Any answer to the "Photographer of the Year" issue ?

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Its near the end of November and still no mention of the "Photographer of the Year" issue ? are we going to get an answer or are we just going to accidental slip into December and oh its too late to do anything now !

Sorry if i sound a bit cynical but this issue is mentioned every year and was started early in September well before the end of the year?
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Hi Ralph, I will ask about this and let you know when I get reply.
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Ralph, I don't know if you saw the suggestion I made months ago concerning Best Photographers of the Year award, but it was basically fueled by your suggestion with some compromise thrown in, in hopes of satisfying those whose images receive top scoring averages for the year, as well as those togs who are ranked highly in player contribution as evidenced by their point standing.

In it's simplest form, and it may just be a repeat of what you suggested, Pixoto would still tabulate the top twenty togs in each category with highest top ten scoring average. The only change would be in the red banner, which would now read "Best images of the Year."

A second banner would be awarded (I suggested gold) and this would be the new Best Photographers of the Year award. It would encompass the top twenty "contributors" based on their yearly point standing, which can be found, though not easily under top contributors.

This suggestion, to me, seems as if it would satisfy those who have had the good fortune of shooting some exceptional images that have scored extremely high, but who may not be as involved in the site as others. It should also satisfy those who enter almost daily and have put in the hard work of submitting top ten scoring images for the day, week and month, thus resulting in their top twenty contributor standings. It will also revive renewed interest in player position, which is now called contributor position, which Pixoto has touted so heavily since it's exception.

Like you, Ralph, have heard nothing more about this suggestion, but hope springs eternal, and just maybe you'll get an answer before we're into the new year.
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Completely agree John the top images are deserving of an award but as images and the top players are a separate entity.

Jason did say back in late September or early October i don't remember which that he would make a decision in November ? so there is still hope slim but hope ?

We can just wait
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Hi Ralph and John, we will announce the decision in first week of December.
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Hi, Jasenka! The first week in December will be over in a matter of hours and wondering if Jason, et al, have come to a decision on Ralph Harvey's long standing question concerning the difference between Best Photographers of the Year, and how they are picked, and Best Photos of the Year. I would also be interested in my suggestion above concerning Best Photographers of the Year being culled from Top Contributors of the year in each category, with status given as well to the top scoring photos of the year in each category.

I think you all understand that this question of how to most equitably pick Best Photographers of the Year vis-a-vis Best Photos of the Year is not going to go away without a definitive answer from Pixoto Staff, and it would be nice to get a final decision on it before the ball drops in Times Square and another new year is upon us
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Hi John, I'm sorry about delay. We will announce the decision soon.
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Thanks for reminding me John, I guess we will just have to wait again,
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After much deliberation, hemming, hawing, screaming, squabbling, crying, laughing, and general contention we have decided that the Photographer of the Year awards will be assigned based on POINTS.

I'd be happy to discuss our reasons if you anybody is curious....
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Thanks for posting the results of your deliberations on this topic, Jason. I'm sure your decision won't make everyone happy, but I personally think it is the most equitable one.

On a side note, sorry you had to go through all the hemming, hawing, screaming, squabbling, laughing and general contention, but then again, it kind of goes with the job. It's especially tough to make these kind of decisions when you have to deal with the various inflated egos of photographers. So kudos to you and the Team!
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Does it mean that we must put a lot of pictures in running for scores,
means that the important quantity not quality,can not be the same that ranks photographer who has 100 photos with 1000 points and photographer who has 1000 photos and 1100 points , does that mean that the latter better ranked in the end ?
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So how are we to find where we stand, bc i have no clue, and honestly to change it at the end of the year just seems wrong- if a person who submits 100's of images wins over a person who submits a handful of great ones- that just makes no sense in even trying.
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Dejan, neither the photographer with 100 photos with 1000 points or the one with 1000 photos and 1100 points are going to be anywhere near the top 20 in their category, since they are only averaging 10 points and 1.1 points per photo, respectively. In order to be in the top 20 in any category at year's end, one must consistently submit QUALITY photos that earn top ten points on a weekly and monthly basis.
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I have to agree with Dejan in terms of the quantity vs quality ... The title is "Best Photographers of the Year" and not "Best Contributers of the Year". I personally would go with John Larson's suggestion of two banners, or else keep it as is.
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OK - so here is the reason we decided to go this way.  
- We reviewed the photographers who were on the top of the contributor leaderboard for last year and those who won the "best photographer of the year" badge.  In over 80% of cases these photographers were THE SAME.  The reason is this is the case is that contributor leaderboard is heavily biased towards people who win the top 10 awards monthly and most importantly yearly.  Annual awards for large categories can be several hundred thousand points each (number of images submitted in the whole category for the year multiplied by 6)
- This was not the case when we started the top 20 images method in 2011 at that time top 5%, top 10%, and top 20% where all over weighted in the leaderboard so we were totally biased towards people who submitted thousands of photos.  The new method (introduced in 2012) fixed that.
- The top 20 images method is difficult to explain.  While it makes sense to us it was just one more thing that made Pixoto complicated.  Used the leaderboard is much easier to justify.

Just to reiterate - it's simpler, it's clearer, its fairer and ultimately it gets to about the same result.  


Dejan and :-]  to answer you question more specifically: I think both methods strike a balance between quantity and quality.  Ultimately they get to about the same result.
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how can we find where we stand for the year please?
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You can find current standings here:  http://www.pixoto.com/players-photography/all/leading/in-year-2014

However, you can expect that to change after we assign annual image awards given how important they are to the final totals.
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thank you
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Thank You Jason and team this is in my opinion the best result, that said will you give some award to the top Photographs as well like John suggested ?
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I think the point is that the two methods yield pretty much the same people.  For example in Animals last year you and I think one other photographer were the only ones who were on the top of the leaderboard but didn't get a badge.  Giving two sets of badges would just confuse things.
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if I understand it nice, this method is used to select the top 20 photographers, and I'm interested in whether this method applies equally well to the photographer No1 at the end of the year?
So, what decide who will be the best photographer (No1) in the category,the total number of points or something else?
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Hi Dejan, I have asked about this and I will let you know when I get reply.
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The standings for Illustration and design is not showing correctly.
http://www.pixoto.com/players-illustr...
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Thank you Dipali for reporting. I will forward it to the management.
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it would be nice if all the changes around rules settle at the beginning of the year and let us know,
thx

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