2013 leading player accumulates almost two million points in less than 6 months

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How is it possible that the leading player this year has almost 2,000,000 points? How did he accumulate so many points in less than 6 months.
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Hello Dennis, with out knowing which Player you are talking about, all I can say is that they must be submitting a lot of photos that earn very high image scores.
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I think he is talking about this profile: http://www.pixoto.com/hendri.suhandi.9
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As I said above, photos that earn very high scores and a lot of them.
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Uros is correct. It is Hendri Suhandi. Don't get me wrong, he is an incredible photographer who scores very high points. I score fairly high points myself, (not as high as him of course) but have earned only about 9000 points against 240 photos in 2013. Hendri had scored 1.9 million points against 250 photos as of yesterday. That is a tremendous difference. I just don't get it.
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I think there are certain categories which score high than others. Some of them are Landscape,Nature,Animals, Portraits. I saw that the above mentioned user has submitted in Landscape and very good ones, that may be the reason he has so many points.
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Great Answer Dipali S and correct :)
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Everything Dipali says is true. That would certainly account for some of the difference. But consider this....based on my stats over the past 2 1/2 years, I score higher than 90% of the photographers on this site. But with a similar number of posts this year, Hendri has scored nearly 2 million points more than me. This is not sour grapes on my part, nor do I pretend to be as talented as Hendri, I'm just trying to understand how there can be this much of a difference in the point total. I accept Dipali's answer in part, but find it hard to believe that it would account for the entire disparity. Again, my only point here is to try and have a better understanding of the scoring. I'm sorry to say that so far, this hasn't really helped. Are there any other reasons that would explain the difference in points earned?
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How do you tell how many points that a photog has earned this year? All I can see is an overall points total, and I assumed that included all points since he began on the site.
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Choose Top Players and then filter by 2013, it will show only points earned this year. http://www.pixoto.com/players-photogr...
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This option magical disappeared today from my profile :)
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UroŇ°, from your profile page, click Leaderboar, change "Top image" to "Top players" chose timeframe and you'll get there ;)
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Aha, thank you ... this is something new ... before was option "Top Players" out in the open in the same line that LEADERBOARD :)
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Ok, this is getting ridiculous ...

Is this the reason how you can get the high scores and become the top ranked photographer on Pixoto ... and I think that there are more images like this on his page (you should really look closely the whole profile, I can not access to all images) ...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...

I think you should start considering those things as cheating!

Knowing language or not ... we all know what we are doing here!!!
And it is not the lonelly case as we all know the lily mania ...
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And this is not the first case ... I have reported at least two or three duplicates on his page ... from this year ... and images were deleted ...

So he can not say, that he doesn't know what he is doing ...
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Hendri just posts basically the same type of pictures over and over again, there is little variance in his photos and after looking at one or two I got bored. As the largest group of members comes from Indonesia, they tend to vote for their own over and over again.
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Hi Christian....I agree with your comment here..I am fast becoming very frustrated with the way there seems to be a voting block from Indonesia...my images often start well in the landscape category then very quickly they start to loose to most of the Indonesian entries or at least against what I believe are inferior images...ego aside, I believe there is cheating going on...some of their images are very good however, as you say, they become very tedious with little variation
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what I can see is that all the togs with huge amount of points and awards post a LOT of duplicates and mostly they have 2-3 subjects in all variations. The pictures are nice what what a lack of creativity.
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Dipali S touched another point. Categories with lots of submitted photos has more votes and gives more points to winner. Try to make categories in the way that each category will have approximately the same number of submitted photos during the month/year
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To what purpose? The categories are independent. Just because you accumulate less points in a smaller category does not mean you will automatically have a lower ranking in that category. All other players in that category will have the same points scale. You can't compare across categories, and there is no "overall" award or prize. You can be number one in one category, no. 12 in another...but if you are no.1 overall, all it means is you probably submit to a larger category...nothing more and you will receive no recognition for this. Pixoto has repeatedly stated that you cannot compare points between categories for placement, as a brilliant photographer in a small category like Animals - Cats could well have a lower score than a mediocre photographer in Animals or Landscape.

You should not use points accumulated to judge anyone's work actually, as some submit thousands of images a week and accumulate high scores on low awards. Others submit 1 or 2 a week and get high awards, but can't compete with the volume of awards the other has. So the better photographer would be ranked lower in the leaderboard. That's why the photographer of the year awards are based on the 10 best images a photographer has in a given subject.
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Agreed Darrell. I submit primarily to babies & children, and then just play in other categories for fun.
Compariing my scores, after only being on pixoto about 5 months, my highest ranked babies photos got between 500-800 for a daily #1 award, and several others between #2-#10 of the day scoring only about 150-250 points, compared to my only top 10 in people, being a #9 of the day scoring almost 1000 points.

In weekly top 10% in People, and in Nature I scored almost 400 points, where my weekly 5% for babies is only about 200 points, and weekly top 10% is only about 100 points.

A monthly top 10% in People or Nature scores between 1600-1800 points, where a monthly top 5% in babies is about 1000 points, and monthly top 10% is more like 500 points.

So, if I was only looking at points as a measure, it would be better to get a daily top 10% in nature than a daily top 10 in babies, however, it's not just about the points!!! It's about sharing your work with others, getting new ideas and improving within your own specialty.

For some though, it is about finding a formula that works (water lilies) and repeating that theme (water lilies) over and over just to get points. I much prefer variety, and I LOVE it when a baby photo or even a cat photo shows up on that overall main leaderboard I see when I open pixoto. There are only so many ways to view a water lily.
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Dear Darrell, thank you for the copy-paste note.
Dear Sandra, frankly I do not count points. For me there is not natural to separate babies/children from family, as well as dogs and cats from all other animals. In my opinion cats and dogs are pets as well as some other animals. I used to have a dog and a cat who were always together, even cat was sleeping on dog, and I it will be nice to be able to put photograph of dog and cat together playing or fighting, but in the case of separated categories there is a question where to put them. Also, there are dogs and pet-birds who use to play together. There is the same dilemma.
About babies - are they not a part of the family?
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What copy-paste note? Feel free to show me where I "copied" any of my message from....
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Dear Darrell, please look to Response # 1 and # 7
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Babica ... The # 1 comment is "Promoted Response" (what means that it got more than 3 "stars") ... it's not copy paste ... it's just exposed for a reason ...
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Response Number One:
"EMPLOYEE
Sherry Andreason (Customer) 7 days ago
Hello Dennis, with out knowing which Player you are talking about, all I can say is that they must be submitting a lot of photos that earn very high image scores."
Response Number Seven:
"Dennis 6 days ago
Everything Dipali says is true. That would certainly account for some of the difference. But consider this....based on my stats over the past 2 1/2 years, I score higher than 90% of the photographers on this site. But with a similar number of posts this year, Hendri has scored nearly 2 million points more than me. This is not sour grapes on my part, nor do I pretend to be as talented as Hendri, I'm just trying to understand how there can be this much of a difference in the point total. I accept Dipali's answer in part, but find it hard to believe that it would account for the entire disparity. Again, my only point here is to try and have a better understanding of the scoring. I'm sorry to say that so far, this hasn't really helped. Are there any other reasons that would explain the difference in points earned?"

I don't see your point? If you are referring to my post being on the page twice, any response that has been promoted will always show twice on the page, once in the original position and then in the promoted position. Does not require any copy-paste from me...it's how the forum works.
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Lol, since we all wrote the same thing at the same time, I'm removing mine :D :D
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All got quick trigger fingers today :p
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