Subjective Sexist Keywords

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I anticipate that this will get "kickback" (ready, Ed Jones and other anti-metooers?), but sexist keywords should be unacceptable, especially since they are often synonyms for other acceptable and more prolific keywords.  

Please eliminate: "boobs," "jugs," "tits" as keywords.

Please eliminate such extremely  subjective keywords as "creamy-legs," "desirable-legs," "exquisite-legs," "hot-legs," "pretty-legs," sexy-legs," "slender-legs," "slim-legs," "thin-legs," etc.  Even "legs-to die-for."  (And NONE of these appear in any title with Betty Grable, who probably had the most famous legs in film history!)

Please eliminate such keywords as "babe" (with the understandable exception of "babe-scientist"), "chick" (unless it refers to a small, young bird-the-animal), "hottie," etc.

Most of these are references to people of the female gender.  There are, of course, some that refer to people of the male gender that should be equally unacceptable, i.e. "dick," "prick," etc. instead of "penis."

Resisters may long for "the good old days," but, especially in this "Harvey Weinstein" time, we need to be more cognizant of reality.  Until someone invents a real time machine, there is probably no other way to go back to the past.  We must live in the now and anticipate the future.

P.S. Do "creamy-legs" and "creamy-thighs" refer to skin tone or ejaculate?
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You know, I actually agree with you on almost everything you just brought up. And if you need to know the definition of your P.S. question posed, then you are out of touch with the common man. Don't forget what your background is.
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Ed-- I must remind you that, even though you may think so, you DO NOT really know me.  I am very much "a common man," living in Nebraska, Illinois, Arizona and Wisconsin more of my life than in New York, California or England.  The biggest compliment I ever received was when someone said of me, "You are the most un-PhD PhD I've ever met."
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I just judge you from your diatribe. You are academia. I am a total opposite. Sorry but I'm an honest displaced, reserved but outspoken New Englander in liberal California.
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Keywords like "bitch," "skank," "slut," etc. should also be deemed unacceptable.
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Pretty much agree with Bradley. But I believe IMDb kinda turns the blind eye when it comes to stuff like that. But then again the whole keyword section is a bit confusing to me since almost everything is accepted. So perhaps I just don’t ”get it”.

Similar thing with the Parental Guide, which often serves to a guide to find ”naked people” or scenes in movies. It kinda works in two ways: ”Beware, naked people!” Or ”Yummy. Naked people”.
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And here's one that is as bad as "legs-to-die-for": "nature's-gift-to-man"!

Come on, IMDb, act on this.  I submit deletions (which are accepted), and THEN they are reestablished!

I think there are only a few contributors causing this problem (including one who particularly seems to like Japanese schoolgirl films).

I don't mean to generalize, but they seem to come from an immature, stereotyped teenage boy attitude.  It's time to grow up.
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Hi Bradley,

Thanks for your message.

What you're asking for is a fairly substantial change to our policy so it isn't something I can just say "Yes I agree and we're adding X to the banned keywords list". This thread has started an internal dialogue on our keywords policy, which we will update you on when a decision is made.

However I will caution that I cannot give you any schedules or timeframes for when our decision will be made so I can only ask for your patience at this time.

Regards,

Grayson
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Thank you for the response.  It seems very reasonable.  Thanks.
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There may also be one or two technical issues involved with this problem.

As these keywords are deleted, they then reappear, almost instaneously.

Also, when entering a keyword search, some of the titles listed as having a keyword DO NOT, in fact, have that particular keyword in their keyword list.  Example: "creamy-legs" lists such titles as 
 
 Ocean's Eight (2018)

 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets(2017)

 Road House (1989)

but their keyword lists DO NOT include that particular keyword.

Curious.


P.S. Other titles where this has often happened include Mean Girls (2004) and It's a Disaster (2012)
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Thankfully, "f##" and "n##" are NOT keywords, but why were "lesbo" and "dyke" acceptable?

Possibly the worst keyword emerging from this inquiry: "filthy-slut."

Oh, and there's also "harlot" and "wench" (very archaic) and "fluzzy" (apparently a misspelling of "floozy").

Misogyny seems rampant here. 
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Hey Bradley,

Thanks again for your responses.

We're still looking into this and I expect we may be for some time. You may notice I've edited your post to remove the words that we have already banned as keywords. I realise you put them in your post to make a point, but they're banned from IMDb so they're also banned from Get Satisfaction. I've left the other keywords so that they can be added to our investigation.

I would also say that you should consider that IMDb also lists adult titles, where keywords that might seem inappropriate can be very useful for the fans of those titles.

Regards,

Grayson
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I understand.  It seems, however, that Adult titles should follow the same guidelines when it comes to such sexist concerns.  "boobs," for example, should not be an acceptable keyword for Adult titles any more than it should not be acceptable for non-Adult titles.  To me, this is not about censorship, but about objectivity. That "##," however, may need to be used own some other words.
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Another aspect of this problem:

I suspect that these keywords are being added and re-added by just a few contributors (or staffers?).  Can those people somehow be contacted to be made aware of this problem (and this discussion)?

Here are two titles, for example, where keywords under discussion were added or re-added just today:

 Hotori no Sakuko (2013)

  Playboy: Sex on the Beach (1997 Video)


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Don't you have grandkids to play with, or something?
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You know nothing about my grandkids.
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While I agree with what you propose, I don't agree with your reason.

The keywords you mentioned in your original post should definitely be disallowed, because they are personal, or subjective as you say, not informative. "legs to die for" is no different than "oooh baby come to papa". It has no place on imdb.

On the other hand, if we start banning words just because they are (at the moment) sexist, or nasty, or tsk tsk words, where will it stop? The word "beautiful" may be considered sexist in 5 years. "Black man" may be considered racist in 5 years. Or even 5 days.

I'm sure even ordinary stuff like "fire" will be offensive to someone. There'll be some loser who'll want his 15 minutes and go "When I was a kid I was afraid of fires, and now I saw that ugly word on imdb. I'm traumatized."

People want to be offended, they're looking for ways to get offended, it must be the greatest satisfaction to feel victimized for these people. So let's keep the imdb out of it.
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To me, this is not about censorship, or "banning" certain words. BUT...

It is about the need to be objective rather than subjective.  Personal opinions, yours and mine, should not be expressed in keywords.  (Leave that to reviews.)

Every stand-alone "adjective" is a suspect keyword.  (I know there are reasonable exceptions.) Such questionable keywords can be interpreted as an individual opinion or evaluation or criticism of a title rather than a verifiable, corroborative and reportable aspect of the title..  What, for example, might be "inspirational" to one person may be "repulsive" to the next.

Adjectives are like ice cream.  There are so many different flavors, and we all have our personal favorite(s).

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And here's another unbelievable keyword: "sight-for-sore-eyes"!

Cmon, IMDb! Act on this!  It can't be that hard, can it?
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"sight-for-sore-eyes"
Really?
That quote has been used in movies for almost 100 years.
It IS NOT completely used in a sexual content setting!
Bradley, that's a little bit overboard. And there are only 2 left in the data base.
You remove keyword quotes, then the database becomes useless. What if I wanna find a Humphrey Bogart movie where he says the line? Hmmmm?
I gotta go to google to find this quote! Hey, and one of them is in the Mr. Magoo movie. Oh yeah. Gotta ban that quote that Mr. Magoo says!!! Oh yeah!
Also, I can recall several instances in pictures where no sexual connotation is implied. Like when the hero saves the day and that's the quote! "Aren't you a sight for sore eyes."
C-mon!



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Shouldn't such instances be under "Quotes" rather than "Keywords"?
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They already are.
How does one find what movies they are in if you remove them as keywords!
Quotes are not searchable inside the database.
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Quotes are not searchable inside the database.
https://www.imdb.com/search/title-text/?quotes=sight+for+sore+eyes

Accessed via the Advanced Search link in the topbar...


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I personally don’t fully understand how ”sight-for-sore-eyes" could be a keyword. I mean if these type of cases are accepted (and I believe they are), pretty much everything goes.

And I’m not even talking about issues like ”sexism” here. Point is that the keyword should be something like ”airplane” or ”aircraft”, not ”fancy-airplane-in-the-sky”, ”airplanes-in-formation” or ”action-movie-on-a-airplane”.

But again I’m first to admit it that I don’t probably get it.
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Bradley Kent

Please enjoy your winter years and stop obsessing over things that are of no importance in the greater scheme of things.

I say this with as much sincerity and altruism as I can muster.
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Thanks for your concern about me. The overriding and overwhelming issue in my life right now is, literally, survival from COVID-19.  As long as I have been a contributor, IMDb is, to me, an archive of information, and I am committed to helping that information be as accurate as possible.
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Bradley. I have it. C-19. I'm at risk with health issues. Pulminary Fibrosis. But I'm getting over it as we speak. So don't stress over that.  This whole "scare" thing is BS. This is precisely what happens when people with the best intentions are in charge. Reality and common sense are thrown out the window. This is much the case sometimes with you that Abi just described.

Your quote.
I am committed to helping that information be as accurate as possible.
Really? All I see is an individual with a PC agenda. Removing data that is determined as sexist is not accuracy. Trying to shield people from the 1930s - 1990s by removing keywords that identify that era is a disservice to the database. You and others like you should NOT get to decide what is or is not PC. Next thing you'll be doing like asking for the removal of, and dubbing out words and phrases that people like you determine are offensive from classic movies. So when Buddy Hackett sees a pretty girl and says, Hey toots, what ya got cookin" You'll be clamoring to dub the "Hey toots" out and have it replaced with, "Hello young lady"

Bradley. Your accuracy is dubious. And from someone of your age no less. As a senior citizen myself, I know not to act crude in public and use such language anymore. But I will not defile history by trying to revise the past. That is what you are doing to the database. Revising it's cataloged history of phrases and keywords so that offends no one, but does indeed offend film history.
You call that accuracy?
I call it............words that are unspeakable. That's because society censors true thought. I can think it. But I cannot say it.
That's sad.
:):)

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My thoughts (and prayers, if you want them) go out to all infected with COVID-19.

But seriously this ageing hippie reincarnated as SJW shtick is not doing anyone any favours, including yourself.
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Ed, I wish you good health. I shall include your well-being in my prayer tonight.
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Thank you both
Abi and Horst.
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If female breasts are called "tits" in a movie, it's perfectly fine there is such a keyword. Same is true for all the other terms listed on here. If not, then vulgar terms can be excluded I guess.

As for the non-vulgar terms:
Honestly, every time I told a woman she has desirable legs, hot legs etc. she took it as a compliment. If you link them to Weinstein (and make the wrong conclusion that every positive comment on female physicality is a way of sexism or discrimination) and/or a desire to masturbate or generally see those as sexually motivated references, then that would be entirely your problem, Mr. Kent. That is about as accurate as saying "dead bod" should be omitted because many women think it's hot. The only perspective from which I could see removing them would make sense is that, as you say in the title, they are mostly subjective, but from this perspective we could also remove stuff like "pink hat" because some people could see it as magenta or even purple.

In short, as far as I am concerned, this is a perfect example of political correctness in the wrong spot: Leave all the way it is. Don't remove anything. Mind over matter. But I think i said this before when the OP created this exact same topic on another occasion before. No clue why he did again. It's the same nonsense and that becomes inevitably clear when he sets "thin legs" equal to "prick", which by the way can also be a term to call a person. And if Amon Göth is called a prick in the keywords, I am all for it.

Warm regards and stay healthy everybody.
Horst
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Wishing you the best, Ed. OVID-19 cases in California have doubled in three days to over 1,000.  I live in Mid-Manhattan (germ central) in a state that has more cases than any other.  And I, also, am medically compromised. (My doctor insists that I wear a surgical mask when I go outside, although I, personally and subjectively, don't think it has any effect. I still wear the mask.)

So...

I think people are having a "semantic" -- a "knee-jerk" -- reaction to the words "sexism" and "politically correct," when my main point is that keywords should be objective and not duplicative.  I do not believe in censorship for adults when it comes to films, TV, video, etc., except for snuff-films (and the like), although I do think parents have the right to determine, as much as they can, what their children are exposed to.

But, keywords should be void of a contributor's personal evaluations or feelings. "desirable," "sexy," "thin," "legs-to-die-for," etc. are ALL subjective evaluations.  

And, keywords should not be synonyms for keywords that already exist and have set a precedent (unless that precedent changes, for some reason). For years, I have been advocating a Keyword Cross Reference Index that could help curtail such duplications.  Keywords have very low priority, however, so such a guide will probably never happen.

Also, I think that any sentient person must be aware of the changing times.  What was once acceptable may no longer he acceptable.  What is acceptable tomorrow may not be what is acceptable today.  I recently saw the 1933 King Kong with the 14-year-old son of friends of mine, and all he could talk about was how racist that film is.  One can reject change, if one wants, but that does not negate the change.  (Is the earth flat? Does gravity exist?  Does one plus one equal two?)

IMDb is the one that makes this final judgment.  They, for example, do not accept the f-word or the n-word as keywords, even though those words may be in a title's dialogue.  It is their right to do that. This is their website.  They are the final arbiter.
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Conflating subjective humanities / social "science" crap with real science (physics, biology, mathematics) is a sin.
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Arts and Science are not completely separate from each other.  Sinful?  Come on.
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Bradley
Give it up.
The movement or cause you are embracing, while it might sound good and be a soothing note to the ears of a certain portion of society, it is not a good thing overall. It is the beginning of a totalitarian society, ruled by those that first ban words, then go down that slippery slope to the inevitable conclusion that all to well been observed throughout history. You are instigating with your diatribe the very thing that one should always ponder before ever having a public platform.
Ask yourself this. Am I capable of taking a position, and speaking my perceived opinion to all that will listen, with the knowledge that I truly have not spoken like those before me that never learned the meaning of this all too true statement. "Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Banning words and independent thought and the right to speak those thoughts are the beginnings of the collapse of a free society.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Freedom of speech is paramount. A select few individuals should never decide what is subjective or descriptive. That is up to the user of the site to determine after viewing all the words. Not the words that are determined are 100% wholesome or PC by a scant few persons that think they "Know" better than we do.

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I will never give up on working to make the world a fairer, more truthful and more honest place.  You have the right to your opinion, and I, to mine.  And I do wish you well.
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I will never give up on working to make the world a fairer, more truthful and more honest place. 
Are you serious?
You are doing the exact opposite.
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Seriously Bradley, this may have been amusing when you were a kid dropping acid in the 60s but now?

Get over it and live your life.
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How is your post related to the conversation Abi?
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How is yours?
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Bradley.
This IS what happens when you remove keywords that are somehow offensive.
NO KEYWORDS AT ALL
CENSORSHIP

Look at you and your kinds work.


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And if you really care about an accurate database.
Where are you on cleaning up this mess?
Answer: Nowhere.
Leave social issues to regular people.
You wanna clean up the database you decry is your "archive of information, that you are committed to helping that information be as accurate as possible."

Then put your efforts into that, and stop being the guardian of PC. You are not qualified.

Fix messes like this if you want something to do.

The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer (1947)
Plot Keywords


Showing all 207 plot keywords


sister sister relationship
1 of 1 found this relevant

screwball comedy
Is this relevant?

slapstick comedy
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witness
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Or how about topics for the combining of keywords.
Like this should just be gender neutral
16 Year Old
Not all three, as it is now.

16 year old

16 year old girl

16 year old boy

How about you devote your time to these things.
This database NEEDS these things.
Your the man for the job.
Or don't you care?
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I have seen this film several times, but I have never touched its keywords.  If I did, there would be some I would correct, some I would delete, some I would combine and some I would add.  The cleanup of keywords, even just to make them consistent to facilitate research, would be a massive project, much beyond "little old me," but perhaps not beyond "big old you."

P.S. I also don't recall touching the keywords for Sweater Girl (1942).  Many contributors probably deal with keywords on most titles, although some are obviously from one contributor or another as evidenced by unusual or exceptional or individually-characterized wordings.

Keyword lists are always changing and ever open to auditing by any contributor.  

How about devoting your time to these things, too?
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As I suspected all along.
An activist.
Not a true contributor.
Caution.
His true colors have been exposed!
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Another unbelievable keyword: "juicy-as-a-peach."  That might be a good tagline or a comment in a review, but a keyword?  No.

If so, it must be added to Call Me By Your Name (2017).
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How is the "progress" coming along?
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This is getting completely ludicrous.  I submit a keyword deletion, which is accepted, and then that deleted keyword later reappears.  It is not always the same keyword, and the deleted keywords that reappear even seem to vary from title to title, and some titles are listed as having a particular keyword when, in fact, they do not.

Are the resubmissions being done by another contributor, or a staff member?

I just can't believe that IMDb treats its female staffers (or contributors) with dehumanizing labels like "babe," "biitch," "chick," "cutie," "hottie," skank, "slut," etc.  The keyword that most often reappears is "creamy-legs."  Does this have some special meaning dear to the heart of IMDb? At meetings, do you ask the female staff members if they want cream cheese for their bagel to go with their "creamy-legs" and "creamy-things?"

Yes, I am being silly, and overstated, and the above paragraph may be edited/censored, but isn't it time for a logical, reasonable, rational decision?,
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