Story Editor category adjustment

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Hi, there!

I'm writing on behalf of Gordon Smith (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3298114/) regarding his story editor credit on Better Call Saul.   With all appreciation toward that job and the role of story editors on television shows both scripted and unscripted, we would like his credit to be adjusted to Story Editor in the Miscellaneous/Other Crew category.  

I've seen many threads in which this has been discussed, and I think both sides are correct.  It's both true that the writer of record should receive sole credit on their script and that the writers on staff should be credited for breaking the story.  However, it would be inappropriate to ONLY list the story editors under story, and not also the rest of the staff, including the producers.  Unless all writing producers and members of staff are credited with story equally (which would be accurate for this particular show, but not all shows), then we'd like to move "story editor" in this case to Other Crew, to match the crediting style we've established.

For other examples of this credit being used in this manner on our show and its predecessor with respect to story editors and executive story editors:
-Gennifer Hutchison (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1112464/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1)
-Peter Gould (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0332467/?ref_=nv_sr_1)
-George Mastras (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2297407/?ref_=nv_sr_1)

We've tried submitting this correction several times, but gained no traction.  To be clear:  this is a credit that we submitted in the first place, without realizing that it would show up as "story" credit on every episode of the season.  Any help adjusting this would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
-JC
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Sorry Jenn,

even if you were successful in getting the credit moved to Misc (Other) Crew, that victory would be short-lived. As noted in the Writers Guide, https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/guide/writers,

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Staff writers
, story editors and story coordinators now belong in the writers section. (For the moment they may be found in the miscellaneous list too; we hope to clean these up in the near future.)
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[W]e'd like to move "story editor" in this case to Other Crew, to match the crediting style we've established.

Your crediting "style" notwithstanding, IMDb has it's own rules about listing writing credits, and they should match exactly those that appear onscreen and in the same order. The writer's guide linked above explains how sequence numbers are handled for writers. It's not rocket science, and there are examples there that should make things clear.
To be clear:  this is a credit that we submitted in the first place, without realizing that it would show up as "story" credit on every episode of the season.
This is a problem with the fullcredits page (e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4462690/fullcredits) where "story editor" is truncated to just "story" on display. Note that the display problem does not occur on the combined view page (e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4462690/combined). IMDb has been apprised of the situation. It looks like they've made some adjustments, but seem to have missed the "story editor" credit situation on that particular page view. The fix needs a bit more work. When they get around to it is anybody's guess.

Looking at the example episode I linked to above, I see that order numbers have only been attached to one of the writers, https://contribute.imdb.com/updates?update=tt4462690:writers.correct . It's just dumb luck that Gordon Smith happens to fall alphabetically last in that list. Commonly, creators and sometimes "executive story editors" and then "written bys" appear in the opening titles, in that order, followed in the end credits by story editors/staff writers etc. If that's the case here, but again onscreen crediting trumps everything, both creators should probably appear at the top with order numbers (1,1,1) and (1,1,2), followed by the "executive story editor" with (2,1,1), and the "written by" with (3,1,1) and (3,1,2). Then Smith would get (4,1,1). This procedure insures the proper order displays instead of the alternative alpha order.

You might as well do it right since it will eventually get moved, anyway.


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This is a problem with the fullcredits page (e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4462690/fullcredits) where "story editor" is truncated to just "story" on display
This is definitely a bug and we are opening a ticket to get the display fixed. 
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This is fixed now.
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Thanks, all.  Now that the "story" instead of "story editor" bug has been fixed, it's causing me much less indigestion!

I do maintain that it's odd not to include writing producers in the "writer" section, if their job is to put forward at least an equal amount of story-breaking in the writers' room as the story editors and staff writers are expected to.  Story editors are currently credited with writing many many more episodes of the series than the writer-producers who pulled equal weight in the process.  

Maybe it's just that this manner of categorization is biased toward the way feature films are written, not television?
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Thanks Col,

Can we expect that at some point the fullcredits page for series titles will contain a list of all job descriptions for writers in like manner to what is currently done for producers (e.g.  compare the Writers section to the Producers section here, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/fullcredits )

This simple (OK, no idea how simple it would be to implement - but code for the producers section would seem to provide a template) adjustment would address most of the concerns of the OP. As long as it's clear what job each writer on the series did, the presence of story editor (and staff writer, story consultant, etc.) credits in the Writers Department shouldn't ruffle any feathers.
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Thanks.  We have opened a new ticket to fix this.