Subjective Sexist Keywords

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I anticipate that this will get "kickback" (ready, Ed Jones and other anti-metooers?), but sexist keywords should be unacceptable, especially since they are often synonyms for other acceptable and more prolific keywords.  

Please eliminate: "boobs," "jugs," "tits" as keywords.

Please eliminate such extremely  subjective keywords as "creamy-legs," "desirable-legs," "exquisite-legs," "hot-legs," "pretty-legs," sexy-legs," "slender-legs," "slim-legs," "thin-legs," etc.  Even "legs-to die-for."  (And NONE of these appear in any title with Betty Grable, who probably had the most famous legs in film history!)

Please eliminate such keywords as "babe" (with the understandable exception of "babe-scientist"), "chick" (unless it refers to a small, young bird-the-animal), "hottie," etc.

Most of these are references to people of the female gender.  There are, of course, some that refer to people of the male gender that should be equally unacceptable, i.e. "dick," "prick," etc. instead of "penis."

Resisters may long for "the good old days," but, especially in this "Harvey Weinstein" time, we need to be more cognizant of reality.  Until someone invents a real time machine, there is probably no other way to go back to the past.  We must live in the now and anticipate the future.

P.S. Do "creamy-legs" and "creamy-thighs" refer to skin tone or ejaculate?
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And here's one that is as bad as "legs-to-die-for": "nature's-gift-to-man"!

Come on, IMDb, act on this.  I submit deletions (which are accepted), and THEN they are reestablished!

I think there are only a few contributors causing this problem (including one who particularly seems to like Japanese schoolgirl films).

I don't mean to generalize, but they seem to come from an immature, stereotyped teenage boy attitude.  It's time to grow up.
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Hi Bradley,

Thanks for your message.

What you're asking for is a fairly substantial change to our policy so it isn't something I can just say "Yes I agree and we're adding X to the banned keywords list". This thread has started an internal dialogue on our keywords policy, which we will update you on when a decision is made.

However I will caution that I cannot give you any schedules or timeframes for when our decision will be made so I can only ask for your patience at this time.

Regards,

Grayson
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Thank you for the response.  It seems very reasonable.  Thanks.
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Thankfully, "f##" and "n##" are NOT keywords, but why were "lesbo" and "dyke" acceptable?

Possibly the worst keyword emerging from this inquiry: "filthy-slut."

Oh, and there's also "harlot" and "wench" (very archaic) and "fluzzy" (apparently a misspelling of "floozy").

Misogyny seems rampant here. 
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While I agree with what you propose, I don't agree with your reason.

The keywords you mentioned in your original post should definitely be disallowed, because they are personal, or subjective as you say, not informative. "legs to die for" is no different than "oooh baby come to papa". It has no place on imdb.

On the other hand, if we start banning words just because they are (at the moment) sexist, or nasty, or tsk tsk words, where will it stop? The word "beautiful" may be considered sexist in 5 years. "Black man" may be considered racist in 5 years. Or even 5 days.

I'm sure even ordinary stuff like "fire" will be offensive to someone. There'll be some loser who'll want his 15 minutes and go "When I was a kid I was afraid of fires, and now I saw that ugly word on imdb. I'm traumatized."

People want to be offended, they're looking for ways to get offended, it must be the greatest satisfaction to feel victimized for these people. So let's keep the imdb out of it.
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I personally don’t fully understand how ”sight-for-sore-eyes" could be a keyword. I mean if these type of cases are accepted (and I believe they are), pretty much everything goes.

And I’m not even talking about issues like ”sexism” here. Point is that the keyword should be something like ”airplane” or ”aircraft”, not ”fancy-airplane-in-the-sky”, ”airplanes-in-formation” or ”action-movie-on-a-airplane”.

But again I’m first to admit it that I don’t probably get it.
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Bradley Kent

Please enjoy your winter years and stop obsessing over things that are of no importance in the greater scheme of things.

I say this with as much sincerity and altruism as I can muster.
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Thanks for your concern about me. The overriding and overwhelming issue in my life right now is, literally, survival from COVID-19.  As long as I have been a contributor, IMDb is, to me, an archive of information, and I am committed to helping that information be as accurate as possible.
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Bradley. I have it. C-19. I'm at risk with health issues. Pulminary Fibrosis. But I'm getting over it as we speak. So don't stress over that.  This whole "scare" thing is BS. This is precisely what happens when people with the best intentions are in charge. Reality and common sense are thrown out the window. This is much the case sometimes with you that Abi just described.

Your quote.
I am committed to helping that information be as accurate as possible.
Really? All I see is an individual with a PC agenda. Removing data that is determined as sexist is not accuracy. Trying to shield people from the 1930s - 1990s by removing keywords that identify that era is a disservice to the database. You and others like you should NOT get to decide what is or is not PC. Next thing you'll be doing like asking for the removal of, and dubbing out words and phrases that people like you determine are offensive from classic movies. So when Buddy Hackett sees a pretty girl and says, Hey toots, what ya got cookin" You'll be clamoring to dub the "Hey toots" out and have it replaced with, "Hello young lady"

Bradley. Your accuracy is dubious. And from someone of your age no less. As a senior citizen myself, I know not to act crude in public and use such language anymore. But I will not defile history by trying to revise the past. That is what you are doing to the database. Revising it's cataloged history of phrases and keywords so that offends no one, but does indeed offend film history.
You call that accuracy?
I call it............words that are unspeakable. That's because society censors true thought. I can think it. But I cannot say it.
That's sad.
:):)

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My thoughts (and prayers, if you want them) go out to all infected with COVID-19.

But seriously this ageing hippie reincarnated as SJW shtick is not doing anyone any favours, including yourself.
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Ed, I wish you good health. I shall include your well-being in my prayer tonight.
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Thank you both
Abi and Horst.
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If female breasts are called "tits" in a movie, it's perfectly fine there is such a keyword. Same is true for all the other terms listed on here. If not, then vulgar terms can be excluded I guess.

As for the non-vulgar terms:
Honestly, every time I told a woman she has desirable legs, hot legs etc. she took it as a compliment. If you link them to Weinstein (and make the wrong conclusion that every positive comment on female physicality is a way of sexism or discrimination) and/or a desire to masturbate or generally see those as sexually motivated references, then that would be entirely your problem, Mr. Kent. That is about as accurate as saying "dead bod" should be omitted because many women think it's hot. The only perspective from which I could see removing them would make sense is that, as you say in the title, they are mostly subjective, but from this perspective we could also remove stuff like "pink hat" because some people could see it as magenta or even purple.

In short, as far as I am concerned, this is a perfect example of political correctness in the wrong spot: Leave all the way it is. Don't remove anything. Mind over matter. But I think i said this before when the OP created this exact same topic on another occasion before. No clue why he did again. It's the same nonsense and that becomes inevitably clear when he sets "thin legs" equal to "prick", which by the way can also be a term to call a person. And if Amon Göth is called a prick in the keywords, I am all for it.

Warm regards and stay healthy everybody.
Horst
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Bradley.
This IS what happens when you remove keywords that are somehow offensive.
NO KEYWORDS AT ALL
CENSORSHIP

Look at you and your kinds work.


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And if you really care about an accurate database.
Where are you on cleaning up this mess?
Answer: Nowhere.
Leave social issues to regular people.
You wanna clean up the database you decry is your "archive of information, that you are committed to helping that information be as accurate as possible."

Then put your efforts into that, and stop being the guardian of PC. You are not qualified.

Fix messes like this if you want something to do.

The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer (1947)
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I have seen this film several times, but I have never touched its keywords.  If I did, there would be some I would correct, some I would delete, some I would combine and some I would add.  The cleanup of keywords, even just to make them consistent to facilitate research, would be a massive project, much beyond "little old me," but perhaps not beyond "big old you."

P.S. I also don't recall touching the keywords for Sweater Girl (1942).  Many contributors probably deal with keywords on most titles, although some are obviously from one contributor or another as evidenced by unusual or exceptional or individually-characterized wordings.

Keyword lists are always changing and ever open to auditing by any contributor.  

How about devoting your time to these things, too?
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As I suspected all along.
An activist.
Not a true contributor.
Caution.
His true colors have been exposed!
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And, yet... these three remain:

 Ocean's Eight (2018)

 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets(2017)

 Road House (1989)

One does a keyword search for "creamy-legs," and these three titles are listed as having the keyword.  But, one goes to the keyword lists for each of these titles, and the "creamy-legs" keyword is not there..

What's going on?
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Viva la difference! For whatever reasons, logical or illogical, instinctive or selective, cultural or creative, personal preferences are as varied as there are persons.  IMDb gives an opportunity to express such personal preferences in reviews (and on this page). But... keywords should be as objective as possible.  That's my whole point.
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Hello everyone - Bradley is correct that subjective keywords are currently against our policy. There are (at time of writing) 9,919,488 keywords in use on IMDb, I'm sure some of them would be viewed as subjective in some eyes but with that many keywords you can imagine how hard it is to find and remove them, or to block them all at the time of contribution. As I said before this will be a long term process that you'll need a calendar to track rather than a watch, but don't worry when we're done I will let you know. 


It appears in my absence there has been some 'spirited' discussion in this thread. Remember these forums are for civil conversation, and I have seen several responses here I don't consider to have been civil. As a result I'm closing this thread until we have had time to investigate this and make a policy decision.