Anyone else having trouble getting imageduels? Hard for a pic to gain score when it isn't getting duels, and others are...

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Jason, have you checked if you're not belatedly affected by the Millenium Bug? :-)
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You never know :-)
Seel alse my remark above John. It's actually not a new problem John as Jason claims; there were threads before reporting the unexpected increase of old pictures showing up in duels.
But if it all goes back to the millenium.... :D
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Jason explained a lot and made a lot of promises these last 6 months.

Jason promised me personally to look into my missing images more than a month ago and personally promised to keep me updated. "Personally" I believe nothing happened. Nothing has happened to my missing images in half a year.

Whatever Jason tries to explain from now I'll blame it on the Millenium Bug.

Is it not that the proof is in the pudding?
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The idea of eliminating the cash prize has been suggested for years by myself and others, and obviously that is not an option for Pixoto, though it makes perfect sense, and eliminates a host of problems that keep reoccurring on this site.

My guess as to why Pixoto has not implemented this suggestion is that they have calculated that the site would probably lose much of the massive number of Indonesian members, even if we substituted cash for credits, which has also been suggested as an alternative weekly award. Unfortunately, the chance to win some cash, for many, is the sole reason they joined this site.

As to the current problems, which Jason says should be fixed within 24-48 hours, perhaps we should all refrain from voting or submitting good images that go nowhere, until it's clear the problems have been permanently fixed.
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John Larson, if their calculation is so true. Why not just send over the cash immediately to those people? And let us have a bit of fun with our animal, black and white an model shots?

I am here for the fun, the excitement, the thrill and of course my ego if all goes well. When I reach the assurance and confidence in my work, I would be pleased if Pixoto would sell them for me. There Jason could take a percentage and make some money.

Whereas now, if all the waterlilies are for sale, he'll have to pay 52 first prizes a year @ 20 bucks and he might sell perhaps to or three a year for 20 bucks.

He might be able to sell much more of good photographers with a variety of work if he'd let them get into the top ten.
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I have reverted to entering only 1 image a day, until I can see a change. Seems like if you can get to 500, the images seem to trickle up a bit over the next week. I used to routinely get in the 600's but that is now a distant memory. Wish my pictures had not become so bad overnight that they can't score! The strange thing is I am not on this site to compete with other photographers, I mainly compete with myself to see how good my pics are score wise and see where I can improve and if I can beat my high score. I also really like seeing the other photographers work.
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Amazing! Despite all the complaints, suggestions and sometimes despair from members, there is just no reply from Pixoto in regards to the above mentioned problems ...
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Jason just for your information.

While voting I came across some images that I remembered seeing them few days ago. Upon browsing I found that image only has 400+ image score with 60+ duels, why waste duel on this image? Don't think the photographer DuelBoost to try to get into Weekly Top 20%? The duels could have on yesterday's or today's images. I have 2 images submitted yesterday only got below 30 duels at low 500 image score while others in Top 10 has got 40-50+, knowing this image will not have enough fair number of duels to make it into Top 10 I re-submitted.
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Encountered another pair of dueling mages from last month, really wasting votes....
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Ken, I believe many people like to constantly boost their images, even when it doesn't seem to make sense at first -- but many folks keep boosting and boosting, I think, hoping to get as great a score as possible so they'll get a Best of the Year award for that photo. And, if they do that, they're keeping them in the active voting pool.

I also remember reading something about how the algorithm works for images recently uploaded -- that they're matched with images that have a middle-of-the-road score, not great but not horrible. That's how all the duels start, I think.
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Thanks Lenore for the info. Looks like now the dueling is back to normal, I submitted 1 image an hour ago and now it hit above 700 score with 60+ duels.
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Unfortunately, I am starting to get cynical :-) Every time I think there's an improvement it doesn't seem to last very long. I sure hope this time's the charm though!
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Lucky you, Ken! You must not get much down-voting of your images...lol. I have one 700+ score for July where I was averaging 14 in the two previous months.
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Thanks John, this month my scores are not bad, currently there are 6 in the top 10 but no one knows until the closing date.
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My down voting all begins at night (after midnight EST). Don't know why....but have picked up several new followers who don't post images on Pixoto.
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Some of the pics I had duels against were from 2013...doesn't seem like that should be the way it works, eh?
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Not a single reply from Pixoto to any suggestions other than to blame old images dueling. This may not be the only factor, Pixoto needs to address a range of issues and needs to be more agile in resolving problems.

This is one fact.

Image submissions down in nearly all categories some by up to 30% from corresponding periods in 2014.

People category May-July 2015 daily submission average 250 per day. down 30% on corresponding periods 2014.

Landscape category May-July 2015 daily submission average 450 per day. down 15% on corresponding periods 2014.

Buildings category May-July 2015 daily submission average 230 per day. down 18% on corresponding periods 2014.

Yesterdays 27th July submissions in the people category was down to 222 entries, i remember when it was around the 500 mark per day.
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I hate to say this, because I have backed Pixoto over the years, as it experienced the usual growing pains and tried to be tolerant and suggest sensible solutions to many of their problems. Early on, several of these suggestions were instituted, but it's been a long dry spell since then. I watch this site fall into chaos and watch excellent photographers leave for better run and more sensible photo sites. I watch new contest rules being ignored and continued low daily contest scores continue to win top ten positions in their category. We are told all the things the voting problems are not caused by, which is basically meaningless if the main cause for the decreasing number of duels is not found and fixed. And when I say fixed I mean fixed permanently and not just for a couple hours, as it was yesterday. Today we are back to the same old crap. Basically, this site has become a bad joke at the expense of it's members. I firmly believe that Pixoto could care less about this small group that posts their complaints and suggestions on this message board. Out of a total membership of over 150k, we have a very small and seldom heard voice. So the problems and complaints continue and nothing gets fixed because we are not being heard.

The irony here is that most of the regular posters on this forum are the FEW who actually CARE about this site and it's future, and they are systematically being ignored.
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Yes back to the same slow voting issues again. So what if my image is currently 10-2 voted by fair and non-biased members but now stalled and break the rhythm, and when the duels resume after a period of time, the good voters changed to down voters and the good starting score ended up eg 12-10, this is very discouraging.
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Hi John, your final quote "The irony here is that most of the regular posters on this forum are the FEW who actually CARE about this site and it's future, and they are systematically being ignored." seems to be so very very true...
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Hi John, I can see top images submitted today in Animal category already have near 50 duels (with almost 18 hours to spare until daily awards are assigned), which means that duel rate is back up.
Can you please let me know what makes you think that duels are slower again?
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Hi Jasenka those images are submitted during the "normal" voting rate which lasted only a short period of time, for those that are not submitted during that "good" timing are having very low duels, the issue still exist!
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Ken....I think what happens is those 50 vote images were posted as soon as the new day began so they had all day thus far to get their 50 duels while something posted hours later won't ever get there. That's what we are pointing out, Jasenka.
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Yes precisely BradleyR, sometimes the "good" timing could fall under different hours, eg 2 days ago I got one of the image submitted 12hrs ago got 60+ duels within an hour.
Jasenka this has been reported several times but each time you replied "back to normal" is only a temporary fix, after that the slow duels on today/yesterday images happened again.
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So, at this rate, the only time to submit and stand a chance of being "listed" during that peak time is to post when the new day starts. After that....not even worth it. Wait for a new day.
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Yes BradleyR, I guess so until pixoto fix it permanently.
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When the daily awards was finalized, my image in City/Street category was at #10 with only 37 duels, 3 hrs later another 2 more duels to 39 and it moved to #9. Checking with others top 10 they have 40+ to 60+ duels, Jasenka this is what I'm and other members are complaining about the inconsistent dueling rate for yesterday's images.
Your so call "duel rate is up" is not true.
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Thank you for information Ken, I'll forward this to the management to check duels.
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Thanks Jasenka, I remembered Jason said daily awards is top priority...
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Just an update, this image after having the fair amount of duels has upped to #5 but no use as awards already given as #10. This is my 4th time of similar cases as reported in "Please clear the backlog!"
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Seems to me things are the same as when I started this thread...Thought I'd try one since they said a fix was on...no such luck...submitted a pic in animals-cats just after the new day started...later in the evening it was in 1st 513 score with 35 duels...this morning, still 35 duels...never paused...while other pics posted much later have 60+duels...this is NOT kosher...I don't mind losing on a fair basis, but this is far from that...
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Hi all, just to let you know that we have done release yesterday which should help with this issue.
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Looks like the voting slowed down again or is it me?
I submitted an image about half an hour ago or longer and it isn't moving after 8-2 (10 duels)
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Ken, can you please post link to image in question?
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Now it has 17 duels, after 2 hrs additional 7 duels,
http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
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And now it has 19 duels, so in 15 minutes 2 more additional duels. In my opinion duels are accumulating in normal rate. There is still enough time for image to get more duels until daily awards are assigned.
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Ok now start to move a little, will see how it goes, thanks.
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I re-submitted as the dueling rate is slow and down voted to pause status, at the same time another image was submitted 1/2 hour ago (base on the time of my earlier reply) both after 11hrs only got 24-25 duels. I checked the top 10, average 30-40 duels but there's an image with 60 duels, what's going on? Look at this image http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra..., currently at #3 but only has 22 duels, it could have been #1 base on this result with more duels, this is unfair to images with lower duels. The voting system still not consistent.
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Jasenka now is less than an hour to announce daily awards, my this image only has 33 duels ranked #13, others already have 40++ and the highest has 65 duels, the dueling system is very inconsistent.
No choice this image I have to re-submit again despite having a good start and potentially could be top 5 but due to unfair dueling system.
http://i.imgur.com/VxUl6fQ.jpg

5th time I encountered this kind of inconsistent and unfair duels.
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Took a chance again and submitted some photo's yesterday. Voting is extremely slow, which is no surprise anymore and I did some voting myself. Half of the duels are still community challenges. That was me voting today. 20 votes perhaps. Two months ago I would get in a couple of hundred votes per day. Now I won't even do a hundred a week. Why? I don't want to sponsor moderators that are too lazy to vote themselves. Let alone that I want to vote for basically the same pictures submitted everyday going for the 20 dollar weekprize. Boring, demotivating, even irritating.
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Yes John, very slow voting, still the same old issue, fix for a while than back to square one.
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Same here, John. I always think that I should do some voting and sit down to do it, but then I think it's 2014 all over gain. Same images I voted for last year.....I get bored and quit.
Yesterday as a prime example, the top 10 in flowers contained 6 wet purple flowers. Just a few hours ago, 4 of them vanished and now show as fresh submissions for today. So if I was to sit down to vote today I would see the same flowers as yesterday competing against today's entries and so on and so on and so on......all for $20
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The last week images are not moving anymore.
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Very slow voting and unusual low rate of duels. This image became #1. whith only 32 duels .......

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Nr 1 in Black and white with 605 points?? Hahaha.
Still, very good capture Renos and well deserved. I don't mind losing to this ;-)
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wow that's low points for #1, I submitted a bird image 2 days ago got 650 pts but only managed top 5%
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#6 had 42 Duels
#7 had 46 Duels
#8 had 56 Duels
A 20% image had even 70 duels!!!
Proportional this is not the optimum duel balance!
If #1 had also over 50 duels it would have reached 700+ (if not downvoted)!
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It's funny. The weekends were always the busiest on Pixoto. I see the people category only had 96 submissions yesterday. It used to be hundreds. A lot of people must have left. Few submissions, hardly any voting. Looks like the story is over. Only us die-hards seem to miss the point somewhere. And of course the $20-photographers will keep us entertained with the purple waterlilies and what other two or three subjects you have.
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For "Yesterday" on the Leaderboard, all categories, there are only two photos that topped 699: a flower with 700 points and a bird with 733 points. That's it. As for today, the top scoring image so far today is a flower from Dipali, currently sitting with 683 points and next is a tiger from Renos at 673. Nothing higher.

As John said, weekends were always so busy before.
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Also, because of less submiters, than usual, the points that winners receive are less.
Two fast solutions having a favorable effect on duels are as said several times:

1. Awards Announcement not less than 7 (SEVEN) days after submission deadline so that contest duels get spread in 7 and not 5 days and so take the pressure from daily contest duels!!

2. No cash prizes for week and month, instead credits, pro-account !!!

What speaks against one of this two possible ways Pixoto?????
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I tried to edit my above comment but couldn't ..... for "yesterday", the flower with 700 points has only 53 duels and the top image, the bird with 733 points, has 63 duels. So far, Dipali's rose has 39 duels and Renos's tiger has 44 duels.
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Renos, I must heartily agree that the cash prizes should be gone. Gone!!
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There's also the fact that people lose heart and think they're not good enough when the same names win day in and day out with the same images. I've made a few friends through Pixoto and seen them all drop off as time wore on. When I asked "why?" the answer was the same .... "Not fair. Same old winners with same pictures. I can't compete " etc.
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You know Lenore, it is not so that i want to push a claim, i only want to understand Pixotos acting, Pixoto acts on own responsibility, they have the right and they are entitled to do so, but why dont they respect all the users that try to help find a solution and explain why this or that proposal can not be realized?
Maybe all of us would have then more mutual understanding!!!
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Hi all, thank you for information. I forwarded to the management that duels are slower again now.
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Jasenka, slower would be nice right now. Mine seem to be stopped for hours. Can't even boost!
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Pixoto needs, like Windows, a restore point to "restore to the last time it worked properly"...cause this "STILL ain't it!"
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Is it possible - here in the USA - that summer and vacations have cut into Pixoto time? I suspect that some of what appears to be lack of interest is that people are busy enjoying themselves in ways that don't include sitting in front of a computer. They may be taking pictures to upload this winter when weather is bad.
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Hi Jane, not if you look at some of the statistics some fellow photographers were willing to share in this thread:

http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
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Jane. I wish it was summer and vacation related. If you compare week 30 2014/15 in the people category

wk30 2015 weekly total = 1409 daily submission average 201 per day.

wk30 2014 weekly total = 2607 daily submission average 372 per day.

This is down 45% on corresponding periods 2014.
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It is a big difference and summer is summer. Breaks my heart to think that I just joined Pixoto in November, after my 9 year stint with Shutterpoint came to an end when it went bust, only to pick another loser. Hope they work it out. They've had plenty of suggestions - surely something can be done.
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Monday morning here and daily voting is at full speed :-) Seems they have blocked voting for community challenges at the moment. Nice.
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Finally goes very well, the question is how long?
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Agree John, no contest voting at all. Great.
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Wow ,this morning is great ! Moving the way it used to when I first joined (Sept,,2014)
Hope this continues !!!
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It is really fun being here at his moment. Monday afternoon, 3rd of August 2015. Daily challenges running like a dream. Fun voting, fun submitting. I know community challenges had to be blocked just to get it fun again which only goes to show.

Not that I mind community contests only they have been abused the last 6 months or so just to get loads of free credits. Hence tons and tons of meaningless contests eating up votes.

Back to the old suggestion:

1. One Contest per moderator per week with a max of 200 credits to be earned.
2. Replace weekly/monthly cash prizes with credits or some other non-financial award. This to tackle the repetitive submissions of successful entries just to get the money. Cash awards also means lots of bogus/double accounts to vote for certain submissions and will also be an enormous help intackling the down-voting of other member's submissions just because they might be a threat for that cash-prize.
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Ah, how a few hours change things...Unfortunately the contests are back in the voting with a vengeance...I voted about 100 times and around 1/2 were contests( I skipped all the contest votes, ;-) )...they'll never fix it, it doesn't seem...
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Every time Pixoto sends out that "please vote" email, everything suddenly seems hunky-dory ..... for a few hours. It really is like putting a band-aid on a slashed throat.
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yeah, back to how it was :-(
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Pixoto sent out the "please vote" email again ... that's likely why.
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probably yes, but I don't see any contest duels for now; feels great!

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