Biased voting ?

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I just checked a duel history. I don't like to do it because it's always frustating but anyway:

This picture

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

just lost against this one

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Is this biased? Please tell me what you think
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Michelle Meenawong

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This one

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

won against this one

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

I don't pretend my pictures are good but this kind of voting is.. (sorry I don't find my words)
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You photos are def better, but you simply have to stop looking at duels that way.

I do check my duels all the time so I can learn from them and yes there is always some duels where my photo lost to another that is nowhere as good as mine, but I accept that as something that is going to happen no matter what.

As long as my photos have about 100 duels, three or four that I have lost against worse images will not change anything. Yes, if I won those too, my image would have for example 565 instead of 545, but it would still not receive award.

Even the best images in the category lost to some others that are not so good. Just keep up the good work you are doing and try to improve yourself as much as you can. All the best!
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Sasha, you're right, That's the reason I normally don't look at the duels. I did it the other day but each time I do, I'm frustated. Especially if I lose against a pic which is in the wrong category
Thanks for your support
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Same problem here: My image:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

lost against this:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

This is just wrong. How many people looking at the section of "animals" would recognize a nudibranch, and a rare sight at that? I just hope that instead of putting pictures in different sub-categories would NOT affect the ImageScore. After all, an extremely rare photo of a relatively unknown phenomenon would be more valuable than one that's just a pet having fun in one's backyard.
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Except we are not looking at the rarity of the subject, we are looking at the quality of the photo......so yours, even though its of a rare event, will lose to other photos.And I don't think thats a pet in the other photo, surely thats a wild creature?
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My biggest problem is with the duels pixoto matches us up against over and over. Check-out my newest problem called, "system is wrong and unfair".
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bye bye pixoto in a matter of days
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Terry, I don't mean to be impolite, but what I said DOES make sense. Imagine: category: "animals". A bloody cute kitten playing with a ball vs. a shot of a hummingbird sipping nectar from a flower. No matter of what quality the pictures were, I'd bet that more people would pick the cat over the hummingbird, as not many people would even recognise the hummingbird for what it is as compared to the cat. Well-studied fact: people gravitate toward familiar stimuli. So should familiar stimuli mean a better subject? As you said, we are looking at the quality of the photo, not the subject.

PS: my last part in the OP was an analogy, sorry if I misled you.
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I tend to agree with Wong. I think we need to remember this is not an art gallery. Even though there are some incredible photographers on this site the average person that votes would probably not take into account anything other than which one is prettier or cuter or more pleasing to the immediate eye. As someone else pointed out people will tend to vote for the one with the tightest crop, most vivid colors and the one they don't have to study. The average member will pick the one that pleases the eye rather than the mind. It is human nature for most people. That is why as wonderful as this site may be it will always be a popularity contest as well as having some of the best photos in the world. So having the best photo will not always win the dual. IMHO
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I think that what Pixoto members are voting on is not the quality of the photo, or the quality of the subject - but rather who much the entire package resonates with them. Does it make them feel something or doesn't it.

So the question here is what is the "best photo" and do that there is no true answer. The top photos on the site win only 50% of their duels against other similarly rated photos. What rises to the top on Pixoto are the photos that our members in aggregate like the most. Is that "best"? I don't know - but I sure love looking at the images on the top so we're doing something right...
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You're right Andrew. It's sad that it happens that way, but that's exactly how it usually happens. It makes you wonder how some people get 700 points with only 30-40 duels.
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Michelle, while I agree with a lot of what you have posted or commented on in these forums, I disagree with your disgruntlement regarding your comparisons.

Vs : both are black and white macro shots from what I can tell, however from the one which you say one the duel, at least I can tell what that is, plus I appreciate the detail of a well worn tool.

Vs : I'm not a big fan of Instagram photos on this site, but in this example, the instragram photo shows a sense of intrigue and excitement of going round an unseen corner, while the macro shot is just the tip of what looks like a blade of grass with a poorly formed drop of water on it.

Vs : I like the shallow depth of field and angle of this one, showing a dandelion clock in sharp(ish) focus, and a nice blur to the rest of the scene, versus a shot of some non-descript flowers with no particular focus.

It frustrates me too with some of the voting, especially today when I saw some of my carefully crafted dusk landscape pictures repeatedly beaten by the image of a rear shot of someone on horseback in an overly bright valley (is this REALLY a landscape shot?!) but sometimes I think you just have to take it on the chin and accept that: at that moment in time, the person voting preferred the subject or style of one photo over another. Either that or were just blindly clicking.

Feel free to browse through my pics and deliver a similar critique; that is what sites like this should be about. I don't need the money advertised on the weekly competitions; I don't need that warm fuzzy feeling when I make it into the top 5% for a day. However I DO want to learn and improve on my relatively new-found hobby, and peer review / critique is infinitely more valuable than 1:1 voting.

Thanks,

Mike :)

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