Updates to List Pages

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Today (Dec 6) we are announcing an update to the List pages on the IMDb desktop experience. This update is part of the broader site changes announced recently (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0). After in-depth discussion and examination, we have decided to simplify the features and functionality for lists. We have merged “compact view” and list editing into a single Edit experience. In that one view, you can now modify your text and add, copy, delete and move items. We have also pulled List actions (edit, export, settings) together into a 1-click menu (the 3 vertical dots on the top right of the page). You will now also find two new options in the Refine menu: ‘In Theaters’ and ‘Keywords.’  Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view; we appreciate your understanding. For more information about Lists, see the IMDb Help Center.
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How can I effortlessly move a new entry on a very long list (lets say number 550) to page 3, position 250. Before the change, it was easy as I could just go to page 3 in edit mode, add it there and drag it to the exact position where I want it. But now it always puts new entries to the very end of the list.
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If regular lists can have added refine features, why can't the ratings list have any?
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Didn't get a reply to this. It's an honest question.
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You probably want an official reply, as do I.

An interesting tidbit that emerged somewhere in this thread: the Ratings are in a separate "system" than the lists. That's why adding the personal rating column back into the Export is taking so much longer than the director, release date and url did.

I also wonder why the presentation of the Refine options is so different on Watchlist & Checkin than on custom lists. And why is their Export option down at the bottom of the page instead of under a 3-dot button at top? These notions have nothing to do with back-end infrastructure. Unless they are designed to hide the fact that we have fewer Refine options on WL and C, which could be due to backend data structure. 
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Thanks. I have no particular understanding of the technical issues, it just seems odd.
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We recognize that this isn't ideal, particularly for those with many lists, and we plan to iteratively update it as this is an important piece of the IMDb experience.
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@sv, Official Rep

Please clarify to what you were responding in this comment:
http://email.getsatisfaction.com/wf/click?upn=Gf15zKkQ5xF-2FJchx2RlboEZCOWJo71NP9bexmc7o9m-2Bb0WYK-2...

We recognize that this isn't ideal, particularly for those with many lists, and we plan to iteratively update it as this is an important piece of the IMDb experience.
It is attached to Peter's reply: 
If regular lists can have added refine features, why can't the ratings list have any?
To which I also had a lengthy comment/question about Refine options looking very different on custom lists versus Watchlist and Checkins.
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The edit options appears to be broken. I'm not able to rearrange my list now. We used to be able to click and drag titles.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled They changed the way lists are made.

They changed the way lists are made. I put all of my lists in alphabetical order, but now I can't do that. I can't figure out a way to move list items around and they got rid of viewing the list in alphabetical order. Why would they do that?
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Okay, they just added back the ability to view it in alphabetical order. But still, I would like to be able to move list items around effortlessly. Not have to type in a number. One of my lists is 1,000+ entries long and I'm not even done making it. I can't go back and forth to see which number a new entry would be, that takes five years, when it uses to take 4 seconds. At the very least I GUESS I could ask people in the list description to view the list in alphabetical, but I would much rather have it already be in that order thanks to me.
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When you view a list in alpha order, they provide numbers. That's new and possibly helpful.

Then again, if you're trying to be old-school with the alphabetizing, and ignore the leading A and The, you will just need to page through your list in Edit mode to find the homes for the new additions.

If we can't have drag and drop back, then I think it would be helpful if hitting <Enter> while in the Position box would trigger a Save Reordered List, rather than having to scroll up to the top where that link is. And this would be just like the Advanced Search, where <Enter> within a free response box triggers the Search to commence.

(I actually alphabetized a 50-entry list before posting this, and found the alpha-order copy I had tiled in a second window was too cumbersome to scroll through, because it doesn't have compact mode!!!)
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Jack, I found that frustrating too that we could no longer click and drag, but instead had to type the numbers. More frustrating is now I can't move item around at all. I can add movies to a list, but it automatically goes to the end and can't be rearranged. Are you still able to make such modifications by typing the number?
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I just Edited my list of 1781 titles, and moved the last entry to position 1681. HOWEVER, it did NOTHING if I left the comma in the number. It ONLY moved when I deleted the comma.
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Yeah, I eventually figured this out on my own, but thanks for the reply. It just seems intuitive to type edit the number in the format they had. I was editing a long list myself and I was in the 900s when the click-and-drag format left, so initially I did the number thing when I didn't have to worry about a comma. It was once I surpassed 1000 that things became problematic.
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Any chance we can edit the fields that are exported to Excel?  I really appreciated being able to sort by Director and by Release Date, but those fields no longer appear in the export.
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I definitely used both those fields in Excel, especially the full Release Date, not just the Year.
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Me too.
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Those fields are NOT of interest to me but my rating is. Impossible to tell from exported lists what titles I've rated or not rated.
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The drag-and-drop system worked perfectly and very easily but now it's gone because of tech constraints. Why was there ever a need to change the lists in the first place? There was nothing wrong with the way the lists worked before. And "simplifying" the lists created problems where there were none before now. You also forgot to mention about getting rid of the "views" feature on the lists.
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I can't believe they drastically changed the lists feature. That was my favorite thing on the site. They are horrible now. The drag and drop feature was so easy to use. Why would I want manually type in numbers. So disappointed with this change.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The Views on my lists are Gone.

I really Liked that Feature,  but ever since a recent update to the site, that wonderful amazing feature is completely gone. Another Issue is that I can not edit properly anymore, I am no longer able to move a movie or tv show up or down when editing a list. I do not like the new setup for the lists. It's very annoying to use. The old setup was easier to use and more likable to use. 
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I don't know what the typical use case for the list feature actually is.

All I have is a list designed to be read by other people and where my comments are an integral part (so I never use compact mode or any of that stuff). My list is/was popular by IMDb standards (but I suppose nobody will know that now the view counter has gone!).

Without being able to validate myself with e-popularity on imdb.com, what can I do with my life? Drugs? Is that what you want, IMDb?

Seriously, though, it does seem to me that IMDb gains more than I do out of my use of the site. I've been toying with the idea of self-hosting my list ever since the message board fiasco and I think this is a good time to get off my butt and do it.
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Very nice to be able to sort the list in Edit mode, so I can edit the latest add from a Title page without going 5 pages down.

These may be bugs in Edit mode:

1) after selecting some titles, then click Copy To, Select a List. I cannot find an option to create a new list.

2) the browser tab only says IMDb, not 'list name' - IMDb. Since Edit mode is where I can view the most compact list, I expect to be there a lot, and have multiple tabs open, the list name can be helpful.

3) (this looks deliberate) the big DONE button no longer saves all open boxes. It asks if you want to discard your changes.

4) Although you can add a title from any page, if you aren't on the last page, you don't see the added title. If this is deliberate, then we need a LAST PAGE link in Edit Mode. (I tried sorting by date added, most recent first. Adding a title to that page didn't display the new addition, because it would have to be the new first title.)
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Export not longer sends Your Rating data!
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When using export function you get the original Title and not the AKA title for your specific country that you have chosen in the main setup. Mening that the title name in listing function and export is not the same. This needs to be fixt as all other things listed by user bderoes above.
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I miss the single line compact view so much I decided to just export my data & use/manage my own database from now on. Thus avoiding any future downgrades being forced upon me. That's when I noticed that my ratings (Your Rating) aren't exported in the CSV file!?!?

I'm just hoping this is an oversight by the developers & not a conscious decision by management to try & keep people locked in to this service that's becoming less useful with every update. I'm afraid if I haven't got access to data I've input, that's what it's starting to look like.
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I don't think IMDb has acknowledged our reports of missing columns from the new List Export.

You can still retrieve your ratings on spreadsheet, though, because that Export has not changed.

Then learn to use the Excel (and Open Office) vlookup() function to merge them together, preferably with the title id not the title itself as some movies reuse titles,  

OR, procrastinate trying to merge the data, and hope IMDb restores the List Export to include your rating.
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FYI: You may need to sort the ratings spreadsheet by title ID.  Excel's vlookup() function requires that the index key for the source list is in numeric or alphabetic order.
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Actually, not. There's a 4th parameter, and when set to 0 (false), it finds the target in an unordered list. Effective in both Excel and Open Office.
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The drag-drop was the nicest list feature; an absolute necessity as it saved a lot of time.
Also, please fix the problem with the "enter" being not recognised, as my lists look pretty much ruined now. Thank you.
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Some of these changes are really poor. The drag-drop is gone and was incredibly handy, views are gone and it's still not possible to move an item from page 3 to page 1 easily within the same list. Also still need a refine function for ratings, the only workaround is to advanced search films you've seen. Ratings could do with more sort options.
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How was it easy to move a title from page 3 to page 1 before? Wouldn't you have to go to the title's page 3 location and enter a new location number? You can do that now.

Frankly, the addition of sorting ability WITHIN Edit mode gives more speed for editing items currently at the end of a long list, since you can just reverse the order of the list instead of slogging to the last page, one page at a time.
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I said it's still not a feature to easily move something from page 3 to 1
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Well, it seems better to me. On the prior system, when I put in the new location number, sometimes it would go and sometimes not. Today the few I've done have gone correctly.

How would you design the system to make it easy? 
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Well, it seems better to me. On the prior system, when I put in the new location number, sometimes it would go and sometimes not. Today the few I've done have gone correctly. 
It also seems to register a change immediately (no lagging). At least that aspect is improved. Just imagine the endless frustration if they left the previous "sometimes the change will register and sometimes not" with drag-and-drop removed.
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Yeah the number changing was temperamental before.

"How would you design the system to make it easy?"

Endless scrolling in edit mode only so I can load my whole list and then drag and drop from/to anywhere, or a drag and drop in the older compact style edit mode with bare minimum info that isn't likely to freeze.
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Can't reorder items on a list. Can't use simple formatting on a list. :(
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You can reorder using the numbers. We 'only' lost drag/drop.

I suspect the formatting of descriptions is a bug that'll be fixed, since they replied to an early poster that they were looking into it.
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The numbers are a dreadful means of reordering a list. If you want to reorder more than one item at once, then you need to calculate how the items above will affect its positioning. And that's when the numbers system even registers, which, for me, is practically never.
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I _think_ the number reordering is reliable now. I've only done a few, but none have balked, while I did some earlier this week that wouldn't go until the nth try.

And yes, you either need to start with the bottom-most move first and work your way up, or Save a few changes at a time. I too used drag/drop for close moves because of that.

On the plus side, I love having the title link active in edit mode. Many a time I've added a title and needed to look at that title while still editing.
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I know the numbers work. But if you have a list that is more than 15 options it's quite time-consuming.
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The only thing I wanted improving in terms of list management was making it easier to move, for example, item 406 to position 1102. And you couldn't even do that correctly. We sacrificed drag and drop in order to gain... what, exactly? My list of over 1300 items still doesn't feel any easier to reorder (and reordering is an essential part of my whole project).

Sure, the new interface looks better. That's almost objectively true. It massively increases the width of the comment space, which is great in my case. There are some good and overdue changes here but it's hard to get excited when we've lost more than we've gained. 

I'm probably unique in that the removal of the view counter still bothers me more than anything else. Restore that and I can just about accept the rest. I'm in friendly competition with other people with similar lists and the view counter thing has wrecked all the fun.
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I agree that the view counter had value. Every once in a while I thought it was time to dump a certain list, but found it was still being accessed. Now I'm blind on that.

Under the prior version, I found reordering by number very unreliable. The few tries I made today were spot on, vast improvements over the sometimes it goes, sometimes not of old.

I just moved an item from 213 to 51 and it did the right thing. What are you doing that gets bad results?
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After further experimentation, I have to agree that I'm finding the results of long-distance movement more reliable and predictable than before. I still think the loss of drag and drop is an annoyance for short-distance reorganisation - for some people, this might be massive - but moving a few items up and down was never where list management truly sucked.

Now I just want my damn view counter back!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.

Bert,

It appears that the title search for episodes no longer works for title polls.

I was able to add episodes to a title list by using the title ID of the episode.

For example:
Test: Can One Still Enter Episode Titles
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls027355779/

Regardless, the search function does not currently recognize:
  • Episode Titles
  • The title ID embedded in a link
Note: I am a long time user of IMDb, not a staff member.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.
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I only started doing lists this year, but one list relied on the ability to add episode titles. It's a disappointment and handicap to me now that that ability is gone. 
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it's not gone. my how-to post appears RIGHT under this at the moment. Here's a copy/paste of the gist:

On the title page of an episode, the + icon still brings up my lists, from which I could add the title.

Pasting the code tt0583484 into the add box and hitting enter brought up the title of the episode, which I could then add.

I agree that searching in Edit mode doesn't work at the moment.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Changes to Lists.

The list function recently changed, and it is definitely for the worst. The layout is hideous and counterintuitive, and you've made it significantly harder to move change the list order. Furthermore, adding items to the list has been changed in such a way that makes it more inconvenient. I spend a lot of time using the list function on your site, but these new changes make me want to stop using it. I don't know why you did it, but it's really frustrating and if you insist on keeping it the way it is (which you really, really shouldn't), I would at least like to know why.
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Thanks for the feedback.  This change is part of a large number of updates going live at the moment.  For an explanation, please see https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb rating order.

Yeah, you've finally done it. The advanced title search used to give us the perfect IMDb rating order. But, some time ago, you've change it, and the movies with the same rating number begun to appear in popularity order. At least on the personal lists we still had the perfect IMDb rating order. But now you've change the lists too, and like the advanced title search, now the movies with the same rating number are appearing in popularity order instead of IMDb rating order. And that sucks, cause there is a great difference between a 6.9 movie wich is closer to 7.0 and one which is closer to 6.8. I can't believe that you simply lost the knowledge on how to bring us a perfect IMDb rating order. My lists and my searches will now go all to Letterboxd, a much smaller site, but one that can do the basic: give us movies with a accurate rating order.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled List and Ratings Sorting System stripped.

Previously, when viewing your ratings or lists you would be able to organize titles by year, name, recently rated, ect., as well as apply filters such as, "Only feature films", but now the system has been stripped back and very minimal for no apparent reason. You are no longer able to view titles in a compact order, which now makes it challenging for me to look through titles because i have so many rated. I would like it to go back to the way it was before the seemingly unnecessary changes.
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Please see the "Refine" option at the top of each list.  For example:



Other searches, filters, sorts and views for lists and ratings are available via advanced title search at http://www.imdb.com/search/title
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Both on my own list, and while reading the lists of others, there were two modes I used:
*Alphabetical order.
*Order by birth date.

Now I can't use either one, and can no longer make sense of lists. 
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Thanks for the feedback.  You can still sort in this order using advanced name search at http://www.imdb.com/search/name -- see the "Lists" section towards the bottom of the page; other filter and sort options are available too (and results can be bookmarked). 
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Sorting the specific user's list and sorting your own name search--are two VERY different options.
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The list pages were fine the way they were before.  Also, there was no reason for you to shut down the character lists.
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The character feature has been retired so it was not possible to retain character lists, sorry.  Please see https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/changes-to-imdb-characters
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We're probably all just complaining about nothing anyway. Lists will be going the way of the message boards as soon as Amazon/IMDb decides that they don't add enough monetary value to the site. I'm actually still surprised that they made such sweeping changes to the list system when deletion has always seemed more likely.

I back my list up weekly because I genuinely expect it to disappear.

One thing nobody seems to be bringing up is this:
Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view...
This is just false. If you wanted to support it, you could. There is no magical technical constraint that suddenly makes the old Javascript sorting system unworkable. I've done everything from developing websites for large pharmaceutical companies to professional x86 assembly programming. I know that this is nonsense.
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By the way, the yellow bar on the right top side "Rated X of Y titles" is gone too now or was it just moved somewhere else?
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Dan Dassow,

Your suggestion is superb!

I find that it also works to have the list= last, as in
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&lists=ls052183003

Now if someone knew enough javascript to take this
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&lists=

and tack on the list id when we're sitting at 
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls052183003/

to create the 1st url, THEN we'd have something worth bookmarking.
I'm inspired by the one-liner
javascript:location.href='http://web.archive.org/save/'+location.href
which is a 1-line script you can bookmark to submit a page you're on to the Wayback Machine for archiving.
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Thanks, bderoes! Clever and very useful.
I'm inspired by the one-liner
javascript:location.href='http://web.archive.org/save/'+location.href
which is a 1-line script you can bookmark to submit a page you're on to the Wayback Machine for archiving.
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Interesting.
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Dan Dassow

Just to be clear, I found that javascript at the Wayback site (actually, they referred us to another site which had that cataloged.) 

Maybe someone who follows this discussion will know how to use javascript to extract the list id from http://www.imdb.com/list/ls052183003/
so the new script would look something like
javascript:location.href='http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&lists='+listIDextraction
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I am not a huge fan of this change-up. You took away the character category for building a list. Why? I've enjoyed seeing how many people viewed my lists, but thats been taken away. Why? And reordering my lists has become much more complicated by taking away the ability to drag and drop. Why? Please give an explanation to why you did all this? I've been making lists for about 4 years and have over 800 lists on my page. I consider this a hobby, or a way to pass time. I'd suggest going back to the old way, or add those to make this new update better. 
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This is horrendous.

The drag and drop function was incredibly important to how I use the lists because I actually like to be able to reorder them. Even if the numbers function worked properly (which in my experience, it never does - it only seems to register that you've typed a number in maybe 1/10 of the time), you'd still have to keep track of how many items you'd placed higher up or moved lower down and add/subtract accordingly in your head when moving more than one item at once.

Oh, and as well as the numbers never registering for me, the entire system seems bugged for me now because I'm unable to add new items to lists. I can type words into the search bar and it opens a search box with no results.
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Hi, I've realised that the problem is that I was searching for an episode of a TV show rather than a movie or TV series. It now appears to be impossible to add individual episodes of a show to a list because they don't seem to appear in searches. Is this correct or is it just a problem at my end?
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You can still add them. For now, you have to look them up first in a standard search, and paste the title id (ex: tt0019726, visible in url of a title page) in the Add Title search box. You might have to hit enter to get it search for the title.

Hopefully they'll fix the Add Title to find TV episodes and Short films.
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Hi Chris Dynamo,

FYI: Col is not short for Colonel, but for Colin. I made the same mistake a few years ago when IMDb was founded.

bderoes
Hopefully they'll fix the Add Title to find TV episodes and Short films.
I fully agree.
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Attn: Dan Dassow and ACT_1. True. Well, Chris Dynamo is probably being facetious, I'm afraid.
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My humor detection algorithm appears to be malfunctioning. ;-)
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Patrick Gordon-Brown

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I was in the middle of creating a long list when this change happened overnight.  Adding some titles is easier but with others is much harder.  If you go to add a film and start typing it gives you several choices, but unlike the previous search method it shows you a limited number, and I can't find a way of making the choice wider.  This particularly hinders when adding films with short titles.  First problem was with the film Z (1969), which didn't come up in the options offered.  Also Daniel (1983) didn't appear.  The 1938 version of Holiday didn't show up, but did when I typed in the alternate title of Unconventional Linda (though it showed as Holiday!) 
I'm pretty good with alternate titles but the way this works has stumped me on a few.
Also you don't see the films being added unless you go back into the list again.  So if you've picked the wrong film and got another with the same title it is much more laborious than before in removing and replacing it.
For foreign films you need to guess the title that will come up, e.g. French or an English translation.  I typed in Gueule d'Amour and despite being a unique title it didn't come up.  

Luckily you've not changed the version on my iPhone (yet, and please don't!) where the search feature is much better.
Frankly not the sort of "improvement" I'd like to see IMDb doing.
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Nicholas Wheatley

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If you can't find the film you want, add the film to your watchlist and then you use the move to option to move it to the list you want it in.  To see the films added in you have to go right to the end of the list to see it added in. 
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bderoes, Champion

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If you're on the title page, instead of adding to Watchlist, just hold over that button until your lists show, and add it directly to your List.

Another way to see it is added to your list is to Sort your list in Reverse list order, whether you're in Edit mode or regular view mode.
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Angelo Pilla

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My points about the extremely important necessity of an accurate IMDb rating order, which is now gone from the personal lists:
1. Most people don't know that the results are not accurate and will rely on them, oblivious to the fact that all the movies with the same rating number will appear in POPULARITY order. You should at least put a warning like "the IMDb rating results are not completely accurate anymore"
2. When I search for movies with the same rating number in IMDb rating order (for example, the best movies with 6.9), I will simply get a result in POPULARITY order. Do you think it is ok that I look for results in one given order and get results in an entirely different order? And again, most people don't know that they will receive a result that is wrong.
3. Can you imagine if the search for movies in alphabetical order would put all the movies beggining with A in popularity order instead of an accurate alphabetical order? Well, it is the same thing. Just as wrong.
4. I simply can't believe that you guys just LOST the software that used to give a perfectly accurate rating order in IMDb good old days, which is definitely gone. 

(sorry for my english)