20- 30 image duels lost and no win with nice picture???

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how is possible to loose once 30, now almost 20 image duels and maybe 1 win, with a nice picture?
I can understand some people vote casually, I can understand at one point the duels are with better pictures, but all negative I find strange
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maybe you have entered it in the wrong category......?
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thanks, for the answer. No, it happen after I get over 600 image score. At one moment I get only loose and I find difficult to understand so many! Last night I was 632 points with 30 boosts remaining. I was there for few days, between 640-630. I got up this morning and it was 603 with no more boosts and no 1 duel won!
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try re-submitting it..sometimes that changes the voting pattern..I guess it depends who's behind the computer at the time you post it..
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Thanks, I still have more than 600 points, I just find strange because is not the first time! Last night I was 632 points with 30 boosts remaining (I was there for few days, between 640-630). I got up this morning and it was 603 with no more boosts and no 1 duel won!
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Alberto - same thing happened to me. I submitted my A Darker Valentine - to my great pleasure it got to 699 with a win loss ratio of 2:1. I figured I'd boost it just to see if could crack the magic 700 and..... Bad choice it's now in a death spiral of almost straight losses 4 boosts later and straight down to 667. When I boosted it, the image was No.2 for the week - the number 1 was just ahead but had many, many more duels (180+) and a worse win loss ratio. I didn't get how that image could get so many duels when mine started strong from voting and just kept going, right up until 699. Something doesn't feel right
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I can't understand too. I have a picture of sunrise with 40 more win than loss and only 544 points. I duel this image 350 times for see what can happen, but nothing,I had same win than same loss and same points like when it was 100 win and 50 lost almost (I can't remember well, but I remember that the difference was huge). Thanks for unswer Dark Reid.
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This also happens with me, my score would either be around 698 or 699, when i decide to boost the score drops. Lol

i have winter tree that had score of 699 decided to boost... it has now got image score of 661. So much of the ''boost'' lol
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Which is interesting, isn't it, since a boost give you what? 3 additional duels? How could three duels in later voting, which is supposed to slow down and count for less each time, drop your score by 30 points? If you won 3 duels in a row, you can bet your score wouldn't go UP 30 points...
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This seems to happen all the time.... I don't understand it either... Personally, my opinion is that there are a bunch of cheaters on this site who vote down the competition and vote up the images of their friends. Not sure why the win would mean much to them if it's ill-gotten, but I guess some folks have no integrity. I can see a few "off" votes happening now and again, but to have an image that is doing really well suddenly nose-dive? Or to have a very good image lose multiple times to absolute crap defies statistical possibilities. For instance, how can one submit an image that loses its first 10 out of 15 duels, then re-submit it, and have it become #1 with a high score? Yes, something isn't right there...

Unfortunately, until Pixoto makes public each person's vote, we will probably never establish whether there are teams of voters on this site who are working together to get high scores. But I'd bet the house that there are... Pixoto doesn't seem to care, when they *should* care very much, because their livelihood rides on the notion that the BEST images will win...
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It seems statistically impossible for an image with a score over 600 to lose 20 duels in a row...
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I agree once the image peaks I understand 1:1 win loss from that point - but no way a pure loss streak.
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I think I found the image- Ontario Parliament buildings? (yay Ontario!). I don't see that you've lost 20 in a row at any point. I can see the complete duel history if you would like me to screenshot it for you?
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Out of your last 20, you won 11 duels.
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yes please, that one is a picture that at one point I start to loose without reason. The picture I'm talking about today is http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...
Which had a lot of compliments even from Canon official page.
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Try re-submitting your score might change.
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I assume Pixoto analyse data and trends and operate a black list. I would certainly expect it given this is a data driven business (hence the duelling algorythm)
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they might but are they acting upon it? I doubt it...
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I give the team a lot of credit for running the site. At it's core it's still very good. I do like the idea of the leaderboard only showing images after the weekly awards have been published. That's a great idea
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In reality - why do we need to know who is leading, except to take some action against our competition? Its *nice* to know where we stand, but the only reason this makes a difference in terms of scoring is for those who would do the wrong thing...
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Agreed, I like the way you and Aya are thinking.
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Your most recent duels
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Thanks, but in my profile I have 81 wins from when I had 70 something losses, now the losses are 92. I'm pretty sure about it and I find again strange when I see your screenshots with that greens( in the first there are 2). So finally the point, is that when the pictures reach more than 600 points, the image duels are only with really top pictures? In this 36 pictures there are not many should be under 600 points.
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I posted a shot of a pere david deer standing in water for the 31st of January. I posted it on the evening of the 30th. When I went to bed that night, it had a score of 696 and was in second place in animals. When I awoke in the morning and checked my scores, it had, at one point during the night, suffered 14 of 15 lost consecutive duels and dropped to 668 and out of top 10 contention. I wound up #5 for the day but still was the highest number of consecutive losses I think a shot of mine has ever suffered. Supposedly as one gets up into the higher scores you are duelled with much higher quality images. Looking at my losses, and of course I'm a bit biased towards my own, but it left me feeling like there might have been voter manipulation or down voting involved in some of the cases, and I'm not sure how Pixoto will ever be able to fix that problem.

So for those of you who have gone through the same agony of seeing your scores drop dramatically, and in many cases to inferior images, let's hope that there is some fix on the horizon to make people, and even regions of the world where voter fraud seems rampant, responsible for their actions, and not just being banned from voting for an hour.
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they tried to fix this with a warning popping up when people vote down but it seems to have many flaws. I can only agree with the fact that, once a picture gets high in the rating it looks as if there is some sort of -/- attack..have at least the same suspicion as it happens to me too.
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It's happened to me a lot of times.
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so, maybe indeed stop publishing yesterday's and today's ranked pictures on the leaderboard. That way nobody can see which pictures are high in the ranking and give some people a reason to vote against it..?
It's worth a try.. ;-)
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Make it after the weekly awards are published - non pro accounts can duel very slowly
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is the staff reading this or should we put this in the ideabox? :-)
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Hi Aya, yes, we are reading this, and I have already forward it :)
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Hello Alberto, sometime image overshoot position that it should be on leaderboard with some early wins and then the image plays against better images and begins to lose. That's why more duels = more accuracy.
Also images with higher imagescore will duel better images to find their position on leaderboard.
As you can see from screenshot Sandra has posted you had some wins and some losses in your last 30 duels.

Hope this helps.
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Hello Jasenka, thanks for the explanation. I don't agree to what you say. I can understand that maybe talking about a picture i shoot I could be not partial at all, but who decide that my picture is overshoot when a lot of top picture are made in post production and are about colors and not composition. To place a picture is not fair to make it challenge with only much higher score, come on 20 looses and 0 wins, I m sure last night I already had 81 wins. I have to say that usually the position and the points of my picture are the ones they deserve, but unfortunately people who vote, as in this new style, they look only to colors and effects! Anyway I asked to delete this picture so i try to upload again, I'm not a photographer, I like to shoot and I want to improve as much as I can, and at same time, if finally I get a nice shoot I would like to be considered correctly. I have a question about why if I upload pictures sometimes they are not doing any duel, so I can't make points?

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