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I had a crash a submitted my pics today to test the new categories and duels system. unfortunately I couldn't sit in front of my computer the whole day but what I noticed is: the pics get paused after less than 5 minutes and at the end of the day they get around 200 and a little more points. I hav never seen this. I posted a lot of pics. I think about 7-8, which is a lot, I don't upload 30-40 pics a day like some other " togs", this is ridiculous. But anyway, I can see now, that to get some daily awards I should sit at least 15 hours a day in front of my computer. I won't for sure. I prefer spend my free time taking pictures.
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It is sad but true. And the game is not fair at least in the group-Mobile Instagram. For 90% of the photos no data with which the mobile are photographed so it can be concluded that working in Photoshop and photographed with digital cameras
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So, there are two discussions here. First, the algorithms did not change when the category changes were implemented last week. There should be no difference in the way voting and ImageScore work as a result of the category changes. What might have happened is that like images are much more likely to be grouped together and therefore dueled together due to the improved clarity of the new categories.

The second issue mentioned is that Instagram images are not necessarily created using mobile phone cameras. It is not a rule that Instagram images must be shot with a mobile phone or that it cannot be processed after the fact.
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You may want to get together with Jason on this one.
This is a direct cut from the new category rule set.

Instagram & Mobile – Photos shot with a mobile phone camera. Special effects and compiled images are allowed. We rely on the honor system so if you didn’t shoot it with a mobile phone please don’t submit it to this category. Images may not be used for stock.
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what?" it is not a rule that instagram must be shot with a mobile phone"?
I guess your answer to the second question is in conflict with the rule pixoto set this July
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B...
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exactly John is right, This is what you said in the new categories description, that they have to be shot with a mobile!
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You're right. Sorry about that. I guess the point is that we cannot police this. Instagram images do not include EXIF data and we have no way to verify if it was shot with a mobile or not.
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So, PLEASE, why can't you just separate Instagram from Mobile Photos? Why do they have to be together in one category??? Jason once said that Mobile category would be too small without Instagram. But then I wonder why you create new categories like 'Animals-Dogs' and 'Animals-Cats' with less than 50 photos submitted per day?
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Very good point Mariko. Pixoto keep saying give it time to populate as far as the new categories go but yet they do not want to give the pure photo option any more time. I just don't get it sometimes. I am getting very discouraged.
What Justin seems to be saying as far as Instagram is that they have let loose a monster that they can not control.That does not sound like a good business decision to me. I am starting to lose confidence in Pixoto to be able to make this happen. Sigh......
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@mariko before instagram there were 250-300 images per week already under mobile category. I can provide facts for this one since I have many images winning before the instagram thing.
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Getting back to the original question asked by Michelle, i have been saying for ages that the imags pause frequently and thats why so many points are needed.

I submitted images to check this. this is what happened, i loaded the images at 1.01 am as soon as it loaded i had the boost button there, got up at 8.45 am and had to booste again, then again at 10.15 and 1.23, i was out in the afternoon but boosted again at 7.58 when i got backand again 10.05 in the evening, so thats 70 points each image so far, after that i didnt keep track but bearing in mind the awards were not decided untill 4.00 the following afternoon, the number of points would be double that ! at least

so to stand any chance of getting in the top 10 places you need a dam good image and at least 150 points per image and thats just for day 1, if you want to get in to the top 10 for the week its that each day, plus points for each new image, plus enough to keep it up there all week ! as for the month thats how many points you have to earn now ? i lost count !!!

of course you could just go pro and get "100 duels guarenteed and no pauses" as you advertise it

And as for submitting loads we need to submit as many as the top players do or we are not going to keep up are we ?
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Makes sense to me Ralph. Free is not always free. If they made it the same for pro and free what would be the point in paying money for the service and how would they pay for maintaining the site?
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I have no problem with you getting a better deal as a "Pro" member but do they have to make it so hard for the rest of us ?

And as for paying for the site there is advertisments running you pros dont have to watch them of course, and the deal with instigram must have helped or they would have got rid of it i suspect ? (may be wrong i know)

But the new points system was supposed to make it fair, it will increase the top players and do very little for the lower ones, who mostly are not "pro" members i also suspect. It will be of an advantage to people who can submit lots of good images, and will hinder anyone who is not quite that good yet because they are just outside the top 10

So the cream will be helped to rise further and

The not so good will get a little pat on the back

Whilst the not very good yet will be left behind,
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Out of these groups where are the majority of pros going to be

Just my thoughts i would love to be proved wrong !!
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I am curious Ralph. What advantages other than having 100 duels do you think the Pros have? And just what makes it so hard for the rest other than having to vote many times to get the same amount of duels? People who submit good images will always have an advantage because they are good photos, not because they are "pro"
You have more awards than any one I know on pixoto, you have made "Best photographer of the year " for 2011 and you are not pro. Please continue to tell the rest of us how "Hard" it is for you and how much better I have it. Your not the only one that has a green man inside of him Ralph. :)
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being a pro is not an advantage- its terrible! You are dualed so slow- there's no way to reach award level in time. They strech those 100 duals out over the whole week and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. It sucks! Going pro makes you stop winning awards. I can't tell you how many times I'll submit on saturday night and by monday day- I'm stuck at around 38 duals with a score of under 500. You get to sit and watch helplessly as the days slip past and around friday- you finally reach 99 and are at 598. Stuck again. Saturday morning- you finally hit 100 duals and the boost button shows up. You have all of 6 hours to boost as much as possible and maybe hit 625... which slides back down below 600 right before they start the next week.
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true
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that is true!
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in my experience I don't need a pro account to raise my photos to the top ten or even win the top spot. since pro account has been introduce I think I've won 8 or more number 1s
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I am sorry if i offend, i do not mean to, and i know this issue of pro will never realy be dealt with but it is not all about pro,?

The new points system was supposed to be "fairer" because the members who get where they are by submitting loads of images and getting points from 10 & 20% awards will not now be able to climb the leader board rather it will be the members who get the top 10 places who will climb higher faster, thats not going to help the lower ranked players who havnt quite got the tallent yet it will help the top ranked players and yes hopefully that will continue to be me !

But my opinion is about everyone not just me and i dont think its fair to the lower ranked players ?

And heres another point ? an image that is submitted on Saturday at 1:00 will be elegable for awards for that days play but it will need to hold its place for about 11 days to get a weekly award, if an image is submitted at 12:00 on saturday it still has to do well one day for that days award but only has to maintain its score for 3 daays to get a weekly award ?

Which is the better image the one who dose well for 11 days or the one who was only there for 3 but toppled the other at the last minute and why is that fair ?

Im calm really.......honest
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Ok, Here is an analogy for you. You are in a race. A 26 mile marathon that you have trained for 10 years to be able to win. You start the race and you are ahead for 25 and 3/4 miles but at the last minute a guy who has only been training for 6 months and is not as experienced as you pull ahead and wins the race. Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not but it is the nature of things and you don't want to mess with nature or bad things happen. Look what happened to Bruce Banner when he messed with natural order of things. :) But seriously Ralph I respect your opinions but don't always agree with them. But that is what makes the world interesting. Be well.
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That is what makes this a great site, we all have an oppinion and not always the same, so we discuss it !

I agree with your analogy the only difference is they are both running a 26 mile race, here we are running a weekly competition but some run for 11 days and some only 3, however a week is 7 days ?
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now I understand what Ralph means with doing so many duels to get the credits we need to unpause. I never had this before, at least not every 2-5 minutes. The other problem is, my pics are not paused on my page, so I have to go to the main page of the category to see them paused.
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I can see where that would be a real pain. Have you noticed if winning photos get paused less than losing ones? I wonder how many duels need to be lost before a photo gets paused and if that number could be increased in the algorithm. Seems like a lot of people are complaining about this so I think it would be worth looking into.
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No I didn't really had time to look at everything. I had 3 days without computer and now I try to update all my photo sites, e-mails and facebook but I will have a look this afternoon. But is it not normal that winning photos get paused less than losing ones?
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Yikes, 3 days? In today's world it is hard to be off the net fr that long.
As for the pause thing I would think it would be normal. But I have learned not to assume anything.
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yes, it was hard. It was not only 3 days without internet but also without computer. I had to re-install everything. good that I save my pictures on an external hard disk as well. by now I don't see anything "not normal" with the pause. Maybe it's because I stopped to watch at the duels like how many wins how many losses. Lost against what etc. It was too frustrating
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Last night 1:03 i uploaded 9 images, not a lot ? thats 90 points
As soon as they were uploaded i boosted because it was there thats another 90 points
By 1.12 i had to boost 7 again and unpause 1 thats 75 points
at 1.14 i had to booste the last 2 another 20 points
in 11 mins i had to use 275 points !, this morning i had to booste them all again and the 5 best from the day before because i need to keep them up the leader board another 140 points total 415 points in a few hours ? we havnt even got to the end of day 1 yet !

Times that by 7 days a week to get the weekly awards and as for the month i tend to leave it to chance i have enough trouble getting through a week !

Is that Fair ? i dont think so ! but i also agree that pro should get a slightly better deal than us, as you are paying ! i just dont think it should be this dificult for the rest of us !

And now if like several of mine have done recently you end up in 11, 12, 13th place the points are rediculously low, lower place images are not really worth all the effort ?

I dont enter images that i think are not quite good enough but they will do for a few points, i enter all mine because i think they are good enough to win, sometimes it seems to be suggested ( not necessarily of mine) that lower ranked images are there just to rack up the points ? But its just there are some better than mine !
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Ralph. Do you have any suggestions on how to make things more fair for those not paying and also make it worth someone paying money for the service?
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Everyone knows it takes a while for images to settle, this is the point where boosting and unpausing takes its toll ?

why not guarentee everyone 15 or 20 duels but you still get the 100 duels which helps you more with the week and maybe the month,

you still get the stats and download backups and other odd bits which we dont ?

a fair start for all and then its up to us thats all i would like.?
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This is funny. As you were typing this I was responding to another thread with the almost same answer. http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...

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Great minds think alike. :)
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next its the powers to be who need convincing, then one day the world :)
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I researched my photos that were being paused to see if it was because they were loosing duals- they were not. They were winning at least half. Some were winning at least 2/3.

What seems wrong to me is you pay 10 points to get 5 more duals- but the pause you again after 3 more. You boost again. And are paused after 4 more duals. Where are the other 3 duals I paid for? And how many duals do you get when you submit a photo? 3? All I know is the number of duals you buy should be used up before they can pause you.

I started as a non pro. After 2 weeks I tried going pro for the month. Seemed worth the $8 bucks. Seemed good at first- but I stopped winning awards so when the month ran out- I canceled pro membership. I was non pro until the new categories came out- when they did- my pro benefits suddenly turned back on by its self and my photos scored lower than they ever have. Its all confusing.

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