Bad image voting.

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I've just about had it with the voting. There is a certain group who either doesn't take voting serious or is blind. I'm going to give this a little more time & if it keeps up I'm out of here.
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I agree with you!! There are times where the two photos that are put up for voting is so bad I have to " skip" them and now lately its getting where I skip more and more... But I guess some feel their photos are good, talk about being blind.
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Hello Roy, we are aware that there might be users that do not pay attention while voting, so we have voting flag system that will catch voters that vote irregular and ban them from voting.

I hope this helps.
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???? Really????
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Roy Walter

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I know that there are many out there who see what we see. It's a shame this topic even has to be brought up.
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Hi all, i'm new to pixoto and i like it very much, but....but... i feel already , by comments, by the community and based on what i have already seen in few days that there are various problems with images out of categories still winning against legit images.

I don't know if the staff knows the situation and if can't do anything, but is not really good to new customers when this happen.

Example (one of various): few minutes ago i checked one my image, this
https://www.pixoto.com/images-photogr...

and i see it lost the duel against this ( in flower and plant, wtf -.-) https://www.pixoto.com/images-photogr...

Why the staff don't checks if the images are in correct category when they are uploaded?

Sry for bad english
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OssO, your english is fine :-)

Both of those images are in the Novices Only category, so they will duel each other. Subcategories are just for organizational purposes and really don't mean much here. Awards are given out for the best in a category, so every photograph in a category can potentially duel against all the other images in that category, to determine the category's best image. In other words, any photos you put into Novices Only will be open to duel with all the other Novices Only images.

Categories such as Novices or Black and White can be tricky, because they will have photographs of many different subjects all dueling each other; they have to, in order to determine the category winners.

Pixoto staff do not police the site; it is up to the users to report when they see duplicates, or images with watermarks (signatures, datestamps, and/or copyright info), or photos that are in the wrong categories -- NOT sub-categories, you are free to put your photo into any subcategory you wish as long as you've chosen the right category. For example, if I put a photograph of a tiger into Animals - Birds, it is free to stay there because Animals is the right category for a photograph of a tiger. Birds is a silly choice :-) but it doesn't matter, since the category is correct.

There are many of us that wish Pixoto would police their own site, but that's not how it works. So, if you see an image with a watermark or one that you think is in the wrong category, please click the Report button.
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Ok, thx for the reponse ,understood.

About this: "For example, if I put a photograph of a tiger into Animals - Birds, it is free to stay there because Animals is the right category for a photograph of a tiger. Birds is a silly choice :-) but it doesn't matter, since the category is correct."

tell me you are kidding please...what is the meaning and sense to have the subcategories then, if they don't matter......aesthetics for the site? entertainment for people who will choose something for fun?
ahahhahah, thank you , you made me smile, now i can go to smoke my cigar after the coffe
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No, I'm not kidding :-) It doesn't matter what sub-category you choose, as long as the category is right. All photos duel within the entire category so Pixoto doesn't care what subcategory you choose.
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I agree what's the use in having subcategories. I vote for the one that's in the correct subcategory as I can't vote for a post when the person doesn't care enough to put it in the right place.
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For a lot of our fellow Pixoto members, English is not their primary language. Just my two cents, but when I'm voting in the duels I totally disregard the subcategory; if they got the category right, I'll vote :-)
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Well, i'm not disregarding and i report and vote for the other image if the first is not in right subcategory.
If this is not correct get rid of asking us to choose what SUBcategory put our images
Sometimes the duel is from 2 images under "novices" and what you are saying is right, but if the duel say me "animals>>>birds" i really don't understand why i have to choose from a birds and an a dog or lizard
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I guess the reason would be that we're voting to determine the best photographs in a category :-)
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Yes, i agree, but you don't answer to my question: then why i have to choose when uploading from one subcategory if does not matter that your tiger is put in "birds"? why not put all in a generic "animals" and stop?
i'm not complaining about the results or the score,never mind, but your previous quoted statement makes totally nosense for my point of view :)
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I agree that the subcategories should be eliminated :-)
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I understand what your saying, but I vote any way myself because if we all did it your way no one would be getting any votes. the votes are bad enough as is, so of the photos I see get a lot of votes that really are horrible photos, and yet some one like me will put some thing in that is pretty damn good and get crap as a vote. ?? What the hell is going on here?
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Roy Walter

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Jo I know what you mean. I've found that it makes a difference according to the time of day. what does that tell you?
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I've also noticed that there's a difference between weekends and weekdays too.
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Yes there is Lenore.
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Some of us work hard to get a great photo, to others it comes naturally but when you have some that put up "junk" and get votes on it it's wrong and now I can see why more and more people leave this site, just unfair how things get done...
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we all should be accountable for our votes- show voters names under the images they vote on- why is it so important to keep it private- all that does is offer some a chance to vote blindly with no accountability at all. anyone who is voting fairly really shouldn't mind this, only the ones who have something to hide will complain.

I do not think this is a 100 percent solution but i do believe it will slow down some of the bad voting. It can't hurt to test it, can it?
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They're not shown publicly, but Pixoto does monitor our voting. They have a system in place to ensure people are not voting unfairly or without paying attention. If they detect that you're not voting properly, you will be temporarily banned from voting -- Pixoto staff have said this new system, put in place earlier this year, has been very helpful in allowing them to spot bad voters.
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I know about the system they have in place, to help alleviate bad voting but if it were truly working this topic wouldn't have been started now would it?

I also don't think they monitor votes but rather place some dummy images in the mix, and if you vote for the dummy images more then the allocated times, then they suspend voting for and hour to week or longer. this does not stop people from voting down images that were not presented by pixotos net.
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You're not alone in your frustration, Roy. Many of us, including myself, have gotten extremely frustrated when we see very poor or mediocre images zoom to the top. I was shaking my head the other day when I saw a very average shot of a parrot top out at over 720...I mean, no offense to the tog that took that shot, but what are these people thinking when they vote...or maybe that's the problem, they aren't thinking. In all deference to this site, which I have enjoyed for almost three years, I don't honestly believe the voting flag system, which supposedly catches voting irregularities, is all that effective with the massive number of people voting. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that this problem will never be fixed adequately, so I'm only left with the hope that when my shots are entered and resubmitted ad nauseam, that I will hit upon an honest pool of voters who will hopefully see my work for what it is.

Hang in there, Roy. You have some awesome work in your profile and it all won't receive the recognition you would like, but if you can get at least half of your work to the level you expect, than you've beaten the quick clickers and the biased voters, and you should take a great measure of satisfaction from that.
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Roy my work is no where near as good as yours, but I still feel mine is not bad and I too shake my head in disgusted on this so call voting. I now don't feel like it's fun any more with the way my things have been getting such low votes. So now I've just will find some other if there is site to do things with my photos like Pixoto..
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Can't say as I blame you Jo and thanks for the compliment. I'm looking myself for another forum. There are a lot of great photographers that post on Pixoto and I love looking at their work. I've got one other complaint that I didn't want to bring up but what the heck I might as well. The ones that pose digital art as pure photography. So if it has a horse in it no matter how digitally created it was it still is animals-horses. Somethings wrong with that or if a scantily clothed model is posing with a soccer ball then it's sports-soccer. Somethings wrong with that also. I brought both to the attention of Pixoto but they were allowed to stay in those categories. I'm SOOOOOOO confused.
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If some one took a picture of fresh cow manure and it were technically perfect , tack sharp with perfect lighting - I wouldn't vote for it even if it was up against a poorly lit and slightly out of focus picture of a cow. You know why? Because I like cows and I don't like cow manure.

I like parrots more than bald eagles. I see a lot of bald eagle pictures here, a whole lot, a ridiculous amount - enough to where I find them boring and repeptitive. Everyone thinks their kids and their photos are above average but it just isn't true. Sure, some photographers are highly skilled with a camera and a computer. Typically the general scoring trend of their images indicates this. But even Babe Ruth struck out more than he got a base hit.

I vote for images I like based on a lot of criteria. Part of that is technical skill, part is intuition and part of it is for originality. So, some of the things I see on here multiple times every single day: colored pencils, splashing tigers, water splashed flowers, a certain topless woman on a bed - I handicap those things a bit. I can do that. So can you.

(Full disclosure - I have submitted pictures of bald eagles)
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I'm glad you added that last sentence about bald eagles, Lou, because I was all set to call you on it. ;)
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I think Lou basically sums it up. I also vote for the picture that interests me. Not the one that is "picture-perfect ". That is what the voting here is all about.

Trust me, I too have been disappointed and puzzled to see what my pictures lost against. But it is part of life on Pixoto. Most people here vote through feeling and not through technical photographic rules. In any case, that's what I believe.

Eventually I got used to it and it still is a fun site.

P.S. When visiting the zoo I will definitely photograph a bald eagle.
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And I would have certainly deserved it.

Pixoto is different things to different people. I like the points system. Although we won't admit it to each other, my wife and I compete with each other a bit. There are certain types of pictures that score really well here. We recently drove to Norfolk - a four-hour one-way trip because that zoo had tigers and bald eagles and we wanted to get some high-scoring pics. We got a few. We also had a fun get-away weekend

I know that I can shoot (pictures of) squirrels on my back deck and score lots of points. Some times I do that. We go to the beach a lot and while there we shoot sunsets and sunrises beside piers. They are boring images but they score well too. We went on a once-in-a-lifetime vacation to Northern California and milked the photos we got there for all we could. It's a game.

We aren't retired yet. We both have full time jobs. Neither of us has any interest in turning photography into a job. We have enough dough to get some decent gear. And (speaking of cliches) at the end of the day - we enjoy this web site a lot.

One more thing - we had to learn what scores well here. I had pictures I'd posted on Facebook that people just raved about. When I posted them here, they flopped. The same has happened in reverse. So, any new folks reading this should realize there is a learning curve to doing well o Pixoto -- if doing well means winning duels. It's not the same as taking a great photo in another context.
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True Lou, and between you and your wife... Who's the most popular?
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Well, she has the most points but I have the most followers.
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:-) :-) :-)

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