Anyone else having trouble getting imageduels? Hard for a pic to gain score when it isn't getting duels, and others are...

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The same old issue is happening again...
My image posted about10hrs ago only have 8 duels and I duel boosted (10 duels) before I left home to shoot more fireworks. Now I only have 17 duels at the moment I posting this reply, the 10 duels I boosted still have 1 pending!!!
Currently this image is #2 and #1 has already got 32 duels, makes it unfair in terms of score advancement. Maybe the poster of #1 image is a pro member thus have more duels? But no matter how, the duels are very SLOW!!!!
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Oh, just found another image only has 14 duels after submitted for hours!
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I'm really sorry about this.  We are researching the issue.  We though that it had to do with Contests and that changes we made earlier this week would fix it but unfortunately it doesn't seem that Contests are the issue.  We will keep you posted.
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really hope you find a solutions soon...
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Any update on this issue? I still find that images are not getting fair votes.
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Standard duels has unfortunately been slow again for the last couple of days. Images don't get normal amount of duels regardless of the winning ratio. Jason, you say that Contests aren't the issue, I hope you're right because 17 Community Contest have the deadline 18.7 with massive amount of votes allocated! Is Pixoto prepared for this?
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As quite a few have already stated , I think it's time to take a vacation from Pixoto !
Imagescores are beyond low ,so very few duels
sitewide !
Only one photo has gone above 700 ,with just 41 duels
in 23 hours--- and wouldn't you know ,it's a water lilly ,
with waterdrops , LOL !
Expecting that infamous "please vote " e-mail any minute !
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Trish, it's been 30 minutes since you posted that ... I just had a look at the Leaderboard for today for Photography and that waterlily is still sitting there with 41 duels, and it's still the only photo with a score over 700. It and four others are the only photos above 650. Five photos only above 650 for the day? And only 19 photos above 600? For the day?

For Illustration and Design, it's much worse. Only one photo is sitting above 600 today.

Not good.
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At this point there is no reason to post new photos after the first few hours of the new day since you'll never get enough duels to compete with those successful photos posted when the calendar turns to the new day.
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If it's not the contests, then it simply has to do with a lack of active voters/voting .... Yes?????
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The same problem here. I think it's about the contest which make members disappointed every time a contest pop up everytime you vote. so,
i'm a pro member but i only get 50+ duels for 1-2 days, i had 3 images i submitted yesterday at 6:15 pm i woke up this morning to check my and to my surprise i got
30+ duels. i delete all of them.

This is happening to me for almost 2 weeks now.
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Just now I did some voting and I encountered 40% from contests, hmm....
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Well, I just had a quick look at the challenges "currently voting"

Of course it's full of "Best you've got" "All your favourites" etc.

I also notice that there is one moderator running 6! (SIX) "give me all you've got" contests. Attracting 10 000 entries in total, meaning about 60 000 to 70 000 votes allocated to him alone.

What happened to the previous rule "No more than three challenges per moderator running" ?

I am really not going to vote anymore just to let certain moderators lean backwards and let all the credits accumulate on their accounts by letting others do the work for them.

Please no more than ONE challenge per moderator a week. And stop the ridiculous amount of credits they can gather.
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I voted and every second pair was challenge...50% of votes goes to challenges. There was even one challenge where moderator asking to look at the contests rules...hay, middle of voting? Pixoto's system is so heavy and not handy, if you go middle of voting looking at rules...forgot those photos what were as pair for voting on that moment:o)
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I just got a 20% Best of the Day award on a photo, in a popular category, with a score barely above 500 and only 22 duels.

Do I think the photo is worthy of an award? Sure. But how is that determined in only 22 duels? It does have a great win/loss ratio so I imagine it would have done very well if it had gotten more than 22 duels over the course of many, many hours. That's simply not enough duels.

Is it the number of contests in the duels? Is it the lack of voters? Is it a problem with the algorithm? I don't know. I do know that it is most definitely not back to normal around here.
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nr 6 of the day in black. score 574 (!) in 31 votes. the rest of my pics did not make it and will have to be resubmitted.
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No worries though.....same photos at the top of the leaderboards regardless of number of duels available. Kinda glad about that. I would miss that same purple, wet flower and the bridge in sunset and the lady who we all feel like is now part of our family since we see her in photo more than any member of our families.
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yup ! LOL !
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Hi Jason, any update on this?
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We made some changes this morning which have sped things up a lot - but we're still working on a long term solution.
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thanks for the update Jason
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Thanks, Jason ... looking forward to a solution :-)
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A couple days ago, I received awards in Animals for #'s 3, 4 and 5%. Three and four have scores of 630 and 634 and the 5% award is at 618, which is an absolute joke to win those awards with those scores. I'm seriously beginning to doubt if this site will ever be fixed. People are so fed up with the voting problems that when a duel comes up they just click on one to get it over with and move on to the next. I have lost to shots that were blown out, out of focus and totally boring. How anyone is supposed to take pride in any of the awards they receive now is beyond me!
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For the day that just ended, only five photos in all categories combined had scored over 700.
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I just dueled for a few minutes ... every other duel was a challenge. Every. Other. One. 50%. It frustrated me so much that I'm done dueling for today.
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1 of my images was at #10 in City/Street category with only 40 duels while some other images in top 10 has got 45++ duels, few minutes after the awards of the day ended this image got 2 duels and it jumped from #10 to #6 but no use as awards already given out!
40 duels in a day is simply not enough!!!
I got #2, #3 and #4 but only #2 got image score of low 609, #3 and below are lower than 600, no way these images can compete or score well for the yearly awards with those before Jun.
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Well I am offically done here, at least for quite some time...After all the comments and the "fix" today...I just had a pic and another pic both with 9 duels and 4/5 win loss...I put on boosts...30 min later the other pic had 31 duels...I still had 9 duels...only difference was the other pic was on a pro account...now if they are wweighted that much toward pro well...enough...
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I think I will also stop posting pictures, granted I don't think every picture I enter will win an award, but I am wasting some very good images that before would have won an award. I have been fair in thinking it would get fixed after all of the comments I have read, but it does not look like it will get back to where it was before. Just too frustrating to keep beating my head against the wall. I will keep checking periodically to see if things get better. I love this site, it is really sad and all my friends have left already, now I look like an idiot....... Just not enough duels for a fair score like before. I do see that all of the same type of pictures that always win still win and get high scores and all the awards, my stats have gone down and are no longer realistic or fair.
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My image has a 7 win 1 loss and its been like that since resubmitting it this morning.
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http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

Stuck at 38 votes since June the 18th. A year ago this would have passed 700 points within a day.

Two weeks ago I said this place is bleeding to death. Am I right to observe it is dead?
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Not dead....still bleeding. Black and White used to be a highly competitive category, but lately there haven't been as many entries from what I am seeing. Low 500 scores can win a top 10 now and a low 600 will often win #1. There was a submission problem for many, and the app is still dead. My guess is it's all about the participation rate of late.
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Thanks for the update. So no one seriously attends these days? Apart from Asian countries trying to get the 20 bucks?
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I think a lot of folks gave up after they couldn't log into their accounts, missing images, inability to use the phone app, etc. the hard-core togs are still here along with the $20 winners. You know the ones.....purple flower with water drops, sunset railroad bridge et al
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I tried submitting few images in the last couple days, the ones that would usually get 600+ within 24 hours no problem . Could not get out of low 500 if even reaching it. Typically seeing it going up at first, but then all of a sudden a drop, losing to something not even closely comparable. Makes me give up and delete it. Sad ;( But yeah, flowers and bridges are going strong no matter what; 0)
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Not just flowers and bridges.... "THE" flower and "THE" bridge.
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I have this happen to me all the time. I think it happens when an image is doing well it either gets voted down or it stops completely for hours at a time. this site has major issues and games being played,
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Tried an hour (on & off) of voting, the contests are still taking 50% of the votes.
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After I slept & woke up, this image only got 10 duels (8-2), how to advance to the top 10 at this progress?
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Woke up and had a look out of curiosity. My 9-1 image of yesterday evening turned into a 12-7 overnight. So I only got 9 additional votes of which 6 were losses all of a sudden. Probably it is going to stall even further soon.
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My same image only have 3 more duels after another 5hrs+ (I added a DuelBoost somemore), total only 13 duels, though it's still doing quite well 10-3 but base on this pathetic dueling speed, it's not going to make it into yesterday's top 10.
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It can get worse. On the 18th (!!) I submitted a shot that was/is doing very well. 658 points out of, wait for it, 45 duels. Forty-five duels in six days. That is one duel per 3 hours :-) It should have passed 700 5 days ago under the "old normal Pixoto" circumstances.
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Okay daily awards given out, this image only got 32 duels ranked #16, expected hard to get into top 10 as they got 40-50+ duels. The other image only got 24 duels, what a big diffrrence!!! Time to re-submit again....
Those who got 50+ duels were submitted at the "right" timing where the duels were active for that short period of time, no sure how long? 30mins or 1hr???
This dueling system is seriously flawed and inconsistent.
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A brief thought.

In the last three months, I have received the following number of 700 plus scores: May (14), June (14), July (1). I fully understand that there are many variables thrown in the mix here, such as the possibility of the quality of my work dropping off, or the quality of competing togs work escalating to a higher level. Also, as Susan mentioned above, there could be down-voting of those togs submissions who have done well in the past and whom voters can now recognize from their style or can see what they post on their feed. Of course there are the community contests which also factor in heavily on the declining number of votes most of us are currently experiencing, and which has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam.

The result of these low scores is disappointment and discouragement, and, at times, has made me want to throw in the towel and say "no mas." But I don't. And I don't because in the grand scheme of things, daily, weekly, monthly and yearly rankings on this site have hit bottom on the list of things that are truly important in my life. With all the inequities and problems of this voting system, it no longer defines me as a photographer, and it should not define any of you who are going through the same pangs of wondering why your work isn't scoring better. If you like your work and are happy with what you have created, then you've already won, and no amount of down-voting, biased voting, lack of duels, or any of the other constantly reoccurring problems on this site should take that away from you.
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Indeed John, since almost a month now, scores are undervalued and it`s a gambling game to reach 650-700 points, this turns to be a game of pure chance. And it's also pointless to resubmit images, the problem stays the same!
I also think that there is some downvoting as well because lots of followers, if they dont recognize style, they see what we enter because they can see our feed!
The comparatively few duels whith the resulting smal points are, as you correctly argue John, disappointing and discouraging and for some photographers even demoralizing.
I had a look at the contests today, after the new rules and i could see lots of contests in the "old" pattern whith 97 Community Photo Contests!!!!!
In my oppinion nothing has changed, the imageduels problematic remains unchanged. Until this gets fixed, one day, i will 1x resubmit and then delate the image and wait for better days. I think most of us know the capability of our own photos and we all want to tap the full potential.

" If you like your work and are happy with what you have created, then you've already won" ........ I sign that statement John!!
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Your point about only resubmitting an image once, and if it still isn't getting the recognition it deserves you delete it and "wait for better day"... is an excellent idea, Renos! I can't count the number of credits I've used in resubmitting images I thought were truly worthy of a high score. I submitted an image a few days ago that started out 0-4, resubmitted it and it went to 14-2. The next morning it had lost 10 out of 12 duels, to what I thought were inferior shots, so I resubmitted again...and again...and again...and finally gave up and deleted it. It had more than ten comments on it extolling it's worth and yet it wasn't even in the top 30.

I sometimes feel like there is this grand plot by Pixoto to only post a majority of losing votes on what is perceived by most to be an excellent image, just so you will have to spend credits to resubmit. I say this in jest, of course, but it is discouraging. And again, I really do like your idea of just one resubmit. Makes all the sense in the world!
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Just a couple of months ago, I used to upload around 10 photos daily and give them a try in the duels. Sure, not all got awards, but I did just fine. I am not a landscape photographer or an animals photographer so I don't expect scores in the 700s, but scores in the 600s was pretty common for me. Now, I upload a couple daily; that's it. The amount of duels they receive is shamefully low. And as Renos states above, resubmitting seems to be pointless. Agreed! I've burned through thousands of credits over the past few weeks playing the "resubmit game". This seems to be the new "normal". The old "normal" seems to be gone.

If I was new here I would find this site extremely discouraging and I would be disappointed. John used those words and I agree completely.
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I used to think that the number of duels happening so rapidly was related to the image score. Lately I haven't been so sure. I've seen 700 photos gain that status in a few hours, 600 photos take a day or two, same with 500s. Anything lower lounges there and won't advance much regardless of being Pro or boosting.

However....today I'm not so sure that analysis is correct. I've watched a 10-0 photo in a competitive category sit for two hours with no more duels. Have that many participants dropped out so that we don't have the volume of participants voting any more?
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That's why I asked Jason to provide any available information as far as how many total duels/votes are being done daily nowadays and then compare it with numbers from say April of this year. That would be a good indicator as to how active people are right now. It should be total votes regardless of daily contests or challenges. Distribution between those might be different but knowing total number of daily votes we can easily tell if it is just downtime. However, if number of total votes is very similar then the reason for all this must be the distribution between daily contests and challenges.
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I'm sure they have the answer to this question, but I'm not sure we will hear it. If it's a lack of participation I'm not sure I would give that information to the sites most rabid users and risk further erosion.
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This is not the first summer Pixoto exists. It is the first summer for me on Pixoto, so I don't know if summer is typically a downtime and similar issue has been experienced last year or the years before. Maybe some of Pixoto veterans can weight in on that too. If the numbers are smaller, I think many people will accept the fact that it is just downtime and things will improve come September, but if numbers are the same and the issue is the distribution of votes, then Pixoto clearly has some work to do.
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A couple of days ago I quit posting my usual 6 pics a day and was not going to post anymore. Then I decided to post 1 a day so I could tell when things changed. Today I tried a 3 duel boost at 9:30 am and it still has not dueled since then. It seems when you boost, things stop almost immediately, today it is worse than ever. However if you do not boost you get paused almost immediately. Jason please let us know what you are doing to fix this.... I feel the same as all the rest of us hardcore pixoto photographers. I don't mind losing, I mind losing without a chance.

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