Unable to Contribute Title Despite Sufficient Information

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My contribution (https://contribute.imdb.com/contribution/200114-081443-442000 ) of a missing event in the UFC Fight Night series keeps getting rejected, citing "Lack of supporting evidence" in the "Miscellaneous Link" section, despite that section sporting _three_ independent sources, including the official site of the event. I am not informed in detail on how to correct it further.

Looking at other entries in the series, they have been committed with less information, than I am providing.
Also, if I take it out of the series, and simply create it as a new title as "TV Special", e.g., it will go through. I've done that a couple of times in the past, when faced with this issue, but to continue this practice is inconsistent and incorrect, and just circumventing the problem here.

I have more examples of the same problem (https://contribute.imdb.com/contribution/200114-081508-581000 ), as I am trying to complete the UFC Fight Night series of its omissions on IMDB.

Can anyone advice on how to get this through?


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Looking at other entries in the series, they have been committed with less information, than I am providing.
There is your answer! You are holding up title verification with more information than is necessary. Less or the bare minimum data submitted is the key to getting titles approved.
Too much info delays or outright stops a title from being approved.
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Hi Martin, normally the more data the better. The most important is to have good 3rd party links to evidence the title is real, like facebook, YouTube etc.
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I cannot find a series called "UFC Fight Night" so which series do you mean? There are several series which have UFC in the name but I cannot tell which you might be trying to update.

Note that staff can look up the contributions you refer to but other users cannot.

Is the event you are trying to add actually part of the series you are trying to update or is it just on a similar topic? Is it the same broadcaster? Same crew (e.g. commentators)? Same slot in the schedule?

A link to the series page and a link to one or more of the events you managed to add as a TV Special would probably clarify matters.
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Sorry, the series is called "UFC on FOX" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2278605/episodes ), but comprises all of the different UFC spinoff events, of which the majority are UFC Fight Nights.
Here is one of the entries I managed to get accepted as a TV special instead.

I know users can't browse the specifics of the contributions, but I was also hoping for a reply from IMDB staff.

So all the characteristics that you mention are not necessarily the same for all events, but that has not kept other contributors and reviewers from getting upwards of several hundred episodes accepted under the same series banner.
I just can't seem to get my contributions accepted, despite supplying with at least the same amount of information, and most importantly: I am not told exactly what I need to deliver, that I haven't already done.
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Martin. Owen is ex-staff and a very long time contributor.
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By the official site for the event do you mean something like the pages linked from https://www.foxsports.com/ufc/schedule?season=2019 as that seems to me to be the most relevant for the TV series. If you are providing links like https://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-246-conor then there is nothing there to indicate any link to the Fox Sports series as far as I can see.

I suspect that the data editors reviewing your contribution are not in the USA and do not have access to Fox Sports, probably not followers of UFC either.

It looks as if there are a lot of episodes missing from https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2278605/episodes (nothing later than 2017) and plenty of missing data for the episodes that are there. Makeup department head and lighting board operator are not the most obvious credits to be looking for.

By the way - I was never a data editor, I was in the software team that looks after the contribution system and the tools the data editors use. That was several years ago and things have changed since I retired.
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Referring to Fox Sports directly as the fourth source - as you suggested - seems to have done it. Either that, or I wore out the reviewer.

Yes, there are a lot of holes and recent omissions in the series, which I intend to remedy. What started out as an interest in the evolution of the sport, has now got me going through all UFC events chronologically, and this is how far I've gotten, as of now.

I only supply the most rudimentary information, as it is just sport events after all. Especially no makeup department credits, as the fighters are obviously doing their own (or rather, each other's) makeup :)

I'm grateful for your help.
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I spoke to soon.
After having created two new entries in the series, with the exact same amount of information, both were rejected. Each entry now has the following links for confirmation:
  1. The official UFC page of the event
  2. The official Fox Sports page of the event
  3. A respected 3rd party source in MMA (SherDog)
  4. The Wikipedia page
  5. A Facebook event page
As usual, no details as to why this is inadequate, just "more links detailing the production". There's a limit to how much information you can gather for a sports event, but there's no denying that it happened, considering the links provided. So it deserves an IMDB entry with the limited amount of information available. To fabricate all of the above, in the hope of creating a fake IMDB entry, would carry one of the lowest reward/work ratios for hoaxes on the internet.

It would be good to hear from some IMDb staff a this point, what is actually missing, as it's getting a little ridiculous now.

I'm _really_ trying to help out IMDB here, as I have enjoyed this wonderful resource myself for so many years.
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Wikipedia is unacceptable.
Sherdog may be the same too. Unacceptable.
If you could, pull up the last submission and post a screengrab of the submission page.
We may notice something.
Cheers
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If it stands on its own, I understand Wikipedia would not be enough, but if it's there with four other sources, surely that's corroborating evidence?

All links I provide have a full description of every fighter ("crew") in the event, BTW.

Here's the text of the submission rejection:

"
Needs Attention
More about title statuses

Reason Lack of supporting evidence

There was not enough evidence with your new title contribution for us to approve it and/or verify the attached cast and crew for publication.

To help us verify the existence of this title and the attached cast and crew, you will need to resubmit it with additional information.

Provide one of the following:

  1. In the "Miscellaneous Link" section of the new title submission form, add links to third party sites detailing the production.
  2. In the "Explanation for missing information" box at the top of the new title contribution form, add additional information detailing your case for your title to be listed on IMDb.

You can add this additional information by clicking the resubmit button and returning to your previous contribution.


Please review our title FAQ for more information.
"
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Well .......do what is asked.
Your Misc Link submission is weak.
And it looks like you clicked a box I never use.
Please
Please
Post a screen shot of the submission page with what you have entered.
Will not be able to help if I cannot see the submission.
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I will contest that my Misc Links section is weak, as it is at least as informative as anything else I ever got accepted. Also, I can get this accepted, just by turning it into a TV special instead. Just don't think that would be right.

Here's the screen shot you requested:
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The WHOLE page please.
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Yes, siree:
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I have no idea what page YOU used to submit an episode, but this is the one that I used. The correct one.
It calls for NONE of the info on your page. That is because IMDb already has that stuff on file. URL's & Misc links
Plus I use the K.I.S.S. method on submissions.
Contribution #200121-093829-473000

Feel free to add Other cast and anything else.
Stop checking off the box "to add more data that aren't listed above"
KISS Method. If there is too much info to verify then it keeps the episode from being listed.
Once the title "Is In"
Add more.


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Martin: While submitting this episode, you checked the box marked "Provide an explanation to assist in processing this submission". You don't need to check that box.

In fact, checking that box could make it look like the episode wouldn't qualify for listing otherwise and needs special review by the staff to be accepted.
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Yes, I only checked that box, because the initial rejection asked me to provide more links and/or give an explanation as to why it should be included.

In general, leaving out perfectly valid information, so as not to diminish my chances of getting the contribution accepted, goes against common sense, as well as the direct input (like) from an IMDB employee above.
But we will see how the approach - suggested by Ed above - fares later today, and I will keep you all posted.

Thanks for your comment.
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Rejected again with the same response.

An IMDB employee would be welcome to comment at this point.
What _exactly_ is missing here?