Poll Suggestion: BLM: Black Lives Matter

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Today we find ourselves at a sadly familiar crossroads, as the tragic killing of George Floyd once again reminds us of frightening racial inequalities affecting the Black community. We at IMDb strongly condemn all forms of racism and injustice.
 
We stand with people of color in solidarity, and we are committed to using our collective voice to help create a brighter, more inclusive future for all.
 
In this sad state of affairs, let's have a look at some of the films with a happy ending for a black character.
 
Which of these films where a black character wins is your favorite?
 
 
❒ IMDb List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098491520/
❒ IMDb Poll: 
 
 
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Trading Places (1983)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/reference
A snobbish investor and a wily street con artist
find their positions reversed as part of a bet by two callous millionaires.

Dan Aykroyd Dan Aykroyd ... Louis Winthorpe III 
Harvard educated, is successful at his job, has a lavish home ...

Eddie Murphy Eddie Murphy ... Billy Ray Valentine
a black hustler/crook ...
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An excellent suggestion
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Hey Boss, I think the intro is beautifully written (kudos) but we probably shouldn't be speaking for IMDb since we're not actual employees. Since IMDb has publicly supported what this poll embodies, however, I think it's an appropriate suggestion: I''m just thinking it would perhaps be better to quote something that IMDb has officially stated and cite them. I think it might also be ok to use an unspecified "we," although I'm not as certain about that. 
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IMDb commented and supports the African American Community. But It stopped short
in it's statement of mentioning Black Lives Matter. Amazon did. IMDb did not. The title of this poll may imply IMDb recognizes Black Lives Matter, which at this time it has failed to mention in it's official statement. (See bottom left statement in the image below) The title of this poll and the description should not include the organizations name. Yes Amazon did mention it, but ask yourself why was it omitted on the IMDb statement? Since this is an IMDb Poll, "We" should not mention the Groups name.

And when did it become socially acceptable to refer to people by skin color. Last time I checked we are a politically correct society. Are we to take a step backward? Call people by their skin color instead of their ethnicity?

Respectfully Ruby.....this needs a rewrite. This needs a title change. Now I made a suggestion on a rewrite. It has gone ignored.

Thanks for reading.

And the idea for the poll is good. Execution is not.

Last note: I am not "WE". I will be "WE" if I am not continually ignored!

Thanks again.
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It says Black Lives Matter, because it's racism that happens. I didn't hear for white men got shot (by police) on the tv for the last ten years. It seems symptomatic that unarmed black people got shot by police in USA. So why call it "All Life Matters"? That fails the thematic. It's not opposing racism to protect that group of people by changing the game.
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 I didn't hear for white men got shot (by police) on the tv for the last ten years.

-Breu

I do believe you when you say this.

Do you really think zero white men (and zero Asian men, and zero women) have been shot by cops in the U.S. (or anywhere else in the West, or outside of the West), legitimately or illegitimately in the past 10 years?

So how come you "did not hear about it on T.V."?

I swore off further participation on this thread earlier, so I'm going away now.

Breu, question the information that is fed to you, the information that is withheld from you, and the motivations behind all of this.
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They fight for injustice. The word is a little complicated, but shows up the urgency of the issue. They use dramatic words to be effective. But fight doesn't mean they want to fight you. They fight to feel save at last. When I look at documentary feature at tv that report what happens, I could cry. Black parrents need to teach their children to first state that they are unarmed, when police faces them. Those parents got the fear their kids could get shot, If they do not do that.

Just in mind: Please turn arround the situation. Black men conquerred the new land and settle. Then they abduct thousends and thousends of Europen whitees to work for them. They got whipped, if they don't do right. And get killed whenever a black man has enough of them. 150 years later the white people have given their best to be slave no more, but get scorned, bothered and in worst case shot by a black sheriff  while just driving their car. How do you feel, when you read this? I got shivers down my spine.

I still say that I don't have to stipulate what you gotta do overseas. I know that America saved us from the Reign of the Hitler regime. I'm grateful for that. But I nearly cry when I see your country burn. On the other hand -  would you notice the irregularities, if there weren't handyvideos as a proof and the peoples anger? I don't think so. It's not unfounded.
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Selina: No, I don't think so. But I think there are different causes why white or black men got shot. I just count unarmed. Another question: When was the last time, a black person did a massmurder or amok run? I can't remember.

You are right when you tell me, that I'm not completely informed. I don't claim validity. I just told what I perceive in overseas. I guess many other people in Europe perceive the same or simmilar.
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Breu, many yellow vest demonstrators lost their hands or eyes or worse during the marches in France... they got a taste of police brutality and use of grenades and most of the victims were white.... no one really protested or seemed to care outside France.
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Breu, FYI, I'm not American either; my perspective is also that of an outsider looking in.

I do try to get information from all sides as opposed to solely relying on the mainstream media. Usually, the "truth" lies somewhere in between the two (or more) extremes.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
-Mark Twain
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Hi, Breumaster. You wrote, "Black parents need to teach their children to first state that they are unarmed, when police faces them. Those parents got the fear their kids could get shot, If they do not do that." Why do you believe this?! Don't you know that plenty of Americans of Black descent are never taught this yet have also never been injured at all while encountering law enforcement officers?! Unfortunately reliable statistics are not available on the matter. Everybody is just kind of stuck evaluating the anecdotes of notable people, who vary in age and location of residence. Thus much of the beliefs we are left to work with are bred of suspicions, educated guesses or outright myths. Please trust me when I tell you that the experiences of inhabitants of the United Stats vary with location and time period. The situation is nowhere nearly as violent, in quality or quantity, as it had been in times past. The mainstream media outlets tend to misrepresent the likelihood of various kinds of corruptions, and they most frequently completely ignore the corruption of the media sources themselves including universities.
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Hi, Breumaster. You wrote, "Black parents need to teach their children to first state that they are unarmed, when police faces them. Those parents got the fear their kids could get shot, If they do not do that." Why do you believe this?! Don't you know that plenty of Americans of Black descent are never taught this yet have also never been injured at all while encountering law enforcement officers?! Unfortunately reliable statistics are not available on the matter. Everybody is just kind of stuck evaluating the anecdotes of notable people, who vary in age and location of residence. Thus much of the beliefs we are left to work with are bred of suspicions, educated guesses or outright myths. Please trust me when I tell you that the experiences of inhabitants of the United Stats vary with location and time period. The situation is nowhere nearly as violent, in quality or quantity, as it had been in times past. The mainstream media outlets tend to misrepresent the likelihood of various kinds of corruptions, and they most frequently completely ignore the corruption of the media sources themselves including universities.
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Well, just put in this search line in yt:
Black parents teach their children police
One example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coryt8IZ-DE

This might not be the case in some parts of the USA, but in some other states it doesn't look easy to live as a black male/woman/*
Not to talk about the black LGBT+ community. The got it even harder to cope with the system.

But in Germany we have our own problems. We got similar, but other problems. There were 69 threatening mails sent to leftwing and far leftwing politicians by far right criminals, using police computers to gather the adresses of the politicians. So parts of the police are involved into these hate crimes. Now they have to comb the police for far right police man/men to end it.

The mails were signed with NSU2.0, which means National Social Underground 2.0
The last few years, people from the NSU (1.0) were torn into a court of law, with only one convict, Beate Tschäpe. But i fear the network reaches wider than our state Germany will admit.
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The idea that the advice conveyance being undergone in Cut's video "Black Parents Explain How to Deal with the Police" be a requirement for a non-injurious encounter with 21st century American law enforcement personnel is disingenuous propaganda. (The comments section for the video is full of disingenuous rhetoric.) There are children of all colors whose parents will be concerned about the possible dangers of interacting with state actors who believe somebody is guilty of an offense, and those parents teach their children the law, including the Constitution of the United States. The media outlet that Cut is may possibly not have a record of honesty and very likely is incentivized by political donors to not present any sincerely-held beliefs. I should look into it.

Of the media, the same problem exists with Cable News Network (CNN), Microsoft Network National Broadcast Channel (MSNBC), Bloomberg News, The Young Turks (TYT), Democracy Now!, Vox, The Huffington Post (HuffPo), The New York Times (NYT) and The Washington Post (WaPo), and not only them (the mainstream "drive-by media") but also Fox News Channel (FNC) and even perhaps One America News Network (OAN), with political biases opposite of the aforementioned social democrat media outlet bloc. (There are many others as well of course.) Every last one of them tells half truths, and sometimes they outright commit defamation. (You've heard of the way they mistreated one Nick Sandmann, right?) Furthermore, YouTube's search algorithm is biased in favor of CNN above all, as far as "news" be concerned. The only time a Fox News video ever appears at the top of any search results is when there is a newsworthy topic not being covered by CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg et cetera. Conversely, Fox News appears, with rare exceptions, to make it a point not to cover stories of police brutality, police corruption, police perjury or police dereliction of duty. Many Fox News viewers could possibly be left under the impression that poorly-mitigated instances of such things simply do not exist anymore.

Newsy has a so-called chart on the media matter:

But invariably even Newsy would also fail to be impartial. Hell, even Public Broadcast Station (PBS)'s NewsHour, on par with Reuters, is not completely impartial, but at least they are always respectful and cannot afford to pay the consequences for defamation.

In the United States, if law enforcement personnel injure an innocent person (especially a child) to the point of death, then somebody or some agency on the state actor side of the equation will get into deep trouble, provided (but not necessarily provided) that the root cause of interaction was not a criminal behavior on the part of somebody other than law enforcement personnel, and of course provided that no kind of successful coverup is employed by criminals that may possibly inhabit the office of trust that is law enforcement or higher, or adjacent.

By the way, in the parts of the United States where life is very hard for people of Black descent, life is also very hard for people of other descents as well. Believe it or not, there are places where life is indeed harder for poor people of Caucasian descent than poor people of other descents. Life will probably be hard for anybody who lives in a civic district in which the majority of the inhabitants feels that person doesn't belong. Nobody has precisely figured out why any disparities exist in demographic statistics. Some will attribute it to nature. Some will attribute it to nurture. Whereas many will write it off as long-lived systemic racism or at the very least the very long jet lag after the time that many racist laws became inoperative. There is always a big fuss as to which political party's ideas, methodologies and policies lengthen the jet lag. A lot of Americans believe that neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party has a viable plan to mitigate the valid complaints about any civic topic.

Back to Cut's video on the police encounter advice matter. One major problem with it is that it does not bother to address why law enforcement personnel might believe that a "person of color" has committed a crime. For one, innocent people of all colors have been, are and will be sometimes mistaken for a known criminal for fits the innocent person's description. That's actually a major problem, even if it doesn't happen most of the time. Outside of that scenario, why would anybody expect for law enforcement agencies to not go fishing for incriminating evidence when conversing with a civil infraction committer who fits an authentic criminal profile? Disincentivizing that may be a matter of law, uh, tax law.
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Hmmmm
More white folks are shot and killed by police than any other race! That's why "All Lives Matter"
Where is a poll and the organization Hispanic Lives Matter? Or White Lives Matter? Or Asian Lives Matter? Or lastly Unknown Lives Matter? The name of this poll and the organization implies that NO ONE else matters! It is a poor name for an organization and this poll.


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1) It is true that the US has a problem with police brutality/the general attitude of the police, which affects its whole society.
3) Nonetheless, racial biases exist and it is fair to protest against them.
4) One could get rid of mentioning BLM in this poll without losing anything.
5) It's Bonafide's poll. IMDb can intervene if they find the suggestion inappropriate. We users can comment if we feel the suggestion is poorly constructed/badly worded/insensitive. If that is to no avail, there is still the option to ignore it. It's just a poll.
6) Everyone's point of view is valid in principle. There is no objective neutral point here. You certainly are not unbiased and completely factual either. Some of your claims are either purely speculative or are easily debunked by cursory googling.
7) Political Correctness ≠ common politeness and humility.
8) If you are not inflammatory, then I don't know who is.
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One could get rid of mentioning BLM in this poll without losing anything.
My point all along.
I wrote a heading and poll description that has been largely ignored.


A Reprint

An IMDb Boards Poll: All Lives Matter 

With the recent senseless tragic death of an African American man at the hands of the Minneapolis Police Department, we must again face the fact that racism may play a part in some but not all peoples lives. Because of this action protests and rioting have resulted in more death and destruction. But not all people wish ill will against our brothers and sisters on this earth.

To remind us of this we have created a memorium poll for all the lives have been effected by all the tragedies worldwide committed because of racism.

These movies suggested by the IMDb Poll Board Members remind of what we can do when we set aside race and work together as one race. The Human Race!

Which inspirational movie is your favorite?


Some suggestions to start the poll off.



These are NON VIOLENT movies in general, unlike PULP FICTION that glorifies violence and makes fun of it! A poor choice, as are a lot of movies in the poll.

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Ed, I like your alternative poll idea. Especially, because the movies that you listed are completely pacifist.

However, the use of "All Lives Matter" could be  problematic. It is widely criticized. 

I think that the optimal solution would be to choose a neutral title and restrict the options to non-violent movies.
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However, the use of "All Lives Matter" could be  problematic. It is widely criticized.
OK!
Everyone brainstorm.............

Lets suggest a relevant neutral title. One that inflames neither side.

How about Rodney King's Quote:

Why Can't We All Get Along?
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I like this idea.
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Good, I suppose, that you're now open to dropping "All Lives Matter" from this hypothetical list/poll.  A couple other suggestions, if I may: The line "protests and rioting have resulted in more death and destruction" is also confusing--suggesting the conflation of peaceful protests with looting or riots, or blaming the protests for leading to death and destruction.  And perhaps a more stylistic qualm, "...that racism may play a part in some but not all peoples lives" seems needlessly wishy-washy, especially since the same thing is rephrased later as "But not all people wish ill will against...."

Also, as to another of the "news" postings above of yours in this thread, it would seem fair to mention that in addition to more white people being reported shot to death (which isn't even how George Floyd was killed, but whatever), there are also more White people than Black people in the US, which isn't even to say anything about other circumstances, such as whether the white people who died were more likely to be armed.  So, it could both be more likely that a death by police is to be a White person and that a Black person is more likely to be killed by police, which, statistically, they are (some say 2.5 to 3 times more likely).
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Wikipedia says there are 72.4% white people in USA and 12.6% black lives mattering in USA. (Zensus 2010). That means there live 5.7 times less black than white people in the USA. Now please do shorten the killing bar for white people on the factor 5.7 to get the right measurement.
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Yes, scale matters.
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Yes, scale matters.
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If they should proof something, yes. But they can be abused for whitewashing like you see in the example above. Showing overall statistics is the one thing, but keeping quiet about facts that completely overcome those facts is the other thing. It's not that 50% were white people and 50% were black people. There are not equally strong populations of b/w compared in an overall statistc. When you correct it, then there are black people shot by police 3-4 times more often like white people. And this statistic still doesn't say how many of these population parts were armed. Pure whitewashing with unstable "facts". You got to put them into a correlation to get right facts.
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That's a good point, but another problem is that the graphs presented don't distinguish between justified shooting homicides and unjustified shooting homicides. Believe it or not, some of the persons who been shot to death by law enforcement personnel engaged not only in criminal behavior but specifically felonious behavior that led to law enforcement having no choice but to apply extreme force.
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I know there can be bad guys and racists even among law enforcers but I will never make the exception rule my judgment.

I have the utmost respect for people who risk their lives every day to protect us... in France a young (and should I say white?) policewoman was run over by a car because the driver had drugs and didn't want to stop... he had already refused to stop at a previous roadbloack so she had the right to shoot... except that she didn't. She just put herself in the middle of the road thinking he would be wise enough to stop... he ran over her as if she was some animal.

Now she's dead.

The trick is that with all these talks about the so-called racism in the police force I was just trying to imagine the other scenario: had she shot the guy (he was an Arab), it would have been a new Floyd affair in France, because even here, we have our debate about racism. You better believe that she would have been the subject of many accusations and become the living proof of systemic racism and the driver a new martyr of police brutality.

I will never believe the utter indifference when law enforcers die when they are killed by criminals... but the media prefer to cover the instances where some cops turn into murderers... I can understand that but not to the degree that you turn one incident into the revealer that there is something rotten within our institutions and at the end of the day, you start destroying statues of Columbus or Churchill!

The harm from a few rotten apples within the Police will never be as great as what criminals do on a daily basis... and one more thing, racism exists and so does anti-white racism, it's not even a question. It exists in France and as an Arab I hate reading news everyday of crimes committed in the suburbs... against the police, bus drivers, kids who didn't stare at the right woman or even firemen! It hurts me a lot but these are facts I can't ignore.

Have a nice day !
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This board needs "rep points" like VBulletin and other boards.

That answer deserved 5 "Likes".
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Why didn't she jump to left or right side? A car is relativley inflexible in steering at higher speed. That sounds like the people in movies that try to run away from vehicles, well knowing that they're way faster. And no one of these get the idea to simply run of the street.

I agree when you say, that the police officers are mostly on the good side.
But this issue is the "Me Too" for police!

I know that most Police-Officers in Germany do their job well and right. For their problems they have to struggle with, they have three times more value in being a witness in a court of law. And they are not well paid. Im totally ok with these guys and galls who do their job, being good.

But the ones who do hate crimes - and that might be more than officially known - that are the ones who give me sorrows. When they gather adresses of politicians from leftwing or far leftwing by abusing the police computer, that's a crime in G.

We had the case of the NSU in G, who made ambushs on imigrants just because of their immigration. In that case there were so many open questions. Like the police chef, who has let bring a caravan to police before the crime scene investigators could examine the Caravan. After bringing it away, all was in a mess and the traces were smudged.

I followed the case in media by documentations, newspaper articles & state driven tv-stations, etc. ... Police man told the women of the victims, that they had affairs and showed them images of attractive women to get a reaction. The newspapers first told (while the duration of the ambushes, 11 years !), that it's a turkish gang fight and rubbish like that. But not, because the press was wrong. The press got the information from police. So it might be a larger problem in G, but many people can't handle the truth. And as long as you go shopping, all is allright.

There even is a movie about one of the ambushes/terror-acts:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5723272/
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P.S.:
They found one sender of the threatening mails, signed with NSU2.0
They suspect a retired cop and his wife in G/Bavaria
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Dear Breu,

I am in no position to question your facts. I want to say that I take your word for granted.

My problem is that you are exploiting stats of acts of violence from a certain category of perpetrators, in that case cops. You know very well that this approach can be used against any category of people... and then it all comes down to "who killed the most?"

And letting the numbers speak might reveal unpleasant truths... i think Germany still has a problem with its history although 95% of the population didn't live the war, race is perhaps more taboo a subject than in any country so I can understand that white male law enforcers are easier targets....but we should stay rational.

The problem is we live in an emotionally-driven time where everything is reduced to a catchy and striking slogan: MeToo, BLM etc i think the truth is complex, the truth can be unpleasant, and the truth is multilayered and evolving.... the victims aren't always innocent and some bad people are more acceptable than others.

Unfortunately, slogans are too superficial and binary to help us reach that kind of unconcenient truths.
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Quote: "You know very well that this approach can be used against any category of people... and then it all comes down to "who killed the most?""

Yes, but the police is empowered by state. Police-officers have to be examples, not murders. They should fight crime. A Police-officer which is criminal is as useless as a fart. They have to uphold the law, not be the judge. And again ... I think most of them suffer by the deeds of their bad colleagues.

When it comes to that issue, I'm really rational. Just used "Me Too", because it's compareable. Crimes in Showbuiz may be grabbing, raping or something like that. The "Me Too" for police is unjustifiable violence. Just search for it on Amnesty International. You will find plenty of these issues.

But when you look at people like Snoop Dog, who tried to keep the heat down and gave his best to mediate between the two sides, then you got a hero. And sure there are mostly good people on both sides.

When you count down what these demonstrations cost, wouldn't it be better to run programms by state to slow the spiral of violence down? Everytime another unarmed black person is killed by police, it will be the same again. All inclusive. Plundering, looting, burning barriers. That's the truth.
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Hi, ElMo. I suspect that the folks going around destroying statues had been intending to do so for years, perhaps decades. Years ago, on other forums, I tried to explain to political conversers that the desecration/removal of statues wouldn't end with statues of Confederate States army generals, that it would extend much father. The logical takeaway on the statue sentiment is that society shouldn't have statues of anybody who didn't live a flawless life, but yet from what I've observed thus far with Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, Antifa and the like, some of the artists among them seem apt to erect statues of living activists, albeit I'm aware only of one case of this. I don't know: Maybe society should change the naming of all streets such that instead of having names, streets are designated by numbers or hashes. But really, for the most part, there are just a whole bunch of opportunists lurking among peaceful protesters who get a kick out of vandalism, looting and arson, or capturing "fascist" turf, appointing pseudowarlords.
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That's the problem with people thinking in the present: they essentialize things instead of contextualizing them. It's all binary. You start destroying statues and later you burn books or rewrite them. We do live in a scary time.

And Breu, you strike me as a person with great sensitivity and capability of empathy...

... but you can't say that an unarmed black officer is killed by the police, establishing the responsibility of the whole organization. It's a man who kills a man and if you think that a murder has an even more serious resonance if it comes from a uniform then you start hierarchizing the values of deaths.

You asked me why the policewoman didn't avoid the car... why didn't you ask me why he ran over her?

I respect your opinion and I am not saying your reasoning is flawed but it' just too radical and can be turned against your own arguments, for instance Germany has been the target of djihadist attacks recently, if you lost a friend in one of these attacks you would say then: "Islam killed my friend"?

Following your logic, you would... and I wouldn't even blame you.
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I don't strike you,  ... sory ... you get me wrong.

1. I didn't say an unarmed black officer is killed by the police.

2. Policeman are the ones, who know their colleagues best.

3. It is obvious that the same thing happens over and over again. There are several sites that see what happens - and in times of cellphones (smartphones) with cam and video, you can even see the proof, when someone knees 8 minutes and 46 second on anotherones neck until he dies. Or when an obviously totally overtaxed young officer fires several times into a car, killing an unarmed black guy. Damn technique! :(

And yes, again - the point is, that police officers should always stay on the right side and not play the judge. When police officers kill unjustified, then the trust of the people gets lost. That's the most bad thing that can happen to a civilized state. USA is not a Banana Republik.

And also again - I always had the point of view, that I think mostly all officers are GOOD. But a handfull of 1000 destroy the work on peoples trust. So it is a instutional matter for police to watch their own people.

And so I see that regarding the people in the folks. 995 fair demonstrants, 5 people who plunder, loot and burn the barricades. By the way, there were also pictures shown on that a police car drove into some people. Damn video cameras everywhere! :(

I think that poll was very necessary and well done.

No, I wouldn't say Islam killed my friend. But I would wish that they digged deeper. It's not only one man who does an ambush or terror act. Most of these guys are strongly indoctrinated and that needs at least two! So I wouldn't take the muslims under universal suspicion, but I would like that they get the people behind, too. Same for wrong policemen! No universal suspicion, but even when there is no universal suspicion, it still can be an institutional fail. Depends on the structures within some districts. ;)
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Breumaster, I suspect you know but may have, as a non-native communicator of English, forgotten that the phrasing "you strike me as a person" is idiomatic for "you appear to me like a person". It's not an accusation of "you hath struck me", like with your fist or an inanimate object, or even verbally. I too was slightly confused by ElMo's reference to a slain officer of Black descent, but I think he was speculating about how you would respond to a hypothetical scenario of "news". At least, now we are open to the possibility of us misunderstanding each other, on account of problems being lax with language.

On to the next points...

Why you do state that policemen are the ones who know their coworkers the best? Even if this is true, what is the relevance? Or for that matter, what is the context?

"There are several sites that see what happens - and in times of cellphones (smartphones) with cam and video, you can even see the proof" ...and a lot of those sites are one-sided, but that may not always be 100% their fault. How opinionated and deceptive the authors of those sites are is 100% their fault, though. I've found that there is a gross shortage of, or an extreme difficulty to find, videos in which a law enforcement officer is battered, stabbed, choked, burned or blown up by career criminals. My suspicion is that both the law enforcement community and critics of law enforcement techniques don't really want for there to be an abundance of videos like that. The former does not want to be perceived as weak, and the latter does not the silly "police are too militarized" narrative to be compromised even in the slightest. Not to mention that some criminals would likely be empowered by the sight of law enforcement officers being defeated in the line of duty, which will possibly lead at least somebody being injured or dead, on either or both sides of the "cops and cooks" equation.

Also, you're still ignoring the fact that justifiable homicides do occur yet the sensationalist media continue to spin and paint the justifiable ones as unjustified. Once in a while, these outlets will suggest that there might be more of a problem with a law than the enforcer of that particular law, but doing so may open up a whole other can of worms.

"That's the most bad thing that can happen to a civilized state." In your opinion! Ha! Truth be told, there is a problem when any agency or agent, of the state, violates the public trust, and certain offices of trust have the power to do way more damage than low-level patrol officers. Furthermore, it is also a problem when state actors abuse somebody yet are cheered on by the public within the jurisdiction in which the action went down. Sometimes "democracy" itself can be abusive.

"So it is a institutional matter for police to watch their own people." That is going be very hard for the government to implement for as long as the "us versus police" sentiment keeps being espoused by dishonest activists. By the way, the law enforcement personnel do scrutinize other law enforcement personnel for criminal activity within. Some problems can arise, however, one officer makes an "enemy" of a fellow officer working for the same department, and department employees' lives could be put in jeopardy. An evil person with a badge would gladly let an "unfriendly" good person with a badge be defeated to death in the line of duty, or frame that good person of tyranny. Officers' ranks matters in this as well. The higher up the offender is in the ranks, the harder it is to bust him for abuse. Over the course of centuries of the "republic" way, governments have only just begun to scratch the surface thus far for solving some of the ever-increasing complex problems that exist in law enforcement. Generally, the plan is to heavily screen people entering law enforcement professions, but thus far the screening process for them is nowhere near as rigorous as the one for people seeking to become attorneys at law (whereby licensure is required for representing anybody beyond the self in any court of law).

"By the way, there were also pictures shown on that a police car drove into some people." What were those people doing that involved them being in front of a police car? How many of them were injured? How severely were they injured? Did they come forward with formal complaints? If not, then why not?
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Jeorj:


There is many truth in your words. But there are still facts which are not washable.


Strike: Misunderstanding, yes. :D I just wanted to state, that I'm ok with ElMo. :D Sorry for my lack of English language skills. I know that can be irritating, but I try to be as exact as I can.


Colleagues: When I'm in work, I know my co-workers. We comunicate, talk about things and so I know the attitude of mostly all of them. I can't believe, Why this shouldn't be the same in police.


I also know, that police men are not a blue mass. Each of them has his own life, other family members, different experiences and different conditions. One day one can be fit, on another day he or she may have catched a virus, like other people, too. The most necessary thing is to see the human, the person, not an anonymous figure. That's what colleagues of police men can do best, because they see them often without helmet, shield and truncheon. And if they have a colleague that always talks about „the scum of the streets“ or seems unstable, they are responsible to keep an eye on him or her. How was it in the case of George Floyd? There were 3 other colleagues in duty with Derek Michael Chauvin. I don't know the situation was and if they were distracted, but if not: Why didn't they stop him? If they weren't distracted, they must have been clear about the situation, that turns to murder. Damn video proof!


The fatal problem is, that the police needs the equipment when facing an angry mob. But I'm sure there are mostly all people who also know that they are not anonymous blue mass guys. On the other hand these equipments make them anonymous.


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"By the way, there were also pictures shown on that a police car drove into some people." What were those people doing that involved them being in front of a police car? How many of them were injured? How severely were they injured? Did they come forward with formal complaints? If not, then why not?


EoQ


I just saw it on news in state-run tv. The people just stood there

Counter-Question: What scenario would make it justifieable for policemen to use their car as a weapon against people who stood there?


Jeorj, these images run around the world! America isn't overseas anymore. Borders diminish since the digital revolution started. Sure – the people around the world are not in America, but the footages go viral within a finger snap. There is no chance to controll it. By several thousend uploads on youtube and independent news and state-run tv-news that report redundantly, the eyes and ears are everywhere on the planet.


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"Why didn't they stop him?" We're left to speculate, for the time being, if not forever. I present four possibilities, that Chauvin's teammates, if they were not distracted:
  1. Wholeheartedly agreed with what Chauvin was doing.
  2. Simply did not give a shit, one way or the other.
  3. Were afraid of how Chauvin might react to being interrupted.
  4. Feared how the crowd might react if they took lowered their defenses.

These are the kinds of things to be explored in a court of law or though interviews/memoirs afterward. It's important to remember that murder is intentional homicide lacking legal excuse for occurrence; which is different from manslaughter, negligent homicide, wrongful death, defensive homicide, death sentence or other forms. For any of the aforementioned possibilities, an accompanying possibility is that the police officers involved were not giving much thought to the amount of time that Floyd was being subjected to the asphyxiation. We can almost be guaranteed that all of the police officers involved sincerely believed that what they were doing was legal, reasonable and necessary, until/unless perhaps at least one of them testifies against another of them. I've not yet sought out the slightest hint as to why they had the man on the ground in the first place, instead of in the police car.

"I also know, that police men are not a blue mass." That is important to understand, but it is also important to understand is that police departments themselves, as corporate entities, can be corrupt. Offensiveness can span an entire chain of command. In rarer cases, every civil service agency within a town is corrupt, and the cogs in the machine are powerless to do anything about it short of doing what Edward Snowden is famous for having done, albeit ineffectively, to the United States executive branch. Such is a big sacrifice.

"What scenario would make it justifiable for policemen to use their car as a weapon against people who stood there?" If the policemen are outnumbered or outgunned, while the police car is being attacked by persons on whichever side of the car that the car is moving. Even so, the police may have a duty to push the attackers out of the way, using the car, in such a manner as not to produce life-threatening injuries, especially if the police "started it" or violated their obligation to have probable cause and reasonable suspicion, regarding relevant crime, before searching or seizing anything that does not belong to the corresponding police department. If no complaint about a given incident is filed, it is an indication of one, perhaps a blend, of usually two possible things: the involved parties do not want to be busted (fined, arrested or indicted) for any illegal behavior on their own parts; the involved parties are afraid of illegal retaliation by individuals or organizations who want to protect a corrupt state or civil agency.

"There is no chance to control it." There is no need to control the recordings from "going viral", and it would be unamerican to exert such control! Unlike countless other sovereign schemes around the world, the United States are either generally willing or eventually willing to own up to corruptions, imperfections, abuses and callousness that have plagued anything within their jurisdictions. On the very opposite extreme, we have the People's Republic of China; and North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, Russia, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, and the list goes on and on and on. There are many political systems wherein the people do not even have the slightest opportunity to expose abuse, corruption or deprivation of rights under color of law. I do not appreciate being lectured about limiting liberty of the media or right of the people to petition the government for redress of grievances.
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Just one thing: George Floyd repeatedly said he can't breath. They were four cops, he was just one man. There would have been other methods to keep him stored. Handcuffs, the police car ... even a taserload would have been more human. We also have the distinction between Murder, manslaughter, bodily harm resulting in death, and so on. But in that clearness how it's shown by footage, I would bet that a German judge would tell Chauvin, he took the impending death of Floyd as acceptable. That could turn him into murder.

To countries like North Korea: They're really fu. I'm not in love with China. They would have proofed to be a big leader, if they instantly closed their airports and if they would have let the whole world known: "Guys, we have a dangerous virus here, please check your homecoming citizens." But they covered it like a fail they shouldn't have done. And now there are 17. Millions of people worldwide sick and many of them died or will die. A friend does not let you run into the knife. I hope some day they will install democracy.
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I will just ask you a simple question, Breu; what would be the specific case where you would agree to consider the death of a law enforcer a tragedy? Just give me one example please.
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"George Floyd repeatedly said he can't breath." The men standing accused of murdering him or allowing him to be murdered will likely claim either that they did not believe his remarks about not being able to breathe or that they intended for him to go unconscious without him dying, unless one of them voluntarily confesses to intending to take the man's life. I'm not sure how more or less that a taser load would have been humane. In rare instances, people have died from being tased. The point of contact between the electrodes and the skin can leave burn marks, and overall being tased is painful. We're all familiar with the manner in which Rodney King was subdued and arrested, right? I'm starting to think that it may be a fine idea for law enforcement agencies to adopt protocols and equipment that enables their officers to carry out arrests by binding the captive or would-be captive to a stretcher. That way, the arresting officers won't have to worry about trying to beg, convince or coerce the captive to carry his or her own weight.

Regarding the People's Republic of China, the manner by which the government thereof handled the early signs of what has become a pandemic is hardly the only thing wrong with that particular government. No moral person should ever have been an unconditional fan of that supposed "republic". For too long, Westerners have enjoyed the fruits of what has been the product of callous exploitation of child laborers. Westerners ability to do that may soon justly be gone. This on top of the fact that mainland China lacks a system of due process of law anything similar to that of the United States. Inhabitants of mainland China can be and have been indefinitely detained and "reeducated" simply on account of Abrahamic faith: Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Mormonism. (Unsurprisingly followers of Muhammad are treated the worst, given the faith's connection, be it strong or loose, to centuries of terrorism/enslavement that still has yet to be reformed.) We could theorize, however, that the United States established extensive trade relations with mainland China simply so that there would be less of a similar kind of relationship between mainland China and the Soviet Union; the latter which, as we know, dissolved about thirty years ago, but yet for the past decade, it seems that there may be an intent to use force to rebuild the union, perhaps undoing perestroika and glasnost in the process.

"I hope some day they will install democracy." Even if they had such a thing, they still likely would have dropped the ball in regards to the viral outbreak, simply on account of customs that demand meat and poultry derived from a large variety of species, which is fine but the diverse living animals ought not be packed into the same damned warehouses and processing centers. Hell, even the Western democracies (and the United States) screwed up too. Everybody's excuse will be that he or she simply did not know better, that the virus is "just so new". It is almost as if nobody wants to admit responsibility!
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ElMo:
I'm also an oponent of death penalty. So why would I think on something crude? For me it's enough when Chauvin gets his 30 Years in jail.
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I don't think you understood my question, it had nothing to do with death penalty but rather the value of life, I will rephrase it: what would be the circumstances where the death of a law enforcer would elicit a strong emotional reaction from you, just like Floyd's death did?
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Or we can continue the discussion in private, if you prefer.
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I'm an oponent of death penalty, so why would I take the death of a law enforcer as acceptable? But on that case there are also the regular ways. Investigation, prosecution, charge and jail. I don't know why you wanna make a difference in value of life between Floyd and any Police Officer. It's just that Floyd was UNARMED, and the police officer is guilty. Other cases have to do nothing with that case, except that there are again and again black, unarmed people who get shot. Last years there was a time, every few week was another of these cases in the worldwide news. If there were weapons involved, no one would have made worldwide news on it. But damn cameras. Your question only purpose is to distract from the problem, so I've put it back on tracks with my answere. Why should it have been ok, to kill George Floyd?
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Maybe you'll find some answeres here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAnaFwehJW4
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My point is that evil is everywhere and that includes the role models as well... there are good teachers and bad teachers... good mothers and bad mothers... good cops and evil cops... an evil cop would do what Chauvin did... but to say that the problem is within the organization would be unfair.

Now I can agree that the police should be more careful over the people who wear the uniform...just like Lufthansa should have been more cautious about that depressed co-pilot who killed hundreds of people with him... yes there js a responsibility to carry and I think the police also has to answer for the way they treated the yellow vest protestors in France.

Having said that, I also think that most cops are average Joes and Janes trying to make their jobs... a rather ungrateful one in our time... they are family people who risk their lives every day and if we racialize the issue of police brutality there is a risk to undermine the legitimacy of any action committed by a cop even in a case of self-defense.

I live in France and cops, bus drivers and even firemen get perhaps the worst treatment in some hot suburbs... and if we racialize the problem, the white people aren't the Goliaths. So we can talk about violence and we can talk about racism... but believing both come from the same side would be dangerously naive.
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I didn't say that there are no black criminals in America. Sure there are. And if such an African American, who is armed died by a police officer in self-defens, a guy who wants to come home after duty to hug his wife and kids, no one would have made a story of it. Maybe the police men should do more open house days, have more human contact to the regular citizens.

I know when I was a kid, they've gone to schools and showed the kids who they are and answered questions. I never doubted in my whole life, that cops are pretty necessary for all of us. But in the last years there were several news (now Germany), diggin up that there might be some criminal right wing structures in one of our most necessary institutions. So I got some sorrows, but would never refuse police as a necessary instutution. They got to undergo a self-cleaning process.

What happens in France is awful, too. I have to admit, that Iconcentrated my learning more on USA, because it's still the leading western nation. So I take your words for true.

I don't blame it to only one side, but the police has/had the better methods to whitewash unjustifieable murders. I don't think that there are more murders happening in the last times, but by all the devices with a cam around in the crowds, there is more often a proof than in earlier times. With the internet it spreads faster than, let's say in the 80s.
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About France and it's political condition, German news tell too less to really abillify one talking about. I just saw this movie:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10199590/

Maybe you saw it, too and you can tell me how close it is to truth. The mere problem about movies is, that they dramatize facts, so sometimes the provide a distorted picture of the truth.
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ElMo, believe it or not, some organizations are corrupt. Often the principal executive officer of the organization is evil, while a whole bunch of subordinates are too weak or too bought to take corrective actions. Sometimes the principal executive officer is aloof, disinterested, apathetic, weak or bought, and thus unable to take corrective actions against his/her body of evil lieutenants, the birds of a feather who flock together. Depending upon design, the relationships between leaders and subordinates can be coercive to the point of homicidal or nearly-homicidal levels, far beyond members having simple fears of being fired, blacklisted, sued or defamed. Organizations that are structurally incompetent or overly staffed by persons who are lacking in the qualities of organizational defense easily can be infiltrated by crime families, experts of human vices. Stronger organizations may be weak in other ways, such as being led by people who have too big of an ego to ask for help from like-minded similar organizations when they need it, and thus wind up disbanding due to shrinking quantities of staff. A competent honest organization really sort of has to go through all the growing pains of dealing with internal dishonesty and potentially original sins, so as to know all the tricks and develop counter measures for them.
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Thanks but I didn't say organizations could not be corrupt... I was only talking about the Police... in most countries.
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I leave the discussion, because all was said.
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All wasn't said... but yeah its wiser to stop here.
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Well, some police departments are corrupt! Invariably every single country that has ever existed and which has ever had police forces, likely also had at least one corrupt police force. And then there is the matter of police unions, or labor/professional unions corresponding to civil offices in general. I will grant, however, that I've never heard of a major scandal (like embezzlement) concerning the Fraternal Order of Police, only the basic criticisms directed at "shills" and lobbyists, who shape public policy and police internal protocols.

Also, yes, it is correct to state that all wasn't said just yet. I'm not so sure about it being wiser to stop here, but that's up to the individual participants of the discussion. If such discussions were never intended to occur, then why in the fuck was this thread allowed a continued existence to begin with? Ha!
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If Breu believes he said all he had to say, then it means what it means... it's wiser to stop when your interlocutor believes he's got nothing else to say... or you'll just be monologuing... I think it's a complex subject in general, all the more reason to judge it in a rational and non-binary way.
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FYC:

Attack the Block with John Boyega

(or maybe one of his other movies)
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I've stopped adding action-comedies since ElMo pointed out that almost all these films have a happy ending.

Thanks for your suggestion, though. I found and added Ray (2004) instead. :)

Btw, I'm only adding films with 100k votes. I forgot to mention it before 'cause of stress.
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ElMo:
I don't state it's good. But other land, other causes. Or not?
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My point is that the little people -black or white- are all treated like sheep... locked down when it's needed but allowed to go on the streets with the right slogan .. never mind the economical losses... never mind if couples, families or business are already broken... right now the little people -black or white- should question the way the pandemic was handled, the way they might or not recover from it, the roles the media played but they won't because racism is the real plague as it seems... so let's turn the black little people against the white little people... and nothing will change for those who are beyond these considerations and know what the real problems are... to better hide them. Anyway, I am tired of all this... Black vs. White... Men vs. Women, Hetero vs. LGBT etc. Communities... communities... communities... We always bite on the same bait and create our own chaos... same cycle all over and over.
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The Time Is Now: Race and Resolution
8:00 PM ON  AETV |  LIFE | HISTORY
As America faces a defining moment after the death of George Floyd,
A+E Networks is giving voice to the country's rallying cry that "We Need To Talk."
 
https://www.imdb.com/find?s=tt&q=The+Time+Is+Now%3A+Race+and+Resolution
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Face-Off Poll Suggestion: Freedom From Racism Matters


With the recent senseless tragedy that has befallen another African American at the hands of a Law Enforcement Agency, we the IMDb Poll Board Members wish the Floyd Family our sincere condolences.

Out of special consideration this poll will have the distinction of only having two choices that will be the same. 'Cry Freedom'

There will be no winner of this poll. Just votes of solidarity for freedom from racism. Please vote for freedom. Thank you.

NOTE: If the poll software will allow for a single only choice rather than two, it would make a nice gesture. Rather than this poll being a poll by one member here, an account should be created that is a collective account. That way we all can be the creator.
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BonaFide,

A suggestion: Instead of asking about movies "where a black protagonist wins," which may not always be a precise description, maybe you could just ask about our favorite movie "with a happy ending for a black protagonist"?
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Also please note ruby's post above about the "we at imdb" phrasing.
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Updated.

Is it good now?

Edit: Yeah, about that. My list was already reported to IMDb by users multiple times, so if IMDb had any issue with it, they would have contacted me.

Beside, they did say they are against racism and injustice on their Twitter account.
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But if you still want me to remove their name, I'll do it. :)
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But if you still want me to remove their name, I'll do it.

Please do.
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 Peter,

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Keywords

Most Popular Reference To The George Floyd Protests Movies and TV Shows
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I don't think 12 Years a Slave has a happy ending for a black character. The films is a true story, and while Solomon Northup regained his freedom, we are told that in the end of his life he dissapeared and was never heard off again.
I'm reading it is unlikely he was enslaved or murdered, but the film leaves this possibility open.
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Been saying that for over a week.
The selections for movies should not point out negativity, or be too depressing for fear that it may incite someone to act violently towards another because a scene or theme in a movie points out inequality.
This poll needs to be uplifting in all aspects.
As it is now it falls short by a country mile.
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Pencho15,

At the end of the film, we see him reuniting with his family and it shows (text-on-screen) "The date, location and circumstances of Solomon's death are unknown."

It doesn't say that he "disappeared" or anything that'd make us assume that he was murdered or sent back to slavery again.
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HE WAS A SLAVE FOR ..............   12  Y E A R S!

What part of that is uplifting?

NONE!
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This is about a happy ending, not a happy story.

Stop yelling.
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And didn't he write his on story down in the book  the movie was adapted from?
So we can also talk about the first black factual reporter. He rocked it ! When he
looks down from heaven, he must feel proud. His great grandchilds should be
proud of their great grandfather.
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Ed,

Also, he never got justice against his abusers.

And God or Satan only know what happened to the female slave who was being raped, etc.
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Adrian:
Yes, but the incidents were at last reported by Solomon Northup.
That forced a turn. And our generation has a chance to end racism.
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Adrian:
Yes, but the incidents were at last reported by Solomon Northup.
That forced a turn. And our generation has a chance to end racism.
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FOR THE REFERENCE OF FUTURE READERS:

The "Adrian" that Breu refers to above is me, not the 'regular' Adrian; I was using the Adrian Veidt character.

Okay, clearly that one is going to cause future confusion, so I have yet another personality.

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Breu...

Are you basically saying that "All lives matter, but some lives matter more than others?"
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BONAFIDE
Rename yourself. Stop Shouting your name.
Bonafide.................. from now on.
And sorry, but 12 Years is a poor choice. The ending is sad, because of what he went through. You would know that if you were older. But you do not. Ask your parents. They'll explain it to you.
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Edward, please stop referring to peoples' ages.

Refer to their IQs instead. This is the issue here.
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Barbara Ann:
No I don't. Normally it's symptomatic for agressors to think someone "prefers" the victims, when talking about to protect them. That's mostly because agressors think they are of higher moral, but aren't. To protect someone doesn't mean to prefer someone. That's why there are two different words for it.
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Vice versa:
Yes, I want the same secure level to drive around for unarmed black people, like unarmed white people have. If prefering is leading to equal safeness when driving around, then I would prefer them. Same for Hispanic, Natives, Asians & LGBTQ+ people.
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What about illegal aliens?

Amazoncom Illegal Alien Sunglasses - 3 Circle SewIron On Patch
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Depends on their friendlyness. ;D
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? ?
 
The Defiant Ones (1958)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051525/reference
Two escaped convicts chained together, white and black,
must learn to get along in order to elude capture.

Tony Curtis Tony Curtis ... John 'Joker' Jackson
Sidney Poitier Sidney Poitier ... Noah Cullen
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Hi there,

As I mentioned above, I won't be adding comedies or films below 100k votes.

Thanks for suggesting, though.
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Add
Btw, I'm only adding films with 100k votes.
I forgot to mention it before 'cause of stress.
to
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098491520/
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BONAFIDE BOSS ⭐️

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I prefer not to mention it in the poll.
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Update: Miami. 6.12.2020. African American Police Officer assaulted during a Black Lives Matter protest event. Officer seriously hurt. No Black Lives Matter participant lifted a finger to help the black policeman.

What? It only matters if your what? Obviously not what the organization stands for. Hypocrisy in action. BLM is for one thing. Anarchy! They are not for a peaceful civilized society. They are not what you have lead to believe they are by a biased media.

Please close this poll

Please do not let this poll go live.
It will incite if it is.
It really serves NO purpose.
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Ed Jones(XLIX)

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Adrian, not Champion????
What's next Abi-gail
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Alexander NYVKE

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I'm being Adrian Veidt aka Ozymandias.

I'm not dissing Adrian, Champion. Promise.
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Ed Jones(XLIX)

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Ozymandias?
Is that not medicine for colds and allergies?
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Just if your are the president. ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias
It is also one of the anti-heroes from 'Watchmen':
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409459/
3rd billed.
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Poll Suggestion: Women in India Matter

Today we find ourselves at a sadly familiar crossroads, the illiteracy inequalities that effect the female community in India. The world will agree that this injustice needs addressing.

We wish to raise awareness and help create a brighter, more literate future for all.
 
In this sad state of affairs, let's have a look at some of the films with a happy ending for an Indian Women character.
 
Which of these films where the proud repressed Indian Female character wins is your favorite?

Does this theme sound familiar. Are there any movies in India about this subject?
Sounds like a really good poll suggestion.

https://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india/society/current-major-issues-in-india

Illiteracy

The percentage of illiteracy in India is alarming. Though 74.04% of people were counted as literate in 2011 census, there is a wide disparity between rural and urban areas and male and female population. The condition in villages is worse than in cities. Though a number of primary schools have been set up in rural India, the problem persists. Many people who are counted as literate can barely read or write. Hence, providing education just to children won’t solve the problem of illiteracy, as many adults in India are also untouched by education.



This is in your news.

Should we make a poll about it?

Of course not.

It is an internal affair of your country. I would not make such a poll pointing this out. It would be wrong.




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This is not the thread to suggest polls.

Don't spam here.
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Ed Jones(XLIX)

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Hurts....doesn't it.

Close this poll
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Ed Jones(XLIX)

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Please make polls about entertainment.
Not social issues.
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BONAFIDE
Rename yourself. Stop Shouting your name.
Bonafide.................. from now on.
Please
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Ed,

It may not be your country, but my great grandparents were born there.

I think I have the right to make such a poll, what do you say?

:)
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Thank you!

Thank you very much!
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Breumaster

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Congratulations! :D
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Oswald wrote:
This board needs "rep points" like VBulletin and other boards.
Oswald,
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