Ban from making comments - taking matters into my own hands not allowed

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it was wrong to call a super crappy blurry picture "blurry" and to say "this is a photo contest- please submit clear photos" was going too far- which is why I removed my comments right after I made them- but not before the submitter saw what I wrote- He told me he reported me- and called me every name in the book - (he has a really bad temper!) Like I said- I deleted the comment within minutes of posting it. He took revenge by posted bad comments on my photos. They weren't polite like mine was.

I was frustrated after hours of taking matter into my own hands trying to make positive change to this site. We've all been asking for over a year to do something about the duplicators and intentional wrong category submitters- something more than just moving their pictures. More then just deleting the duplicates. More than deleting them weeks after we report them many times.

Yes- I tried to shame them out of continuing to do what they were doing. Shame them into removing them themselves by labeling them "DUPLICATE" as a comment. Or "wrong category"

What choice did I have? You refuse to do anything to deter people. I've told you numerous ways to handle it- solid solutions that are fair and would be affective. For 13 years I reorganized failing companies to become profitable and was really good at it.

All I've ever done is try to help you become more successful as well. Customer satisfaction is vital to your business succeeding long term.

Not dealing with the cheaters is going to be your undoing. Everyone's completely fed up- The way your dealing with it isn't acceptable to the contestants.

A contestant should never have to take matters into their own hands to make change happen. The solution isn't to ban the person from helping- the answer is to solve the problems that made the commenting become necessary.

I'm not sorry for trying to make a difference.
At least I cared enough to try!
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Are you saying that Pixoto has banned you from making comments. If that is so then i must be next on the list.

I tell the photographer what he/she has done wrong and point them in the direction of where to find the info and what they have done wrong. I have only once had a problem with another tog.
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Its a shame if you've been banned ......

The comments issue should be resolved, its simple, get rid of those 3 points for the worthless comments many post...like nice....one even said boost?
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Janna,

I've only been on Pixoto for about a week and I understand your frustrations. I also see a lot of duplicates, similar images, wrong categories and areas of possible unscrupulous practices and some people just don't completely read and or understand the instructions.

Pixoto is used by a varied international group of photographers and artists with varied cultural backgrounds and languages. We all don't see, read, hear and think the same thing all the time. I also see that some of Pixoto's sections aren't well defined enough to avoid confusion. I think in some cases things are getting lost in translation and there will always be some who will play unfair by "our" standards.

For example I posted an image of an original sculpture that I created in the Traditional Art/Sculpture section. I noticed nearly 75% of the other images were photos that people had taken of other people's works. I'm confused, which is it or is it both?

Pixoto seems to be under manned at checking the 100s if not 1000s of images.

When I see an image that I like, I say so with a nice comment or vote for it. Also when I check "My Images," it feels like I'm feeding a slot machine waiting for a pay off. That's no way to win a Challenge.

There are some really great photos and photographers on Pixoto, but I'm not going to waste my time or money trying to fix things. Good luck!

Cheers,
Carl
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I'm one of the few who also enter sculptures I make (carved wall murals) and yes- its only meant for people who made sculptures to enter their work. This week- I'm the only one that's qualified to be there out of 12 entries.

I understand the language differences- that's why most times I take the time to explain why.

Banning me actually violates my right to equal opportunity to earn points.

It doesn't say anywhere that a negative comment will get you banned. It only says to say something nice- which I often did.

what bothers me is I cant say "thanks" to people who commented on my work- or reply to people who ask me a question.
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Well I hope it's just temporary and you get the ability to make comments back real soon.

I think sometimes when a fellow member tries to explain something regardless of how kind and positive it is, it turns out and is perceived as condescending to the other person. Communicating on-line has it's downfalls.

Best,
Carl
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If I commented on all the crap I get offered to vote on I'd be here 24/7.

I haven't been banned(yet!) but my photograph of a topless woman smoking in the open air was reported by some troll as being in the wrong category. It was in 'Portraits of Women'. I was informed that it had been moved to 'Nudes and Boudoir' and no apology for deleting my 650 image score in the process:
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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the problem talking or trying to talk to Pixoto is that they are deaf they stick their fingers in their ears because they don't want to hear. Its the same with up loading errors I've told them and put up why it happens but they don't listen and still try and blame your Browser, one of the reasons I put my photos up here is to get feed back on my work, and to show it off, Pixoto is a great format but it dose have some major flaws, that desperately need fixing, I don't care if this upsets Pixoto but the fact is the system is being rorted by people and we all know which is the worst group for that. I think it stinks that someone can be banned for making a true an honest comment on a photo and then have that person make return comments that are blatantly offensive and down right rude still be here and not get banned themselves. so come Pixoto pull your socks up and fix this and the other issues that you are failing to fix.
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Personally, I don't think this is a site for anyone looking for feedback on their work. Jefferson, I'd recommend the user forums at Shutterstock -- they have a specific forum for exactly that -- feedback on photos -- and they don't hold back! It's an excellent venue for anyone looking for constructive comments and criticism :-)
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Janna
did you actually get banned from posting comments???
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It is a shame. Personally I welcome polite comments telling me if I have made a mistake. I just joined about 4 days ago and when I read the rules I missed the part saying no date stamps allowed. I had one member comment politely on my photo letting me know which I much appreciated and wished I had used the link on her comment to thank her before I deleted the photo. It also helped me realize why two of my other photos had been deleted. I also immediately deleted all the other pictures that had date stamps on them. I really enjoy looking at everyones photos and just hope one day I can get just as good. I am a newbie and have a lot to learn about taking pictures. I just got my first DSLR camera three weeks ago and just bought a telephoto lens today so am looking forward to practicing with it this weekend. I just hope others are kind enough to make any kind of polite suggestion to help me improve wether its pointing out if I unknowingly (I would never break one of the rules on purpose) broke one of the rules to just pointers to help me improve my photography.
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I appreciate very much getting any kind of feedback on my images. When I see something I really like, I do the same.

The typical response "nice" is kinda lame. But I'm guilty of using it too. There are just to many good stuff out there.
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It looks like my ban has now been lifted- Thank you Pixoto. Please let me know if other than the one complainer- am I doing something wrong? Is what I'm doing helpful to you- that's my goal.

I will try be better by explaining why I write wrong category on them.

I still feel that submitting in a wrong category simply gets it deleted with a generic computer generated email triggered that states- your image was submitted in the wrong category and was deleted. Please read the category descriptions below and resubmit. Refund them the 10 points so they've lost nothing.

trust me- everyone will quickly learn to submit in the right category and you will have MUCH less work to do! We are all adults- we can handle having consequences for our actions. Same with duplicates- delete both copies and see how fast everyone never submits duplicates again. And yes- they loose points and awards earned by both copies of it. People cannot get mad at you for it- they chose to duplicate- they are choosing to get caught and pay the price. Your training people to not cheat.

WHO AGREES WITH THE FOLLOWING SOLUTION?

Announce by email that starting November 10th, all wrong category submissions will be deleted at the time they are reported- regardless of what their current score is. Your submission points will be refunded- fell free to submit again in the right category. And all copies of duplicates will be deleted. no points will be refunded and all awards /points for that image will be removed. You will be allowed to resubmit a single copy of the image to the right category.
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Works for me.
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Good idea there Janna.
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sounds ok to me
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There is NO WAY an image should be deleted from a category for the single reason that someone reported it -- I mean, really....what a wonderful way for vindictive and nasty people to get back at those they don't like. Pixoto should make the decision, not the person reporting the photo. Don't get me wrong ... reporting is good, but the "reporter" should not be judge-and-jury.

Plus, there are too many ambiguous category descriptions here. Some categories ARE obvious .... a tiger is not a person, for example :-) but what about a sunset picture that shows a large boat docked on a beach festooned with Christmas lights. Landscape? Transportation? Holiday? What if someone dressed up as Santa Claus wearing swim trunks is standing beside the boat? Should it be People? :-)

My opinion: I think a delay of having shots appear on our account -- a delay so that a Pixoto staff member can double-check for watermarks, category choice etc -- would be ideal :-)
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It is very simple to identify the category.

If your sunset has a large boat docked on a beach whereby the boat dominates the image (takes center stage or rule of thirds) then the main subject is the boat so the image should be in Transport/Boats Category. If the boat is secondary to the landscape the image belongs in Landscapes.

If there is an overlap between subjects then the photographer is the lead on determining the category selection.

Unfortunately here on Pixoto there are many that cannot distinguish a boat from a landscape:

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Here is another image in landscapes...the main subjects are the silhouettes of the people, the landscape is secondary

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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Lenore I don't think that anyone is saying that action should be taken only because someone has reported. What we are agreeing on is that after it has been checked and found to be valid, the following should happen.

"WHO AGREES WITH THE FOLLOWING SOLUTION?

Announce by email that starting November 10th, all wrong category submissions will be deleted at the time they are reported- regardless of what their current score is. Your submission points will be refunded- fell free to submit again in the right category. And all copies of duplicates will be deleted. no points will be refunded and all awards /points for that image will be removed. You will be allowed to resubmit a single copy of the image to the right category."
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To me obviously the reporting team should look at a report and consider its validity....they should not just move/delete a shot because of a report.
The trouble with the delay idea is that there are thousands of images submitted each day and it seems the staff can't keep up with the work they already have.
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or maybe Pixoto should get more staff? This is a business and really shouldn't need volunteers.
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Terry, for sure .... but I think the only way Pixoto makes $$ is for people to purchase Pro memberships or the cut they get from stock photo sales. That doesn't sound like enough profit to have anything more than a couple of staff members at most. A few years ago, I was a very active member of another site (not photography related) that was incredibly popular and busy (it was eventually bought out by one of the media bigwigs, who then proceeded to mess it up totally, but that's another story.........) and it was run by only two people. They were able to hire a part-timer after their membership grew (like here, there were paid memberships and free ones, with the paid ones offering a lot of benefits) but eventually, they still had to go the volunteer route and it actually worked quite well. Members who had shown themselves to be responsible and mature and fair were given various responsibilities.

But, for sure, it would be great if there were more Pixoto staffers!
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Well paid or volunteers, more bodies would be nice. The replies to things on this forum are mostly by members right now.
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kinda like gmail- no customer service anymore-
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LenoreL

do the math- $8 a month pro account x 5,000 pro accounts= $40k a month. They can EASILY afford to hire more staff. (considering jason once said they got over 100,000 new members in a month or something like that- there's likely way more than 5,000 pro accounts.
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when an image is submitted to the wrong category- and deleted with the points returned- no harm is done. And no- not just anyone should be allowed to do the level of reporting that has the power to delete images- I believe there are some of us who are qualified or proven to have accurate discretion.

Pixoto should take advantage of the few people on here - like myself- who have been willing to put in many hours to find and report things in the forum section- we want power more than to get paid. Power to move pictures, To delete duplicates. We are obviously willing and able to help- so make us moderators. It's what I've been doing anyhow. Look at how much we report- all that could be taken care of for you by us. Give us special log in to access at least the power to delete duplicates.
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I don't think the members/players here on Pixoto should be given access to Delete or Move photos just because they think they are similar or duplicate. Only Pixoto staff should be given power to do that so that they can remain unbiased in doing this task. As members we should just report and the final decision should be of the staff. Personally I wouldn't feel confident if active members were allowed to do this job.
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It would be nice to get some insights from the Pixoto staff.
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No I don't think members should be given the power to remove images, that should always be down to staff in the interests of fairness.

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