Please add the following certificates for Spain

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For Spain, you have to add certificates ES-15 (used in iTunes and Apple Plus TV), ES-3 (PEGI rating system) applies to videogames, ES-4 (Apple Store) applies to videogames and applications, ES-17 (same as ES-4). I also recommend delete ratings 0+, 6+ and 9+ which are used in Disney Plus and replace them by ES-0, ES-6 and ES-9. That is all. As a result, Spanish certificate list should look like that:

ICAA 

Current ratings (2010-)

  • A - Suitable for all viewers ("apta").
  • A/fig - Suitable for all viewers, recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • A/i - Suitable for all viewers, classed especially suitable for children.
  • A/i/fig - Suitable for all viewers, classed especially suitable for children and recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • 7 - Not recommended for viewers under 7.
  • 7/fig - Not recommended for viewers under 7 and recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • 7/i - Not recommended for viewers under 7, classed especially suitable for children.
  • 7/i/fig - Not recommended for viewers under 7, classed especially suitable for children and recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • 12 - Not recommended for viewers under 12.
  • 12/fig - Not recommended for viewers under 12 and recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • 16 - Not recommended for viewers under 16.
  • 16/fig - Not recommended for viewers under 16 and recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • 18 - Not recommended for viewers under 18.
  • 18/fig - Not recommended for viewers under 18 and recommended for the encouragement of gender equality.
  • X – Extreme content, available for distribution to over 18s in designated venues only.
  Old ratings

  • 13 - Not recommended for viewers under 13 (used between 1984-2010 as a national and DVD rating. Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and Catalan TV titles still use it.)
  • 14 - Not recommended for viewers under 14 (used between 1972-1984 as a national rating. Not used anymore after 1984.)
 Non-ICAA ratings

  • Banned - Actively deemed unsuitable for local distribution (actually censored).
  • TP - Suitable for all viewers - TV ratings only ("todos los públicos")
  • 0 - Suitable for all ages (Disney Plus).
  • 3 - Suitable for all ages (PEGI).
  • 4 - Suitable for all ages (Apple Store).
  • 6 - Some scenes may be unsuitable for children under 6 (Disney Plus).
  • 9 - Some scenes/content may be unsuitable for children under 9 (Disney Plus and Apple Store).
  • 10 - Not recommended for viewers under 10 (Catalan TV titles only).
  • 15 - Not recommended for viewers under 15 (iTunes and Apple Plus TV).
  • 17 - Content unsuitable under the age of 17 (Apple Store).


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You classified this as an Idea, but Ideas are largely ignored by IMDb staff.
Would you like me to change this to a Question, so that staff will look at it sooner?
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Yes, this is more a Question. I did not know Imdb ignored suggestions.
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done
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You should report it as a problem, since this certificates are missing. However, I begin thinking that ES-15 certificate (by context) may be a mistake from iTunes and Apple TV+, because in this catalogue there are supposed to be official by country ratings (in this case the ICAA, and not add inexistent ones), in Spain these are and have been: A/TP, A/i, A/i/fig, 7, 7/i,  7/i/fig, 12, 12/fig, 13, 14, 16, 16/fig, 18 and 18/fig. X-rated titles seem not to be found in iTunes since only can be found in specialized platforms thought for that content to be searched. To sum up, my message is that iTunes and Apple TV have the same certificates as the national approved ones (in this case by the ICAA), and 15 and over has never ever been a rating applied nor approved by the ICAA, however, 14 was. As for Apple Store ratings (4, 9, 12 and 17), Disney Plus ratings (0, 6, 9 and 12) and PEGI ratings (almost identical to the ICAA, only difference using 3 instead of A, which actually means exactly the same) I keep my problem report since this ratings are not local.
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Hi there

I have passed this onto the relevant team.

Someone will be in touch when we have an answer for you,

Thanks!
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Hello Jordete25,

Thank you for your message! 

PEGI is an international standard and does not use a 4 rating - unofficial ES versions of their certificates wouldn ́t be appropriate. As for 4 and 15, I suspect you might be viewing content rated for other regions in the platforms you mention (perhaps being distributed in original or subtitled versions). AppleTV+ took a little time when it launched to display regionalised data, but it now displays the correct local certificates, all of which we already list. If you still have concerns about this, please forward a screenshot that clearly allows us to see that we are looking at regionalised content we are missing and we'll be happy to investigate.

We love suggestions! Your suggestion seems to be that we remove TP, Not Rated, and S. However, TP is different if equivalent to A, as it only applies to TV titles, not theatrical titles; "Not Rated" is a different statement than saying we do not know if a title is rated, and it applies only to movies that have distribution regionally without ever having been rated (you see these in filmotecas, for example), and S is a historic certicate equivalent to the contemporary X. Did I miss any other suggestions in your chart? 

 Thanks for getting in touch, 

 John

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The certificates I have been referring seem to exist and shall be added. I am providing a single URL example to provide evidence of each one:

Evidence that 3 is paneuropean and has to be added as a certificate in all/most European countries, (its initials say it all):

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_E...

Evidence that 4 is used (Spanish App Store):

https://apps.apple.com/es/app/candy-c....

Evidence that 15 could be a self-applied certificate like 0+, 6+ and 9+ from Disney Plus or just a mistake before imdb deleted it and added 14:

https://itunes.apple.com/es/movie/el-.... (ICAA: rates the title A, equals to G from MPAA)

Evidence that 17 is used (Spanish App Store):

https://apps.apple.com/es/app/high-sc....

Evidence that PC rating exists and has to replace 'Not rated' (ICAA):

https://www.icmedianet.org/es/calific....

Evidence that AM (Autorizada mayores) exists and has to replace the badly formatted 'Apta para mayores':

http://infoicaa.mecd.es/CatalogoICAA/....

Thank you for repplying me
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I agree that we should add 3 as per PEGI https://pegi.info/ and 4+ as per your example on the Apple Store, as the content is regionalised. 

17+ seems to apply to non-regionalised content - the correct thing to do would be to add the rating as seen on screen to the country were it is rated, and Not Rated to Spain, as it is distributed without a local rating. 

We have only come across 1 genuine case of 15, which is AppleTV+'s Servant, and we actually think this is mistake on AppleTV+'s catalogue, as they updated all other titles with a local certificate soon after launching, but not Servant. We have added the correct certificate in this instance, but we do not currently think it is appropriate to add it for general contribution.

We have considered adding PC before; this would not replace Not Rated. PC or "pendiente de calificación" stands for "pending rating". Not Rated applies to titles that are not rated at the time of distribution. We decided against adding it because these are titles that have been submitted by film-makers to ICAA for rating, and will be rated inminently: adding PC to such titles would mean they don ́t surface on IMDb Answers, spoiling our contributors' fun.

Thank you very much for the AM example, we knew this one needed correcting but hadn ́t been able to locate an example. For clarity, this is a historic certificate that was, in its day, equivalent to today's 18. This movie for example is now simply an A for "Apta para todos los públicos" http://infoicaa.mecd.es/CatalogoICAA/Peliculas/Detalle?Pelicula=59798

I have cut a ticket to the relevant team requesting that 3 and 4+ are added, and that Autorizada Mayores is corrected as "Apta para mayores"; we will edit the Help Pages to clarify that 3 and 4+ are videogame only rating, and that "Apta para mayores" is a historic rating.

Thank you for helping us get better at what we do!

John
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My final ressolution is that you create apart general rating systems like ESRB, PEGI, Disney Plus, Apple Store Netflix... age rating systems in order to make clear future contributors when these ratings apply correctly. In this case we should leave local ratings untouched except making a clear distintion between local natiinal ratings and TV ratings. In the case of Spain we have TP (TV rating) and ES-10 (used only in Catalonia TV programming). These ratings are no used by ICAA. Also, we should make a distintion between obsolete certificates and current-used certificates. As for Spain old National ratings are: 13 (used 1984-2010, still used in other media), 14 (1972-1984, not used after 1984), 16 (1972-1984, reintroduced in 2010), Autorizada Mayores (before 1972 or so) and S (probably same as 14). Current ratings are: A, 7,12,16,18 and X. A and 7 can receive anagram 'i' (classed for children) and all ratings except X can receive anagram 'fig' (encourages gender equality).
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Hi, Jordete and John:

Just a couple of comments:



S is a historic certi[fi]cate equivalent to the contemporary X
S (probably same as 14)
Neither of them. Contemporary rating applies mostly to adult (porn) titles, whereas anagram , which was attached to a subset of titles during the period 1978-1983, was issued to films with a high degree of eroticism and/or violence, but never porn.

Before the creation of the certificate, porn titles in Spain were rated as "CLASIFICADA/AUTORIZADA EXCLUSIVAMENTE PARA MAYORES DE 18 AÑOS" (authorized only for people over age 18), i.e. people under 18 are forbidden to enter the cinema room. Not to be confused with the "standard" rating "NO RECOMENDADA PARA MENORES DE 18 AÑOS" or equivalent denominations (not recommended for people under age 18), when people under 18 are allowed to enter the cinema room, either mandatorily accompanied by an adult (until 1983), or unrestrictedly (1983-nowadays, i.e. the rating's age is just a recommendation).

 More info about the anagram: here.



Thank you very much for the AM example, we knew this one needed correcting but hadn ́t been able to locate an example. For clarity, this is a historic certificate that was, in its day, equivalent to today's 18.
I have cut a ticket to the relevant team requesting that 3 and 4+ are added, and that Autorizada Mayores is corrected as "Apta para mayores"

Only partially true . "AUTORIZADA MAYORES" (not "Apta para mayores"!!!) is an oversimplification of the complete "AUTORIZADA PARA MAYORES DE 16 AÑOS". At the time of releasing Sunset Blvd. in Spain (1952), the norm "Disponiendo la reorganización de los organismos de censura cinematográfica" (B.O.E. 26 Nov 1942) ("Providing for the reorganization of film censorship bodies") regulated the matter, and recognized the following three only valid certificates (see screenshot below):
   "RECOMENDABLE PARA MENORES DE 16 AÑOS" (recommended for people under age 16)
   "TOLERADA PARA MENORES DE 16 AÑOS" (tolerated for people under age 16)
   "AUTORIZADA {SÓLO} PARA MAYORES DE 16 AÑOS" (authorized {only} for people over age 16)


This classification was in force until March 1964, when three new "AUTORIZADA MAYORES ratings" were created:
   "AUTORIZADA PARA MAYORES DE 14 AÑOS" (authorized for people over age 14)
   "AUTORIZADA PARA MAYORES DE 18 AÑOS" (authorized for people over age 18)
   "AUTORIZADA PARA MAYORES DE 21 AÑOS" (authorized for people over age 21)

Therefore, "Spain:Autorizada Mayores" is an extremely incomplete denomination for the certificate, tantamount to saying "Italy:VM" (vietato ai minori - forbidden to people under age), which is a non-existent rating, unlike the valid "Italy:VM12", "Italy:VM14", "Italy:VM16" and "Italy:VM18" (forbidden to people under age 12, 14, 16 or 18 respectively). Hence, "Spain:AM" should actually be (IMHO) "Spain:16+" (not "Spain:16", because people under 16 were forbidden to enter the cinema room; see last part of the aforementioned Art. 6 of the B.O.E.).

More info about history and comprehensive evolution of Spanish ratings (with supportive legislation): here.



Cheers!

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