Someone changed some keywords and I'm curious which should be correct

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As of a couple of days ago, there were keywords "black-panther-character" and "black-widow-character". Someone seems to have changed these to "black-panther-the-character" and "black-widow-the-character". This seems to be inconsistent and against the guide.

Per the guide: "-character Used to denote a character's appearance in a title. The formatting should be presented as the name of the character first, followed by "-character". So, for Star Wars, we'd list Han Solo as "Han-Solo-character". "

I have no idea why someone would add "the" into keyword as "-character" is a known special type of keyword.
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I don't see why black-panther-character needed to become black-panther-the-character, but we may need to use the-character sometimes in keywords. Look at this list of the-character keywords, and you'll see that some of them would be confusing without the word the, e.g. goofy-the-character, wimpy-the-character, icon-the-character, speedy-the-character, etc.

I would prefer black-panther-(character), goofy-(character), wimpy-(character), etc., but IMDb long ago banished the parentheses from keywords. I wish they'd reconsider and bring them back. Wikipedia needs them for their article titles, and most keywords are like the titles of Wikipedia articles.
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When you say "goofy-character" doesn't refer to a character who may act goofy, the casual user will not know that.
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There is a cure for ignorance. It's called, read the manual (which is readily available and anyone that wants to use IMDb and is confused by how it works should do.) Casual users don't understand many of the different roles that are listed in the cast department or even in a specialized department like writers. Yet, we continue to enter them correctly whether anyone else understands them or not.
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Also, I've been entering keywords for a while and I don't think most people enter keywords like "goofy-character" anymore. In fact, character is rarely used in keywords, outside of it's intended usage as a specific keyword.

I can think of two examples of where I've seen character used outside of specifying an actual character. First, is the "title spoken by character" type keyword. The second is "character says ...." type keyword. These are fairly generic and something that should be expected so that they transcend specifics for a given title.
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There is no cure for somebody else's ignorance, if we are ignorant of that person's ignorance.
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Jeorj,

I think most people are willing to learn when gaps in their knowledge are pointed out.
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Hi Adrian,

Thanks for your post.

I have corrected the keywords now to reflect our guide more accurately.

Have a great day.

Joel 
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Instead of participating in a supposedly witty game of "tit-for-tat" that can deteriorate into the name calling of other contributors, I choose to apply John Dewey's Process of Reflective Thinking:

1. Locate and define the problem
2. Explore the problem
2. Suggest possible solutions to the problem
4. Test and evaluate each possible solution
5. Select the best solution

With that in mind, here's another possible solution:

Amend the Character guidelines so that it concludes with the following:

Exception:  When a character name is an adjective, or can be interpreted as an adjective, use the "-the-character" addendum instead of the "-character" addendum, i.e. "pseudo-the-character" instead of "pseudo-character."
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Hi Bradley -

As mentioned in our guide, the use of "-character" should only be applied to named fictional characters or fictional portrayals of real life people, such as "scooby-doo-character" and "bill-clinton-character", we should not be referring to named characters as "scooby-doo-the-character" or "bill-clinton-the-character".  Instances where you are seeing "-the-character" being used, should be corrected to the appropriate formatting.

For descriptive characters, as Adrian mentioned, we should be using more specific keywords when describing character attributes, so instead of "blind-character" we prefer more specificity, such as "blind-dog" or "blind-child", which better allows users to discover titles they are interested in.
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Thanks for the response. Can the conversion of "-the-character" to "-character" be done by the staff, as requested above?

This statement of policy, however, still does nor consider a character whose name is an adjective, I.e. goofy-the-character instead of goofy-character.  

  • Also, to Adrian's comment, yes, we should be more specific, but often the specifics are not clear. In those cases, perhaps the noun version of the adjective should be used.  For example, instead of blind-character, use blindness.
One can, in fact, make a good case that, for almost all keywords, a noun should be used instead of an adjective.  An adjective can be used as a modifier, but a stand-alone adjective should be on the list of unacceptable keywords.

And, there also seems to be a preference for the "thing" rather than the "person."  If you have murder, there is understandably a  murderer and murder-victim.  If there is rape, there is no need for rapist and rape-victim.  If there is gambling, there is no need for gambler.  Etc.

What do you think?

P.S. I realize that there are always exceptions.


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Hi Bradley -

Rest assured that I did run the conversation by our editors, and we prefer to retain the use of "-character" for named character keywords.

When a character's name is an adjective, such as character names from "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs": Sleepy, Sneezy, Grumpy, etc., these characters should still be listed with the attribute mentioned above (sleepy-character, sneezy-character, grumpy-character).  If a film features a character who has a grumpy disposition and you want to capture this in a keyword, you should enter the keyword with the adjective followed by the noun, such as: grumpy-old-man or sneezy-dog.

I hope this helps clarify our listing preferences!
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Hi Bradley Kent,

I've now converted the 5,700 incorrectly formatted "-the-character" keywords to the correct "-character" format. I've also put in some internal mappings to convert these to the correct format for other new additions.

Regards,
Will
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Thanks.  I still disagree with this decision since it adds a lot of  confusion, but I will be diligent about the issue and work ot conform when I find relevant mistakes.  Thanks, again.
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