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Dear Moderator,

We would like to respectfully report the following apparent fake profile on the IMDb platform which was created a long time ago. However, the individual involved only noticed it recently.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1153850/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm

We've started the investigation on our end in order to find out if this person really exists or if he was involved in the motion picture films. We unfortunately lack the resources to access the credit details . Since this profile was created on your platform, we would like to get the support from your staff members in order to help us verify the factual information and possibly to take down this profile from your platform.

We appreciate your diligence on this matter.

Kind regards,

Andrew
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Andrew: Can you please provide some background on this situation?

Did you work on any of the films that Dominic Thiffault is listed on IMDb as working on?

You write that "the individual involved" (apparently not Thiffault himself) only noticed the page recently. Who is that "individual involved"?

How did you come to believe that https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1153850/ might be a fake profile?
The more details you provide, the easier it will be for the IMDb staff to advise you.
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Gromit: Can you remove the first and last name of the client or remove your post?
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Hello,

Do you work for IMDb? Thank you for your prompt reply - Mr Thiffault's first language is not English and therefore, I am helping him with his request. I have not worked on a movie set before.

What measures does IMDb have in place with respect to defamatory profile creation targeting individuals on this platform? There is a probability that an acquaintance of his has created different profiles on various platforms, including IMDb and Mr Thiffault noticed it only recently. 

The number of profiles created by this individual is rather important with the same pattern on each one of them: a profile is created a few years back with only 2-3 posts and left abandoned. 

My understanding is you are a community member? Are you qualified to provide advice on this particular platform and if not, who could provide concrete answers moving forward?

Thank you.

Andrew
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Gromit: Can you remove the first and last name of the client or remove your post?
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Andrew: While admittedly "Dominic Thiffault" does not sound like a common name, it is still possible that there could be another person with that name besides the one you know.

I recommend that you look for some of the films on which the Dominic Thiffault at https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1153850/ is listed by IMDb as being credited, such as Lucky Number Slevin, Timeline, Mirror Mirror, Death Race, Beyond Borders, Driven, On the Road, or Barney's Version, and see if there is a Dominic Thiffault listed in the credits of those films. (All of those films are currently available for rental on DVD through Netflix, for example. You may also be able to find those or other films in the filmography on another film platform that you use.)

If you find that each of the films you check does have a Dominic Thiffault listed in the credits, then I recommend leaving the situation alone. However, if you check any of the films where Dominic Thiffault is supposed to be listed in the credits and you find that he isn't, please come back here and report your findings. That would be significant evidence that the IMDb profile could be fake.

Finally, I don't see what could be defamatory about the IMDb page even if some or all of the credits listed there were inaccurate.

I hope this helps.
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Gromit: Can you remove the first and last name of the client or remove your post?
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Gromit: It doesn't help if you don't answer my questions. Who are you and who is working for IMDb? What sort of evidence does one need? Just writing here 'I haven't seen his name listed' is enough?

If you are working for IMDb, can you be more specific on what is expected under the circumstances that you already know.

Thank you.

Andrew
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Andrew: To answer your question, no, I do not work for IMDb. Anyone who does work for IMDb who posts here will have a designation of "Official Rep" or "Employee" after their username.
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Gromit: Great, thanks for specifying this. However, you haven't been specific on the evidence expected by IMDb for taking action. I read in another post that screenshots would work but I'm not to sure how to start with this. Can you help us find specific instructions in line with IMDb's policies on the matter. Thank you.
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Andrew,

Gromit is an expert IMDb contributor, with specific tools on this forum (hence the "Champion" qualifier). IMDb staff would show with Employee, or Official rep qualifiers.


And the champs are sometimes more specific and precise than IMDb staff!
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Hi Vincent,

Thank you for your intervention. 

Andrew
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Vous parlez français, Vincent? 

Comment fait-on pour effacer le post?
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On ne peut l'effacer que s'il n'y a pas eu de réponse et de like, sauf erreur de ma part!
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Et pourquoi? Puisqu'il y a divulgation du nom et prénom de la victime à plusieurs reprise dans le filet de conversation?

Vous suivez le foot? Dehors les anglais! ;) 

Cela dit, les Croates vont probablement l'emporter. C'est une bonne équipe :)
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@Vincent: Savez vous si IMDb a un représentant francophone?
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Andrew,

Je laisse Will répondre dans l'autre fil concernant la 1e question.
Concernant la dernière question, sauf erreur, l'anglais est la seule langue autorisée sur l'IMDb :( Mais je pense que les autres langues sont tolérées ici, même si cela diminue le nombre de contributeurs pouvant répondre !

I will leave Will to answer to your first question in the other thread.
Unless mistaken, English is the only lingua franca on IMDb :( I guess other languages are tolerated here, but they narrow the scope of answer providing contributors!
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And I will not share my pronostic for Sunday's game, at the risk of looking too pretentious :D
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Gromit: As stated my initial message, we've already started the work of verifying those movies' credit but we don't know where to take it from there. If can't help, please bring this inquiry to a competent representative. Thank you.
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Hi, Andrew:

We're trying to help, but you aren't being very specific either...

Let's suppose that we're able to find a screenshot of a person named Dom**** Thif***** billed in some of the films listed in the profile. If that were the case, the name page would be legit... so may you please confirm which of the following situations apply?

a) Your client has nothing to do with the films listed in the profile.
► If so, your client has a namesake who legitimately works as a production assistant/etc. End of story.

b) Some credits listed in the profile belong to your client.
► If so, you'll have to describe in detail in which titles your client worked, so that (with nuances) the credits can be splitted into two different profiles, one for your client, and one for his namesake.

Thank you.

Like gromit and Vincent, I'm just a contributor. An IMDb staffer will probably reply soon.
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How soon?
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O, maybe on the 12th or 13th.
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Hi Andrew,

I am a staff member. Please would you mind clarifying your request? I've taken a look at the name page and those look like legitimate credits and as such the name page is valid for a listing under IMDb policies.

Regards,
Will
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Hi Will,

Thank you for your prompt reply - His name does not appear in the end of ANY of the production he is mentioning in his profile. How do you need the results of our investigation to be presented to you? If you want a series of screenshots, where do you want them to be uploaded? 

Thank you.
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Will: I believe that the OP may be correct. I watched the credits of Death Race (2008) for which the person under discussion is listed in IMDb as working in the Transportation Department as a driver. Not only did I not see his name in the opening or closing credits in any job, I didn't see anyone listed in the credits with the plain and unmodified job of "driver".

There's nothing I can post a screen cap of to prove that; I'm not going to screen cap the entire credit sequence just to prove that the person under discussion's name doesn't appear.

So if the person under discussion's name doesn't appear in the credits of one of his supposed films, that starts to call into the question the rest of his alleged credits, too.

I would still recommend that the OP seek out some of the person's other alleged credits. If he can show, via screen caps, that someone else is credited in the job that the person allegedly held, that would be a good reason to consider removing all of the person's credits.
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@Gromit82: Thank you for your intervention. You are correct, in Death Race (2008) this job title is absent from the credits. No screen caps to report here.

Moreover, it is worth mentioning that, for the person under discussion, 95% or those 'Driver' jobs are uncredited. However, we did skimmed through the credits in Death Race (2008) and Beyond Borders (2003). We found the title 'Unit Transportation' in the latter (Screen caps in enclosure), but no matching names.

In the 'Miscellaneous Crew' category, we did find the correct job title of 'Production Assistant' in the movie 'Grey Owl (1999)', but not matching names attached to this particular credit (Screen caps in enclosure)

In the 'Camera & Electrical Department' category, we did find the job title of 'grip' in the 'Shut in (2016)' Montreal crew, but then again no matching names attached to this.

All Screen caps are in enclosure.

Thank you.

Andrew
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I had already verified some of the credits before posting my first message, but I was curious to know how the OP planned to prove that no Dominic Thiffault "appears in the end of ANY of the production he is mentioning in his profile".

Unlike other cases, at least this time we are not given forged screenshots, but I tend to suspect of "investigations" that coincidentally point out the favorable instances and leave out the "inconvenient" ones...

















Being true that a few (uncredited) attributes are missing, we know that the name page is legit so, Andrew, would you please answer now my question from above?
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@ljdoncel: Thank you for your intervention - I see that you have more experience doing this than I have and I thank you for taking the time to go through those.

As said before, Dominic and I have observed a strange pattern from this individual across the web. He is creating multiple profiles on social media platforms, write strange messages on boards or walls and leave them abandoned afterwards with no replies whatsoever when trying to contact him. 

I saw some other community conversations before posting here (which magically disappeared since then, go figure) about community members wanting to take down fake profiles. Those community members brought some of the claimed credits into question (by going through the same process as you did) and that was enough for the Official Reps to take action. After all, protecting IMDb's platform integrity and truthfulness would supposedly be their job, correct?

I don't have the Champion qualifier just yet, but I did go through some of the credits and did noticed that the person under this discussion's name does not appear in the credits of a few of his supposed films and that starts to call into question his ability to discern credited jobs with uncredited ones.

The question here could be: what is IMDb's policy with respect to false credit claims (taking for granted, in light of ljdoncel 's contribution, that the profile is legit). Can we have one of the Reps intervene on those false claims?

Thank you.

Andrew
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Hi Andrew,

If you are aware of any cases where Dominic Thiffault has credits attached to titles where his credits do not appear on screen then please submit an update to our data editors on those specific credits providing a detailed explanation and we will be happy to reassess those listings. However as Dominic has legitimate credits on a number of titles highlighted above so expertly by ljdioncel then we will retain the name page on IMDb. If you have any problems getting those credits removed then please re-comment on this thread.

Thanks for your help in preserving an accurate record of those titles on IMDb.

Regards,
Will
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@Will: We read your policy and the amount of uncredited work flooding your platform seems to be a growing concern for IMDb, though still tolerated. After all, what would it be like if we all started this trend on other work profiling platforms? We've seen Linked In tackling this particular threat to their website's credibility by pushing for peer recommendations to support credentials and qualifications which is seemingly working out quite well so far, lowering the overall number of abuses.

Moving forward, @gromit82 and I brought a few of those falsely credited claims to your attention which include Death Race (2008), Beyond Borders (2003), and Grey Owl (1999). I've also uploaded some screencaps above (though not as neatly presented as those of another contributor) for your reference.

Since we've already committed ourselves to this process, we respectfully would like you to take this opportunity to review this individual's landing page to see if you could find perhaps some abuses referring back to IMDb's policy and either to take action and/or invite the individual to clarify a certain amount of those claims by being more specific for instance.

With respect,

Andrew
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Hi Andrew,

I've removed the credits from Death Race (2008), Beyond Borders (2003), and Grey Owl (1999) where you have proven that he isn't credited however as he has a large number of legitimate credits added by respected users on verifiable titles so we wouldn't want to take further action in those cases. As previously stated if you know of any other titles where he did not receive an on screen credit then please feel free to submit an amendment to that title to our data editors.

Regards,
Will
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If I was the principal of the school (or the superintendent of the school district) at which this fine movie crew member worked, I wouldn't fire him. He hasn't done anything wrong.

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