Live Poll: A Look at Satchmo - Part I

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Louis Armstrong is unquestionably the biggest icon of dixie jazz. He was the king on the trumpet and had a special distinctive voice that was unique. Duke Ellington said about him:

'He was born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way.'

Please remember Louis Armstrong lived from 1901 to 1971. That was a time when African Americans had even more significant struggles than today.

So I want to know what the audience may think when it actually would come to a biographical biopic, what directors, actors, writers, clothing designers, set decoraters, make-up artists and sound department would you engage to make the trumpet rise up.

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If you were a producer, with a budget of $60 million or above, which director below would you choose to make a biographical drama about Louis Armstrong?

The List:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls022003075/

Poll:
https://www.imdb.com/poll/jjoyGsEK5pc/
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Taylor Hackford since did movie Ray.
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after what he did with 'bird'...i'd go for clint...
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Perhaps you should consider adding Damien Chazelle. He hasn't done any African-American themed movies as of yet, but he has done three strongly focused on jazz. A director should not only have an understanding of black culture but also a deep love of jazz music for this movie to be good.
Also for your consideration: Alan Hicks, who directed 'Keep On Keepin' On', a 2014 biographical film about jazz trumpeter Clark Terry,
and Spike Lee (Mo' Better Blues, 1990)
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Thank you for contributing. :D
I put  Damien Chazelle and Spike Lee in. I think they're both adequate directors to do the right thing. ;) I'm not really sure about Alan Hicks. Making a documentation is the one thing, but can he dramatize the life of Louise Armstrong? I don't write about a pure documentation. I want to get more emotional insights about his life like in the movies about the other musicians, e.g.  in 'Ray' or 'Get on up'.

By the way, this polls would all stay fictional. I'm no producer. I just want to know how the community would start this movie that isn't planned. But I must admit, it would be nice, if some good filmmakers would pick up the subject and show the audience how Louis Armstrong's life was with all his ups and downs.

I just put Chazelle and Lee in the list. I guess they would do fine.
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Groovy. I didn't realize Keep on Keepin' On was a documentary when I posted the comment, but I'm glad the other two suggestions were satisfactory.
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'Swing Kids' forever. ;)   Keep on swingin' :D
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Eastwood or Spielberg
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FYC:
Julie Taymor - might be a funky version of his life - Frida, Across the Universe, Broadway's Lion King
Martin Scorsese - could be a VERY interesting take - maybe go into the dark side of being a black performer in that time period - Wolf of Wall Street, Shine a Light, The Aviator, Goodfellas
Dee Rees - Pariah, Mudbound
Jordan Peele - I'd love to see his version of Satchmo's life - Get Out
Mario Van Peebles - Panther, Baadasssss! (aka How to Get the Man's Foot Outta Your Ass)

And I wouldn't pick him but Tyler Perry should be on this list.
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Hello, Jen.
Thank you for contributing. I put in Jordan Peele and Julie Taylor. I've klicked the movies of Tyler Perry on IMDb and I can't imagine he would do this well, even without to have seen his movies.  Satchmo was a very special high-performer. This thing would take an director who is outstanding in a special way. Is there a special cause, why I should put Tyler Perry on the list? I put martin Scorsese on the list, but first I thought he allways shows the life of white people. Can he do black heroes as well? Remember he's old and I sure don't want to put him in charge for something. But when he does, it sure would be a clear portrait in oldstyle anyway, because he is outstanding for sure. I believe in him. So I put him on the list. ;)  Thank you for contributing.  :)
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Some pro's why I have put Scorsese on the list:

+ He is a top-director, highly acclaimed in any way
+ He has experience showing the 20's, 30's ... 60's ...
+ He got the composure to do such a picture
+ He did some high-worthy biographic movies
+ He has the necessary connections and possibilities.

There are many more for sure, but these above are 'good' to 'very necessary' to do such a high quality movie with dignity for it's musical-icon that should be uphold, even by telling the whole biographical truth.
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I voted for Scorsese for something you totally had missed and this will make you back peddle on that “ I just hinted on the fact, that I've not seen any Scorsese movie that has a black leading role or a bigger black supporting role.”
Look at his documentaries and video shorts. Many of them are concert films, music videos and, yes, documentaries about rock, the blues and Jazz music. Three will cause you to back peddle super hard.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000217/?...
- “Woodstock” he was second unit director on that one.
- The Last Waltz - a concert film about “The Band”
- “Shine a Light” a Rolling Stones concert film
- “George Harrison: Living in the Material World” (2011) - Yeah, George Harrison of The Beatles.
- “No Direction Home: Bob Dylan” about the singer songwriter Bob Dylan.
- and maybe “Vinyl”.

Now the three:
- “Micheal Jackson: Bad” video
- Feel Like Going Home episode on a series documentary, “The Blues”.
- Scorsese was not only the executive producer of Lightning in a Bottle (2004), He was also the producer of the concert itself on which the movie was based on.
Someone may need to apologize to Marty.
Oops, I forgot producer of a documentary biography on Blind Will Johnson The Soul of a Man (2003).

I’m sorry Marty for missing that one of yours.
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No, I won't apologize. And I don't know why are you so dogged to that point.
I put him on the list, so what? I just said, I haven't seen him directing black
leading actors - not that he hasn't ever directed black leading actors or bigger
black supporting actors. There is a slight difference between those contents
you should look for.

You could have looked earlier for "Shine a Light", Michael Jackson's Bad
video and all you mentioned above. I can't know everything he did. And I
just said "I don't know" - If no one corrects me - It's not my fault.
You seem to have investigated only  to see me backpeddle. I won't !
I wrote his great pro's on the comment and put him on the list. I
don't have to backpeddle. ;D  It was not a  try to mock Mr. Scorsese,
so I don't have to apologize. I always was a fan of his work, he is great !

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And he is old enough to have learned oldscool-thinking about black people in his youth. But I don't want to prejudge him or say something completely false on him. When you look at his movies, which were about black people? 'Wolf of Wallstreet', 'Hugo Cabret', 'Goodfellas', 'The Departed', 'Casino', etc ... I've not seen one movie from him, where black people had a role that matters. For my defence - if I'm wrong - I've NOT seen ALL of his movies. ;)) Maybe there were some, so please tell me

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I had the fear, he could be not suitable. But I also state clearly, that I don't want to prejudge him or say something completely false on him. It's not easy for me handling 'suspucious circumstances' political correct or diplomatically. That's I'm apologizing for. But I sure didn't want to mock Martin Scorsese. ;)

But thank you for teaching me, he worked with black leads. Now I know that,
too. Next time I can take this to my considerations.
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Actually the back peddling was the secondary part. What drew my attention is that you didn’t list any of his concert films where he had to work with musicians and performers on stage and an audience. I think that might help.it also shows that he has a love for music. But I can see how you could have over looked it because they were listed as documentaries on the IMDb.
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Yes, so it is. I didn't knew about them. But now  I feel more and more good to have put him on the list. And now even more because I know, I was wrong about missing some details. I got so much to keep in my head from the job I do ... I can't really go into all details of moviebiz without neglecting other urgent things in live. But I'm glad you mentioned some Details that complete my view on Mr. Scorsese - or Marty - in some other ways. ;)
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'Interesting idea. Of those on the list, Spike Lee or Scorsese. 

FYC:
Sean Baker (he makes films like nothing anyone has seen before and he & Satchmo seem like a perfect fit because of several artistic choices he's made; his aesthetic palette mixed with Armstrong's story and music would be pure, vivid color)
Dee Rees (did a film about Bessie Smith, as well as Oscar/critic winner 'Mudbound,' and others)
Todd Haynes ('widely considered one of the best directors; did biopics of Bob Dylan and 80s glad rock)
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He (Baker) made The Florida Project and Tangerine.

Dennis Haysbert was one of three leads in Haynes's Far From Heaven.
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I've put Todd Haynes to the list. I don't have seen any movie of him, but I  feel more confident about choosing him, now. He seems to had made some good drama's and even one good biography, so why not. :) But to be honest - if the list would be full of better picks and there were one better pick, I would eventually kick him from the list.

By Sean Baker, I'm still unsure. Just only Oscar-experience isn't enough for such a project of high-dignity. It's more about - if the director would be suitable for this movie. Loius Armstrong was and is a icon to nearly every jazz-lover. Don't underestimate the thoughts of music-lovers. Jazz-lovers sure want to look at an adequate picture. :)

So when it comes to directors I haven't seen anything from, it's hard for me to rely on suggestions. I hope you understand my intention. Making such a movie sure wouldn't be a low-budget production. Everything below 60 million dollars wouldn't be adequate for such a film. If I would be a producer, I would take a closer look to each directing-candidate, if he could do that movie. But I'm no producer - I'm just a german, who is interested in such a (for now ) fictional project. But why not do as it were serious? :)

So I want to know something about the director I put to the list. And I must rely on your words as I as an amateur don't have the opportunity or the insight to really choose B-directors I haven't seen movies from. ;)

Why should I put Baker on the list? What makes you sure, he could do such a movie? Maybe I should watch this movies you mentioned?
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I think Rocky makes a good point about Haynes' handling of a multi-faceted life.  

If Baker can make one of the most acclaimed films of 2015 ('Tangerine') with an e-phone and almost no budget, and easily one of the most acclaimed films of the decade ('The Florida Project') with an incredibly modest budget and a cast that only included only one professional actor (Willem Dafoe), I can't imagine the masterpiece he could make with the budget he's likely to be offered for whatever his next project is. He's arguably the most empathetic directors working and this gives me another opportunity to recommend 'The Florida Project' to yet another poll author, lol. (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/poll-suggestion-imdb-poll-board-top-5-picks-for-2017?rfm=1&a...)

Lee Daniels, Steven Spielberg, Eastwood, and Taylor have a real talent for overdoing the obvious, packing complexities into binaries, and devolving into sentimentality. I can't imagine Rees, Haynes and Baker ever doing those things. 
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When you look at the list, Haynes is in for about some hours. For such a movie in this fictional poll-list-example, you need many black actors and maybe some actors who are well paid, some people who demand their money for extraordinary performance. So the main characters may cost a bit.  I like your comment, but I think it's an error to expect a director does more when he gets more money. I thought that, when Aronofsky got a big budget for doing 'Noah'. That was the first time I was disappointed by one of his movies. Money isn't all of it. :(


Motivation and talent is a good way for a good movie. If the director himself says ok, ok, I do that, just because it's a lot of money doesn't guarantee a good movie. I will watch one or two of Bakers movies. But with 'The Florida Project' it's the first time, I heard of him. Please understand me. I'm a big fan of Satchmo's music. It could be that it needs more than money. Baker would need connections to music departments, older people that knew Armstrong personally for enquiring his life, links to older musicians who can talk about him, employees who investigate the legal situation, copyrights, and so on, and so on. This would be a movie for a machinery of connected people working on it. ;) It's the question, if this movie is motivating enough for Baker. I still can't consider, if he would rock it.

I will watch 'The Florida Project' soon when it comes to rent on Amazon. And yes, despite the fact that some directors might overdo, all-in-all it will be a dramtized biography. Just think about scorsese's 'Goodfellas' or the very good 'Texas Buyers Club' from Jean-Marc Vallée. Good Drama-biographys are allways a little pushed in a dramatical way. As long as it's not to far of the way, it might be good. I'll watch out for some movies of Baker. ;) Maybe that changes my mind.
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Ok, I put Baker on the list. :)
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A few corrections:

"Louis Armstrong unquestionably is the biggest icon of dixie jazz."

"If you were a producer - with a budget of $60 Million or above: Which director below would you choose to make a biographical drama about Louis Armstrong?"

In general, try to keep it simple so voters are not confused by the text.
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Thank you much! I always struggle with writing english from a German p.o.v. I don't want to confuse, but accidently do it by mixing english with german grammar. It's so good to be in touch with you and the other buddies on getsatisfaction for getting better. I learn so much, sometimes I turn back by old habbits. But you know - practice makes perfect (or at least better). I corrected that.

I've seen some buddies on getsatisfaction  mark the changes in bold. That's more easy for me to correct and i see the mistake in one look. But anayway each help is welcome by me. :)

Thank you, Peter. :)
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Corrections:

Louis Armstrong is unquestionably the biggest icon of dixie jazz. 

#19: Moulin Rouge
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Thank you. I corrected it. :D By 'Moulin Rouge' my keyboard again swallowed the typo. I guess I have to buy a new one, soon. :)
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Yay, this is really looking good! 

Your intro is quite good, too; I just have a few suggested edits, most in bold below:

Please remember Louis Armstrong lived from 1901 to 1971. That was a time when African Americans had even more significant struggles than today. 

According to the choice of IMDb poll board users: If you were a producer, with a budget of $60 million or above, which director below would you choose to make a biographical drama about Louis Armstrong?

(Note: This poll is a fictional issue.)

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Ok, I've changed that. Looks good, now.

I've a workmate at my job, who is from Greece. He has the same struggles with the german language as I have to find the right english words. So I can understand his situation very good. But he does speak english much better than me. ;)
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English is a ridiculously difficult language: among other oddities, it has almost as many exceptions to rules as it has rules, lol.  Most first-language speakers have problems with it, especially when writing. I'm a writer and have studied it for a long time and have often taught it and I still have to double check things on a pretty regular basis. You do a great job.

I have always struggled with languages other than my first language of English. I taught English in China for a year and, at first, I couldn't get my students to speak in class. The way I finally got them to relax a bit was to speak Mandarin to them: they laughed so hard that the school's principal came up to make sure everything was alright. Even then, my Mandarin was atrocious, as is my Spanish, and my Russian is now almost non-existent. I'm not the least bit proficient in any other language than English so I envy and admire anyone who can communicate with more than one language. :)
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Cool, thanks. :D
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What a Wonderful Poll ...
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I’m too late for this one. I like the poll and the subject matter.

I feel that you need a director who knows how to direct a musical and has a love for jazz. But just any jazz, but Schmo’s which was more, as you said, “Dixie Jazz”, but he could do big band swing too. I think you would need a director who loves jazz music (which is why Eastwood did so well with “Bird” and “Honky Tonk Man” - he is a jazz enthusiast and also loves country music too).

I would have suggested Frances Ford Coppola because of his The Cotton Club because (please forgive me if I sound like Edna Mode here), because “It was BOLD! It was DARING! And stylish too. Don’t forget that part.” He understands the era and he understands music. He grew up in it. Born 1936.

Another suggestion, but this film involves a more sophisticated type of jazz, Steve Kloves (the writer directs too), The Fabulous Baker Boys (1989). I also nominate him for writing the screenplay too.


Louie played a cornet, not a trumpet. Big difference between the two brass instruments.


If you want too see Schmo in film, I suggest not only his cameo in “Hollo Dolly”, where they used his version of the musical play’s title song another the orginnal version, but also his appearances in The Five Pennies And others where he played himself.

Enjoy this from “The Five Pennies” - oh before you view it, understand two things when viewing it. 1) Don’t confuse it as a comedy when you see Danny Kaye here, it is a serious dramatic bio picture of the life of Red Nichols. 2) Since you are German, understand that whistling in America is opposite to what it is in Europe. whistling in Europe, as I understand it, means booing or disapprove. In America, it means wild enthusiastic applause.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QCZ4KCN...
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'the five pennies' is one of the best...
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"Hello Dolly" - who hasn't? ;)

I Thought, he played different instruments. Trumpets, the cornet and the trombone.
For sure he played so ardent and intens, each piece of music from him is pure passion andjoy of life. Even his darker masterpieces like 'Otchi-Tchor-Ni-Ya' is so packed with musicaljoy. I like mostly the not so white pieces like 'Basin Street', 'Kiss of Fire', 'A Kiss to Build a Dream on', 'The Dummy Song' or 'Don't Fence me in'. The most popular are a little ear-worn, even if they are beautiful. ;) I've seen him in a few roles. But on his private life, I do know nothing. Now it's a few years, that Schmo has left earth (1971, 7.6.) so think it would be time to someone make a groundbreaking movie about him. ;)

I think you could advise me with this poll-suggestions. You seem to have a more profound knowledge of him, so we both  could do this together. I have a suggestion with the writers (Part III). But no still Part IV. If you want, you could suggest Part IV with some more interesting things like the sample of masterpieces that should be cornerstones in his life. like e.g. The time when Louis came to the good book and did gospels. Or the time, when he was bigger renowned in his later life. Or something like that.

Everyone still can suggest. The more users do, the better it should get. It could be dynamic. :D
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And for your listening pleasure, two scene from Howard Hawkes’ A Song Is Born. (1948).
What makes it so sweet is that many swing and Jass and Big Band musicians are playing themselves in the movie (except Benny Goodman, Clarinet, was playing one of the professors in the film).
Louis Armstrong - Cornet
Benny Goodman - Clarinet
Lionel Hampton - Vibraphone
Mel Powell - Piano
Tommy Dorsey - Trombone
Charlie Barnet - Sax and band leader
Samba Kings
The Golden Gate Quartette ( honestly, I had never heard of them but boy did they sound good with their take on that gospel song.)
Page Cavanaugh Trio
Louie Bellson - drums (he played with Duke Ellington). I think he was to stand in for Gene Krupa who was in jail at that time for having been caught and arrested for possession of a small amount of marijuana. But Belkson was excellent in his own right too.
Harry Babasin - bass cello
Alton Hendrickson - Guitar
Only Virginia Mayo, professional actress who could sing, as the Chanteuse Honey, was not a jazz star.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBj_0UG...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wftSKSn...
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Thank you, nice! :D
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