Spurious "credited as" when an actor is renamed to merge with existing entry

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Occasionally I find that a cast entry has been mis-transcribed, creating an actor entry who has just one title. In such a situation I rename that actor to the correct one, merging the one-credit mis-spelled name into the many-credits correctly-spelled name.

I've noticed that whenever I do that, even though I don't tick the "preserve original name" box, the credit always ends up "correctly-spelled name (as mis-spelled name)" in the title and actor credits.

An example is "Les Dove" (190407-195348-780000)

  • Dove, Les
    • Name Correction or Merge - Add
      • Correction: Dove, Leo


who should have been Leo Dove, as verified from the on-screen titles of the episode of "Then Churchill Said To Me". On occasion I even added an explanation of "I've not ticked the 'Preserve name' box, so don't add a 'credited-as'", but to no avail: Leo Dove has an entry "- The Goose Has Landed (1993) ... Soldier (as Les Dove)".

It looks as if there's a fault in the processing of that "preserve" box when actor entries are merged.

I've since submitted a correction 190409-092426-554000

  • Dove, Leo
    • Actor Credits - Replace
      • Old -
        Title: "Then Churchill Said to Me" (1982) {The Goose Has Landed (#1.5)}
        Character: Soldier
        Attribute: (as Les Dove)
        Order: 10
        New -
        Title: "Then Churchill Said to Me" (1982) {The Goose Has Landed (#1.5)}
        Character: Soldier
        Order: 10


Incidentally, "Then Churchill Said To Me" is toe-curlingly awful, even by Frankie Howerd standards :-(
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Hi Martin -

Just to make certain that I understand the issue you are reporting, please correct me if I have misinterpreted anything:

1) The episode credit was listed incorrectly on the name page of "Les Dove", as the on-screen credit is for "Leo Dove". 

2) You requested to merge the name page "Les Dove" to the correct, existing name page "Leo Dove", and did not check-mark the 'Preserve previous name on existing credits. i.e. '(as Les Dove)'' box.

3) The merge was approved, however, the name attribute "as Les Drove" was retained, you then removed the attribute, so the credit is now listed correctly.

So the issue is that you are not selecting the 'preserve previous name' box, but the previous name is being retained as a credit attribute, is this correct?
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Yes that's right. Easily corrected each time it occurs, but it's a pain to have to remember to go back and check when the merge has been processed so I can then (and only then) edit to remove the "as".

It seems to happen whenever an incorrectly spelled name is merged into a correctly-spelled one: the incorrect one is an "as" name even though the "preserve" box is not ticked.

It's been like it for a couple of years. I think I've raised the problem on GetSatisfaction and on the previous discussion forum several times in the past, and seen various "me too" responses, so it affects more than just me.
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Hi Martin -

Thanks for confirming, before I report the issue to our technical team to investigate, can you recall any other recent examples of merges you have submitted where this has occurred?
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Michelle

After a lot of fruitless searching through past submission confirmation emails, I've found an example of a renaming followed the next day by a removal of a credited-as attribute:

190121-160911-911000
  • Musil, Robert (II)
    • Name Correction or Merge - Add
      • Correction: Musel, Robert (III)



190122-130128-042000

A Circle of Deception (1960)
    • Writers - Replace
      • Old -
        Name: Musel, Robert (III)
        Attribute: (screenplay) (as Robert Musil)
        Order: 1,2,1
        New -
        Name: Musel, Robert (III)
        Attribute: (screenplay)
        Order: 1,2,1

And here's another pair:

190203-133429-989000 rename
190205-104518-177000 removal of credtied-as

There have been a lot of renamings where I *didn't* do a subsequent removal of a credited-as in the old name, which makes me think that it doesn't happen every time.


Good luck in tracking down the bug.


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Hi Martin -

Thanks for locating these additional examples, I will pass them all along to our technical team who will investigate the occurrences.
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Hi Martin, im sorry that you have been having an issue with your submissions. I have checked the submissions you referenced, I myself processed the merge request for Les Dove and I apologize that I made a mistake and did not fully understanding your intentions from your submission comment - you mentioned a transcribing error but I wasnt sure if you meant the credits were wrong or the contributor to IMDb was wrong.

When dealing with name corrections and merges we often err on the side of caution and manually correct submissions to preserve previous credited names. The reason is that many people incorrectly untick the box either to censor names or through misunderstanding of policy (although I am not implying that this apply to you). 

We manually process every request and aim to apply them all accurately, however sometimes we get it wrong may I ask that you try and include a clear comment as to why you do not want to preserve previous names e.g. The name is spelled correctly in the credits as ... but wrong on IMDb, please do not preserve previous credits.

Again my apologies for this, I will try to ensure that it does not happen again.
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No problem. I'm never sure how much of what I submit is processed automatically and how much needs human intervention to approve (to prevent malicious changes etc).

I usually try to give clear reasons when changing names and not preserving existing name, but I'll certainly try to "sanity-check" my explanations in case they can be misunderstood.

I knew if I raised the question on here I'd get it sorted out soon ;-)
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You asked me to let you know if this problem happened again. I've just seen another example of it:

190614-210023-385000
  • Rage, Sue
    • Name Correction or Merge - Add
      • Correction: Race, Sue


(merging mis-transcriubed name into existing entry)

The entry for Sue Race reads:

Strangers (TV Series)
Lady Reporter / Mother - With These Gloves You Can Pass Through Mirrors (Part 2) (1982) ... Lady Reporter
- Soldiers of Misfortune (1981) ... Mother (as Sue Rage)

and the entry for the STrangers episode https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0711192/reference reads


Sue Race Sue Race ... Mother (as Sue Rage)

I've just checked back in updates/history, and I did not tick the "Preserve previous name on existing credits. i.e. '(as Sue Race)'" box. The explanation was "wrongly transcribed in only credit (Strangers); should be Sue Race - merge into her entry".

So it's still happening. Usually when it happens I submit a correction, removing the "credited as", but this time I'm goignt o leave it and see if it sorts itself out spontaneously. Even if it does. it shouldn't be happening, even transiently.