Best Photographers of the Year Awards schedule?

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Now that 2014 is here, will there be a schedule of Best Photographers Awards for each category being published anytime soon?
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No why hurry John? ........kidding
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Hi John, I will ask and reply here when I get the information.
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Are we going to use the same ridiculous method as last year ? only we ended up with a top tog missing out on an award whilst another tog who had one very good image and several reasonable ones getting in the top 20 !!

And no its not sour grapes ! Mind you i don't see the point of looking further than the existing method !! after all we rank images daily, weekly, monthly and ultimately yearly, points are awarded and we are ranked on a leader board,? then at the end of the year for some unknown treason the whole system is thrown out so 20 togs some of which are well deserved a place in the top 20 others may only enter a dozen images a year or have a lucky streak on one or two will be awarded top 20 for the year, !!!
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Do you have any suggestions as to another method of selection, Ralph?
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stick to the one we have ! why else have we been competing all year if not to end the year in the highest ranked place we can ?

To decide all that has no value because we are going to base the year on a togs ten best shots when in some cases they might have only entered that many is daft

let the Leader boards tell the tale of the year not ten lucky shots which in some cases it was last year, Definitely not in your case !
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when is this going to take place?
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Best Photographers Awards for each category will be next week, not sooner then January 10th. We will inform you about schedule before we start assigning awards.
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So am I right in assuming that yearly awards will be given out at the same time?
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And what criteria will be used to decide the best photographers of the YEAR ! there best 10 images or there years work ?

Example,,, Me...

I have been in the top 10 in animals most of the year and only dropped to 12 & 13th place recently, so based on my awarded entries for the year i am in the top 20 photographers but as i have not had 10 high 730+ scoring images i will not be in the top 20 photographers of the year !!

They are not the top togs of the year they are the top togs for there 10 images....IT IS NOT A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF A YEARS WORK !!

The Leader board is !!
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Hmmmm....
I guess another way of looking at it is that one could accumulate a LOT of points with lots of second or third place work or even top ten%, but never really be "the best"... They may be consistently above average, good enough to accumulate points, but not necessarily good enough to win consistently or have the highest scoring images. If you submitted lots and lots of pics, you might get lots and lots of points and climb your way up the ranks that way.
OTOH, as you mention, Ralph, someone could only submit a few exceptional images and end up on top, but they'd have to submit at least ten high scoring images, right?... That's almost one a month... I would think someone with ten exceptional images that have high scores might be deserving, maybe even more deserving than someone with 100 very good, but not exceptional, images.

Not sure there is a "right" answer here... but I would add that a lucky "shot in the dark" so to speak would not average out as a winner if the rest of the tog's work is subpar or even average...

I have no idea how the rankings are currently tabulated - For the life of me, I can't figure it out... Is it strictly based on this years awarded points?
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top photographer of the year should not count points at all- we don't want to reward those that cheated all year. Submitting a lot of images doesn't make a photographer good either.

What makes a top photographer is someone who has scored the highest, the most times, with completely unique images.

To me- only one of a winning composition should be counted. This would discourage over using a winning concept- like dropping colorful bell peppers and citrus into water. The person who won 2 months using very different images is a better photographer than the one who wins 8 months with very similar pictures. Its harder to come up with totally original ideas. Those that win by duplicating the composition of a winner is a copycat.

The best photographers are those who are able to think up compositions that have never been photographed before. And they are able to do it repeatedly. You can't fake true vision. Either photographers have it or they work hard to imitate it.

The photographer that only enters 10 images all year long- and all 10 are unique and winners- this isn't luck. This is a far better photographer than one who submits 3,000 high scoring images and has 30 wins- but they are all pretty similar or are copies of other photographers concepts.

Just my opinion
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Well in that case dont call it the "Best Photographer of the year"

and call it "The Best Photographs of the year" !!!!

Because you are not awarding the Togs Years work but his best 10 shots !!

As to the case of "repetitive images" the top 20 will include these images because they were voted highest scoring in the daily, weekly, and monthly ranking and awarded the highest points........ exactly what is being discarded now and on one hand praised as a tog submitting high scoring images but on the other hand some repetitive ones !

I have worked within the rules of Pixoto i have not flooded the submissions with masses of similar images or at least there has been significant enough differences as have many of the top ranked togs, and i have been consistently awarded top 5% and top 10 places which is bloody hard to do !

If it was easy then there would be loads of you up there knocking me off my spot ? to get to the end of the year and be told that it was all for nothing is unacceptable !!

Either award the top togs of the year based on the rules followed throughout the year ! or change it to the best Photos of the year which is what is being awarded according to last years rules.
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Ralph, how are the rankings tabulated throughout the year? I can't quite find it listed anywhere - IS it by points awarded? That's how it seems, except there is no breakdown of how many points a tog has awarded for the current year or for which category (as far as I can tell)... If its spelled out somewhere, I can't locate it.

I am not sure exactly what the complaint is - if someone has a single exceptional image scoring 800 and 9 images scoring an average 600, they will still not have as high an average as someone with 10 images scoring 700 or even 650. OTOH, by using just the "points awarded", someone might indeed have a very good image that did NOT get a huge amount of points awarded because there might not have been a lot of competition that day, week or month (or it simply got overshadowed by another even more exceptional image and missed out on top awards).

Of course, this also doesn't take into consideration that some categories simply don't have the same number of entries as others, which means that the images don't get the same high points awarded. Does this mean a photographer in, say, News and Events is not as good as a photographer in "Animals"? No matter how great a "news and events" image is, it will never get the same points as a winner in Animals or People.
It also seems to me that the award shouldn't necessarily go to quantity over quality... I find J's concept interesting, except that it does pave the way for the good folks at Pixoto to decide what images should be counted and which ones are "copies" or repetitive, which will undoubtedly cause more problems than its worth... Some categories do lend themselves to submission of very similar looking images - there are only so many ways to display a sunset, for example, or a train. I am not sure one should be penalized for that...

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just not sure that choosing the tog based on the most points accumulated is necessarily the right way to get to the cream of the crop. Consistent excellence should be awarded, IMHO, but if the end of the year awards are based on a tabulation that isn't obvious, then the Pixoto team really should establish exactly what the criteria is, and base the rankings throughout the year on that so that people know where they stand.
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BTW, take a look at News and Events... The final for the year includes a ton of *very* similar images from several different people who all seemed to be at the same event at the same place... The pics are wonderful, but after the first couple, they do lose their impact...
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The awards are by category not across the board so all animals in one selection all transport will have a different top 20 and so on...... as to how the points are awarded thats a mystery its based on a percentage of the number of entries in the category for the day week month and there is a break down giving each place in the top 10 a percentage then 5% get considerably less and 10 & 20% get such a small amount that it is never going to make a difference to the points total.

In fact if you only got 10 & 20% awards all year you would stand no chance of getting off the bottom half of the leader board, on an average day a 20% award is 18 points in animals, if you add in 5% awards then you might make it past the middle to maybe the three quarter mark again an average daily score for 5% in animals is 150 ish points, so with top ranked where they are you have to get top 10 awards to be at the top of the leader board and the higher you are the better your scores have to have been !

The link to the animals section is here

http://www.pixoto.com/players-photogr...

Just change the category to look at other categories !

Also look at the scores for the top 20 placed players (thats what Pixoto call us so it is considered a game that we are competing to win ?) if you look at the scores achieved in a year and see if its possible with multiple low scoring entries ! or as i suggest you have to enter good images get good places not always top places not even always high scoring images but they have to pick up high places in the daily weekly and monthly ranking to get there....... then what "sorry it dosnt really count anyway"..... or is it going to be done a fair way this year ?
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I think we are thinking alike, just saying it differently, Ralph. I guess what I don't really understand is, even if the yearly awards are tabulated by the top ten images of a photographer, is it actually possible for someone to beat out the next guy with a few lucky images? Its still the average of ten images, and IMO, that's probably enough to determine the skill level of that person, rather than using points accumulated.

Let me use myself for example... I have been submitting on Pixoto for about 3 weeks. I've done pretty well, I guess... As of this morning, in the "Cats" category, I am listed as the #7 "player" (I agree, lousy term). I've submitted something like 100 images (not all in that category) during that time, but obviously, 3 weeks isn't a "year's worth of work". I've had a few pretty high scoring images, but nothing that makes you go "WOW!" (at least, it doesn't make ME go WOW). So, my placement could be tabulated by my ten top scoring images (think the highest one is running ~739) which probably won't get me in the top ten, or by my award points, which puts me in 7th place out of some 5000 contributors (at the moment). On one hand, I think people with a couple very high scoring images should be recognized. OTOH, I think an across the board successful body of work should be recognized as well, BUT would add that while small numbers of points per image might not get you in the top ten site wide or in some of the bigger categories, it actually *could* get you recognized in smaller categories....

Still not sure the best way to do it...
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Any changes to a system of accolades needs to explained at the beginning of a new year - not the end. People need to be able to read about the rules, regulations, and means of award BEFORE they decide whether or not Pixoto is for them. I posted my photos earlier this year (2013) based on information that was provided to me at that time. My understanding that the award system was in place and that that was the system under which my images would be judged. To change that system now (end of 2013) would mean that all players and people who came aboard prior were playing under a set of rules for 2013 that changed without notice. That is not ethical. Changes to awards for the year need to be announced now and then put in place for 2014.
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All the awards are correct and have been awarded as described, what is in discussion is an additional set of awards that are awarded at the end of the year and what information is used to base the decision ?

I believe the basis of awarding Best Photographer Of The Year on a selection of 10 images is unfair and it should be taken directly from the leader board which is what we all have been working to better ourselves too !!

That or change the name to "Best Photographs of the year" which is what is being awarded really !!!
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I may be dazed by the snow storm in the northeast that just hit us, but I'm not quite understanding this statement, Ralph:

"I believe the basis of awarding Best Photographer Of The Year on a selection of 10 images is unfair and it should be taken directly from the leader board..."

When you say "taken from the leaderboard" what exactly do you mean?
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The top 20 Photographers who have achieved the top 20 places on each category leader board just like any other competition if you are in 1st place you are 1st number 1 of the top 20 if you are 20th on the leader board then you get 20th place in the top 20

if you want to award for top 10 images then call it top 10 images because its not actually always the top ranked photographers who will get them ?

Last year i finished no 4 for the year based on the points accumulated throughout the year i played the competition won the points and ended in 4th place !! i didnt even make the top 20 based on top 10 images and that really p#ss+d me off

This year i will end in the top 20 again on the leader board but not top 20 "Photographers" and whilst i take my hat off to togs like you who can achieve both i dont agree with someone who just submits the odd good shot but not enough to get up to the top of the leader board getting credited as best tog of the year !
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So if I understand you correctly, you are talking about Top Player rankings for the year and transferring those ranking numbers to Best Photographers of the Year. I think in some case, such as yours, Ralph, this would be an equitable solution. For many of us it would not.

The tog, who is say, no. 1 in player rankings for the year in Animals has that ranking because he got a number of top ten scores and submitted between 20 and 40 images per day. But if you take his top ten scores average, I believe he ends up around no. 5 in that category for the year. Right now I think I will end up 3rd and I was 3rd in player rankings, so either way I'm in the top 5, which is my goal every year. However, to put someone ahead of me whose top score image was the same as mine (775), six of his ten top images scored below my lowest top ten scoring image, and entered more than 2400 images than I, ending up no. 1 in player rankings, somehow doesn't compute.

Another example would be Roy Husada, who is no. 8 in player rankings in Animals, but who will be the clear runaway no. 1 in that category with his ten sparrow shots, four of them scoring in the 800's.

This is not to say I don't empathize with your position and working so hard to achieve your goals, but in the two plus years I have been on this site it has always come down to your average top scoring ten images, and I don't see that changing without a firestorm from members who believe you should be entering your best photos, in other words, quality not quantity.
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I cant see it changing either but what is the point of a competition if at the end of the year after all the scoring, awarded points are worked out and we have a ranked list of competitors the final answer is...........

Oh well sod the lot we will just pick another list of winners and the years scores dont actually count anyway !!!!

Perhaps we could get an official answer to what the reasoning is, why at the end of the year we need to have two different compilations of winning lists and why the official one that is listed in the rules counts for nothing ?
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I hope the best photographers of the year don't follow those in previous years where they won with many duplicates or repetatives......
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consistency is important too....let's say a photographer produces one excellent image that scores in the 800s....does that make him a better photographer than the one who has three or four in the upper 600's or low 700's? I'm not sure exactly, and everyone will have a different opinion I'm sure, but, it's not clear cut so it needs to be a system that Pixoto decides and we either play fair and accordingly or not. In the end, someone will say they preferred another way of doing it. Not wrong, just different.
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Really, I don't know why they can't do both... Why can't Pixoto award the tog with the highest average of the top ten images and also award the tog with the most accumulated points? A "High Average" winner and a "High Points" winner would make the most sense....

in the future though, it might make sense to use more than ten pics to determine the average... one or two pics in the 800s would be averaged out by 20 in the mid 500's or low 600's... Perhaps establishing a minimum entry of say, 24 images, which is at least two a month...

I see both sides of this coin... Ralph has a valid point in that the person leading a category in points *should* be recognized. OTOH, the person with the highest image *average* should as well, but in order to achieve an average, there should be ample evidence of consistent excellence, so requiring more than ten images seems to make sense.

As I mentioned above, its difficult for certain categories to achieve the same number of points as others based on the number of submissions... I don't think this should be the exclusive method of choosing a "site wide" best...

JMHO

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