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Six by Dinesh Pandey and four by Renos Hadjikyriacou! Whatever happened to the three limit rule, or was I just dreaming that?
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Good catch -- that just isn't right. I'm sure it's supposed to be three at a time, including both open and in the voting process. You're not supposed to be able to even create a fourth if you already have three active ones.

And that Relaxing Places challenge is driving me bonkers. It's dominating the duels. No wonder the duels are slow for the regular uploads.
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This is an easy problem to solve. They need to severely limit these contests. Should be a max for the year. And make it retro so Brittney and Cecilia's are used up already. Same sh!t contests over and over. Enough with Anything Goes or Enter Whatever the F You Want, so I can't get more points.
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We've been through this, surely its limited to only 3 per person at a time? Why and how do some people have more than three challenges being voted on right now?

The large number of challenges allowed spoil the site. I think one per person at a time, from starting to ending is more than enough to be honest.
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Isn't the rule - limit of three open contests which therefore excludes those in voting mode.
If I remember correctly, several of us pointed out previously that this would happen.
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This is why the voting is so low. why vote everyday when all you have to do is start a challenge. Now if you don't put your photo in early you wont get enough image duels to be able to compete in a daily contest. So it looks like we are back to square one with these challenges.
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So, if I may ask, isn't this really a way to create bypass the normal duel voting so that people like Carl actually gets some stiff competition?

Or in general, give new folks a chance to complete against the best without favoritism?

Guess what I'm really asking here is what is the significance of these rouge contests?
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It has nothing to do with bypassing anything. Contests are separate from Pixoto's own daily, weekly and monthly awards. Its just a way for people to host their own little competition. The dueling for these contests doesn't contribute to your images' score or rating.

The problem it does create however, is it prevents more duels from showing up in voting as contests need to be voted on as well. There are just way too many side contests. One of the reasons people create contests is that it gives them upload credits. Your earn one credit for every image entered into your contest. So people see it as an easy way to earn credits. They start making contests that are too broad (ex. Enter anything you want). Some people abuse the system and create redundant and unnecessary contests.

I'm not following you on the favoritism thing. Not sure what you mean but I don't think it comes into play here. Who's Carl?
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Just adding to that.......I've been here since 2013 and until you started mentioning Carl repeatedly here in the forum, I'd never heard of him either :-)
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I think Carl is a fictious character in redwars head.....presumably for example purposes, but who knows......
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Re above, I believe redwar has now stated who Carl is so I apologise for suggesting he was just a made up character.
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I put up a photo yesterday afternoon, almost 24 hours ago. It's had 22 duels. It's chugging along, but didn't win a daily award. Normally I would then delete it, but at 22 duels, it's too early to tell. Also, I have a photo that did really well, posted yesterday afternoon after the one I mentioned, and it only has 31 duels. Photos I posted last night have around 25 duels from then until now.

Sloooooooooooooooowww! It's got to be the challenges, taking over the duels. It makes me remember something I've wondered about before .... if there should be two duelling systems available for us instead of one like we have now, one specially created just for the challenges -- of course, that could be a programming nightmare. But if it could be done, I think it might help.
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Great idea Lenore ! Hope Pixoto/ Jason seriously considers this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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or they stop people being able to have more than three challenges running from strart to voting end, that's what we asked for initially and should be a lot easier and quicker for Pixoto to do.
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I put a photo up a few minutes ago. It's already had 20 duels (and is paused). Yet an image from yesterday afternoon is stuck at 22 duels, and one that won a good award only has 31 duels? Weird.
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I wondering what kind of volume this is creating on the servers.

Lenore, welcome to the party. This has been going on for over two weeks now.

Mine are finally bubbling up to the 600s but it is a very painfull thing to watch.
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I delete VERY quickly. Since I'm not a Pro member, my images get paused. I will unpause them, but usually only once. If they get paused again, out they go -- it's not their day. If something is going along quite nicely but doesn't win a daily award, I usually will either delete it, or resubmit it. I don't give my images the chance to slowly rise up :-)
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I give mine a chance Lenore, but delete if they don't get to a certain score.
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The last time we had a major slowdown in voting I suggested putting limits on a monthly or bi-monthly basis as to how many challenges a member may post. What we got was a limiting of three challenges being moderated at the same time by one individual, which obviously turned out to be a joke since togs know they can abuse the rules and nothing will be done.

It's also a very poor business decisiion on Pixoto's part, since all one has to do to acquire a large cache of credits is to post some dopey random challenge (I think all the colors in the color spectrum have been used at least a half dozen times). This keeps them from voting, which hurts all togs who are actually interested in seeing how their work stacks up against the rest of the Pixoto membership, as flawed as the voting system is. It also keeps members, who don't have time to vote, from buying credits...so for members and management alike, this challenges fiasco needs a major rethink and overhaul.
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Agree with you John,to me the community challenge does nothing for the site, except slow the voting and let those who know how to manipulate get free credits for very poor challenges. I've never been a fan of these challenges, less so when every second duel was that on a challenge.
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I'm sorry, but aren't you doing the same thing to me that you're complaining they are doing to this site?
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While I totally agree with you. I think the entire site needs to be overhauled.

If Pixoto is a place where photographers can showcase their work and at the same time get recognition for their best efforts, then that should be the focus of the site and no one should be allowed to use the site to gang up on the rest of us or monopolize the site as they have done here.

It is one thing to be recognized as great photographer. Its quite another thing to make the rest of us feel small and less worthy. Carl should start his own fan club. with 3839 followers and charge admission.
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Again I don't know who Carl is but I doubt he's the root of all Pixoto problems. This particular issue with Contests can be fixed easily. They just need to severely limit the number of challenges. Perhaps individual limits and an overall limit to how many the site can handle at once.
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Sorry, Carl Sieswono Purwanto. He has 3989 followers and his images are always at the very top of the leaderboard. He and others in almost every category have manipulated Pixoto so it is now their site.
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That seems a bit strong. He just produces images that people seem to respond to. Little heavy on flowers for my liking. He was only #6 for the year in Flowers so he can't be that powerful. Followers doesn't mean anything here.
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Thank you for information John, we will check it,and we will also check imageduels allocation.
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Bear in mind that the Pixoto sponsored contest - relaxing places/landscapes has over 7,000 entries needing over 154,000 duels!
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True. Which also means that it isn't some user-created challenge messing up the duels, but Pixoto itself! :-)
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Should have added - to be completed by 3rd May.
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Hi John, I have checked contests of user's you mention and it looks like voting dates overlapped on some but submission dates didn't, so at any given time these users were having only 3 contests open for submission.

I hope this helps.

(We will still check duels allocations)
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thank you, Jasenka, but the fact remains, if we had a realistic allocation for number of duels per month or every two months, we would not have this problem of overlapping.
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Several of us pointed out this potential problem when the rules were changed but present problem has been made worse with the present Pixoto contest with over 7,000 entries requiring over 154,000 duels by 3rd May.
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Can I ask if its three from start up the start of voting, or three from start to the end of voting? If its the former then people can, and we know will, have more than three running. I suggest it should be three only from start to finish. Only as one announces the winner can they then start a new one.
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I agree with and support your suggestion, Terry. I uploaded an image this morning and after about 4 hours only had 11 duels with a win ration of 8:3 in its favour, suggesting more duels.
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Thank you all for your feedback. The problem right now is definately of our own making. We scheduled a Landscapes (the largest category on Pixoto) contest to end near the end of the month. From now on we will not schedule our own promoted challenges to end anywhere near the end of the month. We're sorry about that.

I have sent an email to a small, but active, set of our members to request assistance in getting through the backlog. The last time I did this we were deluged with votes - so I expect this issue to be resolved in the next few hours.
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Surely with this size of contest a slowing down of daily duels would happen whatever time of the month such a sponsored contest is set up.
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The high volume of contest duels is very frustrating! Yesterday when I voted, there was no contest duels and you could see the effect on the category duels immediately (I suspect it was due to the intervention Jason refers to). Today we are back to the normal ratio of every second to third duel for contests.
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Team Pixoto i hope you're going to consider and give action to my suggestion. To eradicate all the problems regarding voting system why you don't create another voting button for the challenges that are going on so that it will not affect the dueling system of the normal contest that we have. In this case members can vote to any contest with out affecting the other contest. Hope you people understand my simple solution.
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The good news, as of this moment, is that there are only 8844 more duels left for the Pixoto Relaxing Places challenge until it is finally over and done! I voted for over an hour last night and every 2nd or 3rd duel was for this challenge...what fun!
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its running that every third duel is a challenge.......

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