Uncredited Thanks???

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How in the world does somebody qualify to get an uncredited Thanks listing in the Crew section of a film?  I noticed there are 2 of them for "Mission Impossible - Fallout" and had never seen such a thing before.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4912910/reference

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You are right,  it is pretty funny.



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"Uncredited' thanks credits are no longer accepted, and all existing examples of this type of credit are in the process of being removed."

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/thanks-credits/GKF85GHXYPL6H6NC?ref_=helpms_helpart_inline#

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The 2 credits will probably get removed soon.
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Jim Schramm...thanks (uncredited)
James Alexander Waller...the producers wish to thank (uncredited)
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Mission Impossible - Fallout
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4912910/reference

Not listed :

Jim Schramm ... thanks (uncredited)
James Alexander Waller ... the producers wish to thank (uncredited)
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The only case I've encountered in my 9 years on IMDb was a mistake which happened due to a misplaced credit, so I imagine that a re-check might actually find these two names elsewehere in the credits roll, near thanks credits. 

That said, if IMDb will absolutely rule that YouTube description credits common in music video nowadays are only eligible as "(uncredited)" that will produce some uncredited special thanks entries.  
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Nope.  I was smart enough to check both their IMDb pages AND the credits.  It looks highly likely they both added themselves and I think it is ridiculous that they would be allowed to do that.

If it was an older title, I would figure it was just an oversight from a long time ago but IMDb accepted those submissions for a major film released just one year ago.  Maybe I am wrong but the cynical side of me doubts that uncredited Thanks credits are really going to be purged from the system any day now.  :D
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Brett: I believe "in the process of being removed" refers to the time when that policy was instituted. As I mention below, IMDb did allow uncredited thanks in the past, but all the ones that I knew of before the policy was changed were in fact removed. I guess a few other uncredited thanks have snuck back in since then.
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Jim Schramm
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9959367/

Mini Bio
Jim Schramm is a entrepreneur and a visionary.
He controls an estimated 70% of all up-front media in Hollywood.
He has theatrically released over 80 feature films
with some being independent films and others being studio films (service deals).
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Filmography
Thanks: Movie (10 credits)
2020 What About Love (thanks) (completed)
2018 Aquaman (thanks)
2018 Crazy Rich Asians (thanks)
2018 The Equalizer 2 (thanks)
2018 Mission: Impossible - Fallout (thanks - uncredited)
2018 Tomb Raider (thanks)
2017 Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (thanks)
2017 xXx: Return of Xander Cage (thanks)
2015 Field of Lost Shoes (thanks)
2013/I Phantom (thanks)
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I just want to thank all of the people on GS for their help. (This was an uncredited and unsolicited crediting.)
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Brett: The policy about not accepting uncredited "thanks" credits was instituted a few years ago. If you see any such credits, you should feel free to submit a "delete" for them, because those credits don't make sense.

After all, if someone designs the costumes or coordinates the stunts on a movie but doesn't get credit, the person is an uncredited costume designer or and uncredited stunt coordinator, and similarly for other uncredited occupations. But there's no such occupation as "thankee" that one can be uncredited from. If a person isn't credited on a title as being thanked, they didn't get thanked in a way that IMDb can take notice of.
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gromit82, uncredited special thanks is indeed absurd, except for cases of YouTube music videos which have full credits in the description rather often. I don't think they were mentioned anywhere in the guidelines, but more often then not they are there because workprint version included them, they just deleted them to have a more neatly packed music video. Commercials and music videos are often borderline cases: credits akin to this and this are not that rare to see if screener was directly sourced from the studio, but are totally absent when they're shown in their natural habitat and/or moved to description. 

On most titles, though, uncredited special thanks are as absurd as we can get.  
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Nikolay: For a title like a music video or a commercial, I suppose it might be possible for an uncredited thanks listing to be allowed ... but that's because those titles usually have no credits or hardly any credits on screen at all, and most of the major credits, such as directors, editors, cinematographers, etc., have to be sourced from somewhere else too. Nevertheless, it would be helpful if IMDb would clarify that by policy. (When music videos and commercials began to be accepted into the database, we didn't get much policy guidance as to where contributors were to source the credits from.)

But I'm glad that we agree that for a feature film which has a complete roster of credits listed on screen, uncredited thanks listings should not be allowed at all.
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Hi, everybody:

If the numbers of my hasty search are correct, as of 10 Aug 2019 there are only 188 uncredited thanks entries in the whole database, including the two credits in Mission: Impossible - Fallout (tt4912910) mentioned by Brett.



Interestingly, while the current highest ttconsts are around tt10780000, none of the titles that list uncredited thanks credits have ttconsts higher than tt7600974 (c. 2017), so gromit is probably right about most of them being added before the standing policy was instituted, or perhaps editors are more vigilant with regard to this kind of entries in the recent years.

In any case, since uncredited thanks credits...
...are no longer accepted, and all existing examples of this type of credit are in the process of being removed...
...I think it would be advisable that the update form would prevent any user from submitting them so easily.


Either a red warning should be put in place if they're always unacceptable or, as Nikolay suggested, a yellow warning to let the contributor know that uncredited thanks credits are eligible only in certain cases (e.g. YouTube descriptions in music videos).

Cheers!
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ljdoncel, I guess the fact that you somehow have a whole list of those should not surprise me at this point. But it totally does! 

I really wonder why that case that I've mentioned as one I've encountered in 9 years is still there. Not only I've tried numerous times to delete it, I've actually found real credit that was succesfully added (I must admit, the fact that all people in crime still photographs are credited is badass for a studio movie and shows that Rob Zombie really cares about his actors; which should not be surprising since he has a large cast possee of some of the finest character actors ever). 
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Hey, Nikolay!
...the fact that you somehow have a whole list of those should not surprise me at this point. But it totally does!
I don't have any merit. The list is gathered directly from name.filmography.tsv (at public datasets) just by filtering by category and attribute...


I really wonder why that case that I've mentioned as one I've encountered in 9 years is still there.
You're gonna love this!!! It happens that I know the identity of the despicable know-nothing who added that uncredited thanks entry... ... ... ME!!

"Halloween" is one of my favorite sagas and I'm also a big fan of Rob Zombie (misunderstood by many). On 15 May 2016  I did an almost-complete audit of the on-screen credits of Halloween II (2009). At that moment, the current policy on uncredited thanks credits wasn't in force, so when I came across a nonexistent "special thanks" for  Daryl Sabara I simply attached the attribute (uncredited) to the item instead of requesting its deletion.


So, yes...



I've actually found real credit that was succesfully added
You're correct. Daryl Sabara is listed in the on-screen credits:

At that time I wasn't sure which department should those credits go because, according to the guidelines...

...it seems that they could be listed as cast members. I had too many doubts to submit them to the cast list so I preferred not to do so and skipped those names from the audit. Anyway, whether miscellaneous or cast, now I realize that I shouldn't have sent the "cast/not crew verification"...
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ljdoncel, so we were secretly in an edit war? Wow. That's a first. :) I'm glad I brough this up because we could've been in that for years without knowing. We were already for more then a year! 

As gromit82 pointed out, yeah, these probably belong in miscellaneous crew rather then cast and for several good reasons. Firstly, the credits are way below the actual cast and secondly they're for photograph which were ruled to "Other crew" unless they're immediately placed in Cast credits (then they can count as cast credits, with a "credit only" attribute, that is). Moreover I had the official answer by Will on this one, who agreed it might be the most reasonable approach.
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Ljdoncel: Where actors were credited for Halloween II as Crime Scene Stills Cast, my recommendation (even if it doesn't precisely fit the guidelines) would be to list that as a Miscellaneous Crew job rather than a Cast job.

I note that the on-screen credits placed those persons not in the main cast listing, but after the soundtracks listings (which, for most films, tend to appear near the end of the credits). So I think that it would be appropriate to treat them as Miscellaneous Crew, and I notice that all the other Crime Scene Stills Cast members besides Daryl Sabara are already listed there.
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Hi, gromit:

I agree with you. Despite what guidelines read, I had the feeling that those credits fitted better in Miscellaneous rather than Cast, so when I did the audit (when no stills cast members where listed) I preferred not to add them instead of placing them in a wrong department. Unlike me, Nikolay was confident enough to do the right thing and list all the Crime Scene Stills Cast members where they should be...
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Hi all,

(uncredited) thanks credits shouldn't ever be eligible, as thanks credits by their very nature should be credited. In light of this I've removed all of the offending credits that were currently live and put in a block to prevent these from being readded to the thanks section.



I hope this helps.

Thanks,
Will
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That's great, Will! Thank you.