Ungentlemanly Disagreement

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How do I alert you to an utterly erroneous "uncredited" attribution? To wit: for Gentleman's Agreement, y'all list the novelist (Laura Z. Hobson) as uncredited. In fact, she is credited ABOVE THE TITLE (it's set out as "Laura Z. Hobson's Gentlemen's Agreement). That's an egregious error.

As Y'all seem to ignore changes presented to you with citations, I expect even if you had an explicit form for this kind of change, you would ignore it. But I see no way in the form for such a correction. Oh well, at least it fits the rest of your lousy interface.
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I'm pretty sure that wouldn't usually count as a credit, although it is effectively saying "based on the novel by Laura Z. Hobson" but it'd really have to say this in the credits. Which is why, I assume, your submissions are being rejected.

It is tricky and is, presumably a grey area - I'd personally say that is good enough to count as a creator credit, but we'd need to get some input from staff (or another contributor who has worked on similar cases).
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A while ago, I was auditing some of the "Agatha Christie - Poirot" episodes and in one case I changed (writer) to (short story) and added a 1.1.1 order number. I included the following :
Explanation: The only on-screen credit for Agatha Christie is in the title "Agatha Christie's Poirot". However she did write the short story with this title, so I am entering that as the attribute. Please let me know if this is not the correct way of entering this credit,
IMDb accepted this change, so I assumed they felt is was a valid 'on-screen credit'.

However, I can see that the credit has been changed to (uncredited) and the order number changed to 3.1.1 (with the only other credit changed from 2.1.1 to 1.1.1), so it appears they also don't consider it a valid credit.

A very grey area indeed.
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Indeed - I suspect people's agents are a little more on-the-ball these days about ensuring proper on-screen credits, but there will be a whole swathe of earlier titles are probably in this limbo.

Perhaps staff might want to chip in on this, as it'd be good to get it resolved for future submissions. If nothing arises here I'll try and remember to start a thread on the CH forum and see if that gets an official answer.
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Indeed, because there isn't an explicit writing credit neither in the opening nor closing credits, Laura Z. Hobson's credit is labelled as "uncredited". After all, "Laura Z. Hobson's Gentlemen's Agreement" could just as well refer to a director or producer credit.

In order for her to be listed without the "uncredited" attribute, there would need to be a title card reading something like "based on the novel by Laura Z. Hobson" or similar.
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Thanks for the official line on this, and welcome to GS - always nice to see new staff decloak ;)
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But I think you'll find those alternatives would nearly always say instead something like:

_Name of Producer_ Presents
A _Name of Director_ Film [or A Film by _Name of Director_]

Start out with _Name of Someone_'s
_Name of Movie_
and I bet it's essentially always the author of the source material that's the _Someone_.

Don't know what Guild rules would apply now, or whether any at all applied in 1947, but that's my bet.