Queen Kelly (1929)

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There is a 1 January 1929 release date listed for Queen Kelly with Gloria Swanson.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020298/...

Other websites, and some of IMDb's own pages, describe how filming was shut down later in January 1929 with the film being unfinished and unreleased in the US until the 50s, although it was shown in Europe in the 30s.

Is there a source for the 1929 date, or should it be removed?

The title format guidelines include this note: "Please note that there are occasional exceptions to this rule. If there is a long gap between the completion of a film and its first public release it can be more representative to list the year the film was completed so as to more accurately reflect the title on the associated cast and crew name pages."
https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...

Is this a case where the 1929 title year should be kept even if the film was not released then?
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For what it is worth, I think Jan 1st, 1929 was just entered to enter 1929 as a release year, at a time when the system did not alow to enter only the year.
I will try to research for a release date: it is one of Stroheim's most well known pieces, so I guess something can be unearthed.
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This is a pretty fair guess but we would appreciate the research, thanks. 
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So far, using the Internet, the earliest sourced release date is October 18, 1932 in Buenos Aires, followed by November 1932 in Paris.

The most accurate source, is a book on Erich (von) Stroheim films available on Google books, and specifically: https://books.google.fr/books?id=9MLBNyjvOYcC&lpg=PT100&hl=fr&pg=PT170#v=onepage&q&a...

The Buenos Aires date is testified in https://books.google.fr/books?id=pbhjvdIt6FoC&lpg=PA136&ots=h0HYTnn1Jb&dq=%22Queen%20Kel...

For the French one:
French Wikipedia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Reine_Kelly#Fiche_technique dates it in November 1932 at the Falguière cinéma in Paris (no source but plausible).
Encyclociné, http://www.encyclocine.com/index.html?menu=72608&page=%3Ca+href%3D&chercherfilm=queen+kelly&..., usually a reliable site, even dates it precisely on Friday, November 11, 1932 (movies were released on Fridays at that time). But no source as well.

In any case, the several Paris movie weeklies reported the release shorly after: https://calindex.eu/film.php?op=listfilm&nf=23196.

Besides, I could not trace a London release, and Germany is likely out of the question, due to the political turmoil and economic crisis at the time.
This would require further a library research, e.g. the library of the French Cinemathèque, since they have several books potentially covering the information (but I do not have the time nor the scholar status to do so. Hopefully in a few years when I retire!)

I am going to edit the release date entry in IMDb and hopefull link my submission to this message to support it. I hope the editorial gods of IMDb will find my humble offering agreeable.


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Thanks (and approved); it will take a short while extra for the year-in-title to change to 1932.

We have also updated the production dates to include the 1932 reshoots -> https://pro.imdb.com/title/tt0020298/details

What would really help now is the date of the first US public screening. 
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From this NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/1985/09/22/arts/queen-kelly-opens-more-than-50-years-late.html (Sep 22, 1985), it seems it had not been commercially released before that first restauration, whose release dates are already recorded in IMDb (March and September 1985)

Even though some TV broadcasts might have happened in 1970's https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Queen%20Kelly%20Stroheim&sort=oldest but there seems to be a related server error to verify it.

But again, if any other contributor has access to non public research resources, they could dig it further.
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Good to know, thanks.
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IMDb's trivia and some other sites mention a 1966 television screening. Swanson's introduction is on YouTube, but I haven't seen a date.

There are a couple of books on Google which reference a 1967 screening at the Beacon Theatre in New York. One of them gives the date 8 May ("An American Organist in Paris: The Letters of Lee Orville Erwin").