Lists: Offer better selection / control for "Related Lists" feature

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The related user lists for a specific movie has become useless to find similar movies to watch. Even if the movie is very special (for exemple, campy superhero movies from the 60's), the related lists are mostly massive lists such as "movies I watched" with 3000 titles in it. 95% of users lists are not interesting because they are just useful for teh person who created them. There's no common theme, genre or ideas. The problem with the user lists is that they are public by default, so the list section is populated with useless list like "movies I have on my iPhone". And it deosn't help that there's no option to search lists by keyword.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Sort related lists by outgoing clicks.

There are an awful lot of lists along the lines of "Film what I watched", "Stuff to download" (which must be rather galling for film-makers), "My DVD collection", etc. (I have similar lists but keep them private because no one is going to be interested) which are nice to for the person and their nosy friends but of very limited interest to the vast majority of visitors. The ones that could be of general use (like "Best Christmas films" on say "It's a Wonderful Life" - made up example but I'm sure some digging could find some prime examples of this), tend to get buried.

It feels like the related lists need better sorting to separate the signal from the noise and tracking who clicked on from the related lists seems the best measure of a lists relevance to a particular film, rather than trying to concoct some complex algorithm for relevance. However, I'd be even happier if there were a few options that you could use to sort the page (I suppose you could also sort by popularity - either by total visits or by the last 3 days worth, this might favour the larger lists but would also tend to push the personal lists down the page).
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Thanks to whomever merged all the related posts.  Hopefully, this will get the attention of somebody on the IMDb staff and something will be implemented to allow ranking of User Lists.  If we keep posting on this topic, we can keep it active on the forum list.
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(thanks, this was us organising the ideas better on Get Satisfaction for easier future review)
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Why not put forward ideas that are constructive?

I did suggest that a rating system for lists would be useful to direct viewers to relevant lists.


Who's gonna decide what's relevant or not?
The people who view the list will decide.  If the list was interesting to them, they can give it a high rating.  If not, they can give it a low rating.  Just like the movies, it will be averaged out by multiple ratings.


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There is a strong chance that lists would be evaluated more so by what list authors present in the description fields than by the manner in which items are organized within the lists.
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Hi Jeorj Euler

True, that is a valid observation.
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Hi Gord Beacock

Now that's a constructive idea. I previously suggested a similar idea where an IMDb member can vote using the system similar to the one attached to User Reviews. Where one can vote if a list is useful by clicking on the Yes or No box. To my knowledge, this system of voting has not caused conflict among users.
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Hi Jeorj Euler 

You appear to be a rational, intelligent, and well-mannered person. Please do me this favor: All I ask of you is read what I have to say without bias. And derive at your own conclusion. Please, don't base your conclusion solely on the fact that you may be friends with another. I am sure you are well aware an "us versus them" mentality unfortunately does not solve problems. Hopefully you can accept that.

I am very aware Ed was "initially" informing me "... the voting aspect of IMDb system has caused conflict among users." I am not disputing that. The fact is, regardless of what system in the public domain is instated, it "will" cause "varying" degrees of conflict. That is a given. However, one must therefor ascertain to what degree. If it is established the pros outweigh the cons, the system remains. Does anyone really think the experts at IMDb and Amazon will allow such a system if they found it to be detrimental to their business model? Of course not. That is why user reviews remain. Here is another example of this: I am sure you are very aware of the public outcry caused by changes to the IMDb main page. Way more in numbers than that of the user reviews. So why don't they simply resort back to the old page? Because IMDb and Amazon policy makers have established most users accept this change. How did they come to that conclusion? The number of complaints is minuscule when compared to the number of users that actually visit IMDb on a daily basis - who, if they were unhappy, would in all likelihood complain about it and thus push the number of complaints up exponentially. Forcing a change. Or, this unhappiness would translate itself in relation to the number of visits on the IMDb main page itself. Therefor, it is very reasonable to establish that the number of satisfied customers lies in the majority, when based on the evidence at hand. By the way, the very lack of evidence itself in so far as complaints are concerned is ironically evidence itself.

You state "... but Ed has produced more evidence on the relevant subject matter than you have." I am sorry, but the relevant subject matter that has been stated over and over again, "ad naseam", is "solutions". Solutions to problems with user-lists.Though it is obviously necessary to take any potential problems into consideration, the topic of the conversation is not simply pointing that out, but finding "solutions". Surely, anyone reading that must understand what that entails. Therefor, either Ed Jones has misunderstood the question, or simply refuses to do so. Making comparisons to user review complaints and then stating a voting system cannot work, based simply on that observation, is pure conjecture. How can one derive at a steadfast conclusion before the fact? It is impossible. Unless someone has the ability to team-travel, that is. I have already pointed out in my previous paragraph issues regarding complaints and their impact.

And lastly, though there is without a doubt a treasure of information on Get Satisfaction, Get Satisfaction cannot be used solely as a means to decide what changes need or need not be made. It must be used in conjunction with numerous other factors, which must be taken into consideration. One has to look at the bigger picture when making any such decisions.

Anyway Jeorj, if you decided to read through this entire post, thanks for taking the time in doing so.

Peace
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I ask that you not bring up my name if you do not wish me to reply.
Jeorj is intelligent. He and I have had far more heated debates than you and I have had here. But while we may have disagreed, we have never complained about one another, nor "reported" each other to IMDb as trolls. And believe this, it was far less civil than I have been to you. I have been curt but polite all through this "debate" which you let deteriorate into a labeling and name calling festival.

If you'll notice, I have not rebutted anything you just said. I do not need to "this time".
Now all I ask of you is the very same thing you asked of me.
Please cease defaming my good name and attacking my position, it is what you asked of me.
I respectfully ask in return the same.
Thank you
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I have been advised not to enter into any conversations with you. Please respect that from your side.

Thank-you
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Well, we're all intelligent. (Expressing this about somebody is almost meaningless.) Regardless how intelligent we are, I did not intend to get Dr-Faustus to reply the way that he has on the subject of our dear Ed here, which should not even be a subject, but every so often he does become something of a topic. I had also forgotten about, or had never been aware of, the existing tension between the two participants of the forum. Certainly, I should have figured (since there a lot of people here who've been in conflict with Ed, at one time or another), but I lean toward assuming that interpersonal conflicts on forums like this one simply go away after a while. Well, they ought! Roughly-speaking, none of us will ever forget the conflicts we have had with other participants of the forum, but it should not be a reason to stay in perpetual doubt about those with whom we have "fought" or "molested" (or "played games with"), so to speak. I suggest trying to assume good faith, like how Wikipedians try to do.
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Hi there Jeorj Euler

This is in no way intended to start an argument, but I would just like to point a few things out:

Here is a definition of intelligence; "Intelligence has been defined in many ways: the capacity for logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and "problem solving"." What i said, and I quote; "You "appear" to be...intelligent..." Use that in context with the definition given. 

Mentioning "dear" Ed, as you put it, was not something I had planned on doing. However, your previous post, aimed directly for my reading, with my name attached, makes clear mention of Ed. So how can you possibly expect me not to mention him if you directly referred to him in the context of the conversation? That's ridiculous.

I understand you are trying to divert blame to me in starting a conversation about, "you know who". I also stick up for my friends, that's normal. However, a true friend is also willing to tell a friend when he is wrong, or if he doesn't agree to something he has done or said. As mentioned above I asked you to please view this situation without bias.

"Assume good faith" - I agree with that. So let's follow that.

Thanks
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We ought to bear in mind that IMDb lists of IMDb titles are intended to work in the same way as IMDb lists of IMDb names. Unless there is a proposal that the kinds of IMDb lists be treated differently, we should be discussing the organization of "related lists" in general.