Problems editing a credit

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I was attempting to write an explanation for how a participant here should edit one of her credits, but I encountered two problems.



The less serious problem is that, in the current design, the Attribute column is too narrow to display hardly any of the person's name. Granted, that's partially because in this example, I was going to have to use the "Show name?" function to correct the radio button from "actor" to "actress"; if you don't have to "Show name", you get more room for the Attribute. But, if nothing else, the Order box could be narrowed by a few characters; there's enough room for seven digits there, and few films will need more than two digits for cast order numbers, three digits at the most.

The more serious problem is that I got a red (non-bypassable) error message that said:
An in-development title should not have credits with 'as' attributes
The (as ...) attribute records how the person was credited on screen if different than their primary IMDb name. An in-development title indicates we cannot yet confirm how people will be credited on screen. It is therefore not possible to use 'as' attributes on in-development titles. Please correct your submission.
But Shifting Grounds (2015) isn't an in-development title. It's already listed as "Completed".

Can the staff please make sure that the "in-development title should not have credits with 'as' attributes" warning is only applied to titles that are, in fact, still in development?
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Question Since a title with "Completed" status "has not yet been screened," would IMDb be unable to "yet confirm how people will be credited on screen"?   (Does IMDb allow the "as..."  attribute for released  titles only?)
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If that's the case, they would need to correct the error message by replacing "in-development" with "unreleased".
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

           Studio «Western Film Company» is pleased to present you a new movie project "Tepito for gangster", created for the viewing audience the US, Canada, Mexico and Europe.

The aim of our treatment is to attract commercial and financial partners, to create and deliver  feature films.

Contact person: Vyacheslav Vladimirsky

E-mail: tepitofg@gmail.com

Page of site: http://singchanson.wix.com/film

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Hi gromit82 and Nobody -

Thanks for your observations here, I have reached out to the applicable staff to clarify about whether there is a bug involved or whether the Rejection text is just outdated, I also reported to them the narrow attribute field.  Once I hear back from them I will post the information here.
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Just following-up here to confirm that the reason that we don't allow user's  to add 'as' attributes before the film is released is to prevent user's from adding incorrect and/or silly entries on blockbuster films when we cannot clarify the on screen credits.

So currently, the only way a contributor can add an AKA attribute for an unreleased title is by contacting us and requesting staff to add the entry.
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Of course the editors can set the rules they wish to, but the use of the term "in-development" in the error message does not match how that term is used in IMDb's own treatment of production status. It could be "in-production" or, as suggested above, "unreleased".
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This is an unannounced change of policy.

Previously, IMDb stated that the reason for the 'pre-production' restriction was that the production was not far enough along for the credits order to be known with any certainty.

I think IMDb is asking for trouble with this new policy. A common question on the board is how can the order be corrected. Independent producers often want it early in order for their leads to be shown in the proper place in the filmography, and they tend to get more and more anxious as the work continues.

By the time the film is in post, they usually know the order, and they certainly must know it be the time the film is completed. I believe that IMDb will find they have a lot of requests to manually add Order numbers to the cast list of a lot of productions, which will take a significant amount of time if the cast is large.
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gromit's issue was 'as' attributes, not credit order.

The quoted error message is not exactly new, though it may be true that the rule has not been announced or included in a guide.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

           Studio «Western Film Company» is pleased to present you a new movie project "Tepito for gangster", created for the viewing audience the US, Canada, Mexico and Europe.

The aim of our treatment is to attract commercial and financial partners, to create and deliver  feature films.

Contact person: Vyacheslav Vladimirsky

E-mail: tepitofg@gmail.com

Page of site: http://singchanson.wix.com/film

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Michelle: As Peter stated, the error message I was referring to uses the term "in-development" three times. If (as ...) attributes are not going to be accepted for any unreleased titles, then the error message should be corrected to say the following:
An unreleased title should not have credits with 'as' attributes.
The (as ...) attribute records how the person was credited on screen if different from their primary IMDb name. An unreleased title indicates we cannot yet confirm how people will be credited on screen. It is therefore not possible to use 'as' attributes on unreleased titles. Please correct your submission.
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Hi gromit82, thanks for clarifying the error message problem, I will check with our staff again to see if they will consider updating this text in the Update form.  I will let you know what they decide as soon as I hear back.
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Just following-up here to confirm that our staff have updated the error message to read:

"The (as ...) attribute records how the person was credited on screen if different than their primary IMDb name. An unreleased title indicates we cannot yet confirm how people will be credited on screen. It is therefore not possible to use 'as' attributes on unreleased titles. Please correct your submission."

The change should be live in the Update form shortly.
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Hi all,

Just to confirm the message update is now live.

Regards,
Will
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(bumping this older thread)

I'm in the process of adding a new title (series that ran two years) to the database and it's from the late 80's, "completed" and shown on TV. I have also the exact and confirmed release date with some other info.

With one "cast" name (it's a "new" name to the database), it gives the same red (non-bypassable) error message as gromit82 got earlier (first post). I have confirmed the actual, current name of the actress and the name ("as...") she was credited in this particular series.

This credit has been rejected. You need to correct this credit before it will be accepted.

An unreleased title should not have credits with 'as' attributes. The (as ...) attribute records how the person was credited on screen if different than their primary IMDb name. An unreleased title indicates we cannot yet confirm how people will be credited on screen. It is therefore not possible to use 'as' attributes on unreleased titles. Please correct your submission.
To me this seems like a bug?
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Hi Eboy,

No you are just using the wrong production status. Please see the guide: https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/guide/inproduction

Completed should refer to this production status, not the fact that the series is finished "There is a final print, but it has not yet been screened. For most
smaller titles, this is the first stage where we will accept them."

Released should be added to the parent title "The film has screened to the public. We generally delete this status
after a short time; the release/screening date should be added to that section."

Once released has been added and a release date you will be able to add the (as) credit to the name.

Regards,
Will
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I'm slightly confused. :)

I have these options...

 1) Released and screened/available to the public (or firm date set in relatively near future) 
 2) Completed and only limited non-public screenings (friends/family/fellow students/faculty members) 
 3) Completed but not shown anywhere 
 4) Completed and invited by Withoutabox 
 5) Not yet complete (announced/filming/post-production/etc)

I have chosen "1", since the series was "released" in 1987.
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Yes that is correct.

Regards,
Will
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I am having the same problem while adding an episode from 2008 of a Polish soap opera (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439389/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt), even though I have already added 759 episodes over the last 15 months and this message ("An unreleased title should not have credits with 'as' attributes") never appeared before.
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Eboy and Tate: This problem has been recognized as a bug; see the discussion at http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/thread/256310793. Col Needham wrote there that a ticket has been opened to address this issue.
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Thank you for the answer!
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Thank you guys. Great that this bug will be squashed soon (hope hope).

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