Vote rigging - general

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I wanted to comment on Uncut Gems https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5727208/ and found all commenting had been moved to here! Personally I didn't like the movie, some of my friends did but most didn't. So I would rate it 4 or 5 out of 10. I had a look at the breakdowns and saw that 23 of the top 1000 had rated it 1/10. Whilst I don't like the movie - it's not 1/10 by any standard. So I can only conclude that these top 1000 users are attempting to downgrade the movie score to what they think it should be. Is this voting manipulation any different from the thousands that voted it 10/10 which it clearly isn't. 

So my question is - do IMDB voters just want the film to have the score they want it to? And if it doesn't they will change their vote to make it so? 
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Posted 4 months ago

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That question will not get any reply other than this......Ratings FAQ
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Some users voted 1/10 for a well-reviewed movie, so these votes must be fake. Can you remove them?

Everyone watching a movie or show brings their own personal history and tastes, which factor into how a user votes on a title. Just because many critics or other IMDb users enjoyed a particular title, does not mean everyone felt the same way. Vice versa, supposedly “bad” titles can receive good ratings, as critical and popular opinion often diverge.

Our weighted average attempts to reduce this effect. The concept of the wisdom of the crowd (i.e. the collective opinion of a large group of individuals rather than of a single expert) comes into play here, which is why we believe all IMDb users should be able to vote as they feel on the 1 - 10 scale.


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I'm talking about attempts to manipulate votes not the way that IMDB algorithms handle it. Be great to get opinions from other users rather than being shut down by a self appointed jumped up prick. 
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I don't know how anyone gets to a vote of 1. I can't imagine sitting through a title that bad, and I refuse to cast a vote for something I don't finish.

I can imagine people are trying to downgrade some title they dislike, or have some prejudice toward. Someone on this forum actively encourages the downvote of a particular 1939 classic film. 

I wonder how many of the Top 1000 vote like that. After all, how did they accrue enough ratings to be among the Top 1000? IMDb doesn't reveal what it takes to achieve Top 1000. And I don't think I'd advocate restricting it to people who've been long-time members and voted gradually, since legitimate ratings could just be transferred from another source in rapid succession.

I _do_ wish the Top 1000 were Top 10,000 or Top 10%.
Top 1000 Voters should be expanded to Top 10%, or ...
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I hear you. For big movies like Uncut Gems there are enough fans to make the score probably correct for most people. It's smaller films that suffer. I think top 1000 should not be able to vote less than 5. 'With great power comes great responsibility' ha ha. But seriously - wonder how many good independent fims have low scores just because top 1000 voters have decided to vote 1/10 just to see the score go down?
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21 of 292 out of the top 1000 must dislike Adam Sandler as much as I do. Thinking that the top 1000 should have a restriction? WOW!

And this absurd statement of yours. Really.

wonder how many good independent fims [sic] have low scores just because top 1000 voters have decided to vote 1/10 just to see the score go down?
Now I do rate certain titles by who stars in them sometimes with a low number because of that actors one dimensional performances. But I do not ever rate anything usually below a 4. But there are exceptions. If Woody Allen and Adam Sandler were in the same picture, I might give it a 1!

Oh and I am nowhere near the top 1000. I'm not that stingy with my enthusiasm on ratings.


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So you're saying that if woody allen and adam sandler were in a film together you would rate it 1/10 irrespective of the quality. I guess your influence would be negligible as it would be unable to skew the score as I would expect any film starring them both together would have a high profile and be popular. But if it weren't as high profile or popular rating 1/10 would lower it - even if it was well produced. I would say that top 1000 voters should only be able to score the film less than 5 if the film has acquired a certain number of votes - say 10,000. That would keep the pompous ones from skewing scores
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So you're saying that your influence is negligible. Because your spewing nonsense here.
What do you hope to accomplish here?
Whatever it is, it will eventually be Zero.
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I was hoping to have a debate with members of this forum and not be continuously shut down by a self appointed prick.

I believe the more an IMDB member votes the greater the likelihood they will be voting to make the score what they think it should be as opposed to a new voter or one that just comes on the site to express an opinion. I think 'ownership' comes into it. (a bit like you thinking you own this site)

For example someone in the top 1000 would feel they they have some ownership over the platform and its scores - so if they see a score they don't like they will give it a 1/10 in an attempt to drive it down to what they want it to be  - as opposed to voting how they actually see the film which might me a 5/10. 


Newer fans or those that just want to express an opinion would likely vote more honestly.
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I'm not sure that most Top 1000 voters know they are in that cluster. It's not so easy to confirm you are there, and it's likely a fluid designation for those at the bottom of the vote-count.

I suspect that all of us use the existing rating to influence our vote from time to time. When I don't have a strong opinion, I might vote WITH (or toward) the existing average, at least on titles that have few votes.