given your latest reply above, it seems Pixoto uses their own.
Let's agree to disagree, instead of having a semantic discussion.
I hope the underlying message is heard....

You can close this topic.
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Quit streching your patience Ad, it saves your nerves!!! ;-)
I gave up long time ago, is the best you can do, because it doesn't change anything!
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Thanks Renos. Really wondering if Scott can turn this around ... as the others at Pixoto seem to have given up.
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I agree that there is the same topics cropping up time and time again from the same 3 or 4 culprits, total lack of imagination in the subject matter
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I could go either way with this one. I will keep it open for discussion. Just because Pixoto has taken a particular stance in the past does not mean that it can not be changed in the future.

The pros and cons need to be fully evaluated. One pro is high user involvement.

In terms of taking away duels... Not sure how much of an impact a contest really has. The images are still acquiring duels which they would be acquiring if they were not in the contest. When a use submits an image, it costs credits. Credits require duels.

I suppose I will need to come up with some sort of interface where people can suggest policy changes and then we put it up for vote across the Pixoto user base.
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The main con of highly overlapping contest is that they 're pulling away a lot of votes from the standard duals. At the same time it's boaring since due to the overlap the number of duels that look like each other are enormous.
I think most of the people prefer much more different contests.
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Would it also be possible to finally get clear rules for how Pixoto sponsored contests are modified? Until now, in almost every single contest images go into the dueling stage BEFORE a proper modification is done, that is disqualification of images that are against the rules for the contest. If the contest goes into the voting stage on an inconvenient time for the moderator in the USA, then choose a convenient time for you to announce the contests. If the moderator then for some reason hasn't been able to disqualify all non-belonging images in time, then postpone the beginning of the dueling with a day or two. If this isn't possible technically today, then change the code so that it is. The current modification process is just not working. What happens now is that dueling starts including images that should have been disqualified. When these contest are built so that every image meets another image only once or at least very few times in the beginning, it's obvious that images that could have gone further miss their opportunity if they loose to images that don't belong in the contest. This I far from fair to all members that submit images that obey the rules.
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I agree that managing a contest is a major concern of a lot of people.
But to be honest that is a complete different subject as the one above.
Perhaps open a different thread?
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Thanks Ad for pointing out that Pixoto sponsored questions should be in another tread. I tried to remove it from here but that wasn't possible anymore. Anyhow I opened a new one.