Poster name tags

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The image guidelines for name tags include:

"Tagging names to poster images have a few exceptions to the above rules, we will allow names to be tagged to a poster image if they are visible on the poster or if their name appears in the billing block at the bottom of the poster image."

1. Does this include non-actors who appear in the billing block?

2. What is the purpose of tagging people who do not appear in the poster image? Doesn't it just create confusion?

Some people seem to be tagging themselves in posters that they don't belong in, perhaps taking advantage of the fact that so many name tags are allowed. (For example my corrections: #200519-080517-252002, #200519-081034-473602, #200519-081641-648102)

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I would really like an answer from a staffer to this question, as I fail to see why it is allowed to add names of people of which only their name appears on the poster. I really don't think that helps users of the site.
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Hey all - apologies for the delay on the response here!

As mentioned in the guide, we do allow cast members not pictured who are top billed to be linked. Extending this to names that aren't top billed could create confusion due to the number of names. As you've mentioned, there are posters that do not fall within these guidelines and we recommend, as you've done, reporting the images/links for an editor to verify the validity of the names linked.
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As mentioned in the guide, we do allow cast members not pictured who are top billed to be linked.

What's the reasoning behind this?
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Take this as an example: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154796/mediaviewer/rm3583075840

RDJ's face isn't on this poster, but Iron Man is - so to me it seems sensible he be tagged in case somebody doesn't know that he plays Iron Man. Not the best example, as I expect most people are at least subliminally aware but I hope that explains our thinking!
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Logical Indeed.
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Grayson, I'm sorry but I don't see the relevance of your Iron Man example to the guideline being discussed here, which states that a name can be tagged "if their name appears in the billing block at the bottom of the poster image".

That guideline does not say "if their name appears in the billing block and the actor or character is also depicted elsewhere in the poster". If a name appearing in the billing block alone is not sufficient, then why is the billing block even mentioned in the guidelines?

I'd also like to see a clear answer to Peter's first question, which seems to have been side-stepped here: "Does this include non-actors who appear in the billing block?" The guideline as currently written doesn't explicitly limit this to cast only.

Could you clarify, please, and perhaps update the guidelines if they don't reflect actual policy.

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I agree with Phil that the questions raised haven't been (properly) answered.
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Take this as an example: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154796/mediaviewer/rm3583075840

Are you saying that even though nor Mark Ruffalo, nor the Hulk (the character he plays in this film) appear in this poster, it's still okay to attach his name to this poster simply because he happens to be top billed? What is the benefit of that? On Mark Ruffalo's media index, I would expect all photos to feature him, this picture doesn't.

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Marco, I would argue that things like credit and billing of certain names could and should appear in their galleries as a picture. Same goes for a rare (on IMDb) type of credits and titles screenshots. 
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Marco, I would argue that things like credit and billing of certain names could and should appear in their galleries as a picture.

And my question, as already raised above, is why? I don't see a good reason for it. Maybe their is, but then someone should be able to give it. So far, you've said you agree, as did someone else and Grayson gave an example he himself called "not the best example".
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(obviously, "their" should be "there", but since Get Satisfaction only gets but doesn't give Satisfaction, I can't correct it in my duplicated post, which of course, I also can't delete)
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(Am I the only who doesn't understand why IMDb went to this place after they removed the message boards? I can't look behind the curtain, but from a user perspective, the quality of GetSat is way less than that of the former IMDb message boards.)
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So far, you've said you agree, as did someone else
Not sure if I'm the 'someone else', but I wanted to make my opinion on this clearer anyway, so just for the record my earlier post was based on the guidelines as currently written, not what I think the policy should be.

Personally, I think that a name should only be tagged if an actual image of the person is seen (or, in some cases, an image of their character).

The guidelines, as currently written, suggest that it's also fine to tag a person just because their name is printed on the poster. Like Marco, I see absolutely no value in this: that's not an image of the person, it's an image of their name. If you wanted to know who was top-billed, you should be looking at the title page, not the tagged names on a poster. If you want to know what titles a person was in, look at their filmography, not posters in their image gallery.

but since Get Satisfaction only gets but doesn't give Satisfaction
You're not alone, Marco. But that's the subject for a different thread if you want to encourage me to start ranting about Get Satisfaction's many flaws (and additional issues with the way IMDb uses it).
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Not sure if I'm the 'someone else',

I'm sorry Phil, I should've be clearer. I was referring to Ed.
Apart from that, I agree with everything you say (including the part about GetSat, but let's not get into that now :)).
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All this over a "Logical Indeed"

Yikes.

You all take yourselves too seriously.

I agree with what Grayson and Nikolay have explained.

You have also failed to make any point as to why the names should and could not be tagged. Period. All you both have stated are opinions. Grayson has stated IMDb's position. Live with it.

Lastly. What harm is it that they are tagged? Answer: Zero!
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Hey Phil/Marco - sorry this didn't clear this up for you.

Firstly only cast are allowed to be tagged in this way. Secondly this guideline exists for instances like the Avengers Endgame poster above, and looking at it again I have en even better example: Bradley Cooper.

In the credit block for that poster you'll see Bradley Cooper's name, as he plays Rocket Raccoon. As Bradley isn't on the poster in any other recognisable way you might not attribute it to him, but then his profile is missing a poster for what is surely his highest grossing title.

With a lot of our guidelines they are in place to support the industry. There will often be some room for interpretation, but we rely on the judgement of our contributors to know when things do or don't make sense.
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Firstly only cast are allowed to be tagged in this way.
Could the guide be updated to make this clear, please.
As Bradley isn't on the poster in any other recognisable way you might not attribute it to him, but then his profile is missing a poster for what is surely his highest grossing title.
Frankly, I still don't understand the logic behind this. As I said before, anyone wanting to know what titles a person was in should be looking at their filmography, not posters in their image gallery. I would expect those looking at a person's gallery to be looking for images of that person.

But if that's the policy, then so be it.
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"Only cast are allowed to be tagged" is actually a bit too definitive - my apologies. It is highly unlikely crew would be accepted, but I can see that we might want to allow it in certain circumstances. As such I don't think it's appropriate to update the guide in this instance.
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With a lot of our guidelines they are in place to support the industry.

That is a rather alarming statement. I thought the guidelines were there so that contributors know how and what to submit (and how and what not!) for the benefit of the database and the customers of the database. In my opinion, the guidelines shouldn't have anything to do with supporting or not supporting the industry. IMDb is a database about films, tv series, video games and pod casts as well as the people (cast and crew alike) who made them. Just like anyone, they can of course give input for the betterment of the database, but I fail to see why they should get special treatment. It's bad enough they can buy their way into the database, but after circumventing the rules with money, apparently they can dictate them as well. (Obviously, this doesn't count for IMDbPro, a website created especially for people in the industry. As far as I'm concerned, they and IMDb can do what they want over there.)

That all being said, it is now clear to me why this rule of adding people to poster they are not in exists: because (some) people in the industry (may) want to use film posters as a way to promote themselves.
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With a lot of our guidelines they are in place to support the industry.

That is a rather alarming statement. I thought the guidelines were there so that contributors know how and what to submit (and how and what not!) for the benefit of the database and the customers of the database. In my opinion, the guidelines shouldn't have anything to do with supporting or not supporting the industry. IMDb is a database about films, tv series, video games and pod casts as well as the people (cast and crew alike) who made them. Just like anyone, they can of course give input for the betterment of the database, but I fail to see why they should get special treatment. It's bad enough they can buy their way into the database, but after circumventing the rules with money, apparently they can dictate them as well. (Obviously, this doesn't count for IMDbPro, a website created especially for people in the industry. As far as I'm concerned, they and IMDb can do what they want over there.)

That all being said, it is now clear to me why this rule of adding people to poster they are not in exists: because (some) people in the industry (may) want to use film posters as a way to promote themselves.
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they all appear in their Posters, but the HUlk is In collage at the Hult collage, and its overwhemling for them with family and friends and team workers