Need advice to prevent declined contributions

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I often submit contributions for anime titles involving both Japanese and English casts.

Unfortunately not every fan appears to care as much or be as thorough as myself concerning details and accuracy.

I feel bad for criticizing an otherwise great site but in my personal opinion whoever is overseeing the submissions for anime content isn't doing a very good job (or is possibly an understaffed department)

Of the worst and most obvious examples is how an uninformed fan (or possibly the talent themselves or some rep of theirs) will lazily "Select All" episodes in a series to credit to a role when the cast member has in fact only worked on a select number of episodes.

For some odd reason this awful behavior only seems to be associated with anime credits. American cartoons for example usually don't suffer from this laziness and their imdb credits are a far more trustworthy source of information.

Solution? Simply submit the removals of the incorrect episode appearances for those anime roles.

However it's not as easy as that. Removing incorrect information is incredibly difficult and no matter what sources I give they are often declined.

I have no idea if an actual living person is moderating the submissions or if it's A.I. that hasn't been trained well enough...

Regardless I'm not sure how to proceed going forward after being denied once again.

I've linked official/licensed/legal video streams of the episodes (that contain the official English ending credits) as proof that the cast members DID NOT appear in these episodes.

Like most things, any licensed material isn't free so a subscription is required

e.g. funimation.com

Would my odds of approval be improved if I linked illegal streams instead?

In my opinion it would be counterproductive to do that. Would be unfortunate if the only way correct information can be processed is simply because of convenience and accessibility; and that's if you ignore safety concerns as most free illegal streaming sites require visitors to turn off their adblocks to expose the user to spam and malware.

Would it help if I took a screenshot/snapshot of the actual ending credits and uploaded the jpeg or png file to a site like imgur and then pasted the link?

Or would the human moderator/A.I. not even bother to check?

I get the horrible feeling that whoever is reviewing these submissions quickly checks other databases for a resolution. If not provided then there's the expected "Your contribution has been declined.We have been unable to verify your contribution. Unfortunately we were unable to accept your submission as we were unable to verify the information provided."

After all most other databases simply list the character role associated with the cast member; they usually don't go into further detail on specific episode appearances.

If the staff don't have subscriptions to the various official/legal anime streaming services like funimation, hidive, crunchyroll, etc then I suggest it should be a requirement, otherwise how do you expect to actually be useful in approving or denying anime submissions?

If you expect fans like myself to provide thorough verification/proof (and still be denied anyway because you can't verify it on your own end) I'm at a loss on how to make the evidence to support my corrections even more dummy-proof.

It would honestly be tedious to have to post here every single time a correction is declined so I'm hoping for a helpful solution from an official imdb rep to reduce wasting time/effort going forward. Simply resubmitting the form again after 2 weeks would be a never ending cycle. Or would the editor finally get the hint that maybe I know something they don't concerning the situation?

In a perfect world I could simply submit and approve anime submissions myself but I doubt imdb is hiring someone for this particular field (anime). I'm aware imdb sometimes hires people for the position of Data Editor but they don't seem to be posted very often and if hypothetically hired I would need a work visa anyway to work in another country so I don't see this likely happening.

I've done similar work for other databases specializing in anime for 10 years mostly as a volunteer. It's always bothered me that the top website in the world for entertainment in comparison stands out in a negative light for this medium.

If possible I would be interested in working freelance for imdb and wouldn't ask for unreasonable compensation.

When I say the anime situation in general is bad, I'm not exaggerating. If an editor was willing to help me personally they should be prepared to review thousands of corrections. Just corrections, adding new accurate credits would be its own infinite separate pile (as new anime constantly premiere throughout a calendar year)

All that work sounds daunting (and it is) but I wouldn't mind helping to chip away at that workload. Feels like if I don't that incorrect info will linger indefinitely...

Don't suppose imdb's contribution system tags "notable" user accounts as trustworthy so their submissions (whether additions or corrections/removals) are approved without issue instantly.

I'm more than happy to take a test to help make things easier.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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There are 10s of thousands of anime credits that are in the database that have been submitted using a rather vague guideline. A lot have people have used this vagueness to submit English Credits to Japanese Anime. It is in my opinion an embarrassment to IMDb's mission statement of accuracy.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Sad to say this also, but you will be looking at a high rejection rate if you attempt to tackle this. You will have to provide screengrabs through an image sharing platform on every submission. For some voice over actors it could take you 3-4 months for corrections, rejections, and posting here for a second look at your rejections.
Advice: Quit while your ahead.
I have a topic that I brought up about a German voice over artist being credited in Japanese anime.
Staff is looking into it. I would not do the submissions as there were well over two hundred submissions needed. That would have taken a month or more.
So I posted the gross awarding of credits mistake on staff.
We as contributors should not have to be making mass corrections on pages. This is on the staff for allowing the unallowed credits in the first plcae. They are supposed to correct, reject, and/or approve our submissions. It is not for us to correct, reject, and/or unapprove their sloppy work.
Sorry to current staff. This is probably not your fault.
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Jackson_H I totally understand you! I have been auditing original Japanese credits of anime for years! and I still cannot complete the work on a full series, it is very hard work!
But please don't give up! We need trusthworthy English contributors.
I recommend to take a screenshot of the English end credits of the episodes you need to correct, upload the image to a site like https://postimages.org  (no registration needed) and add the url of the screenshot to the explanation box on why you are deleting that credit.
Imagine I have been deleting dozens on mandarin dubb credits that are both fake (character doesn't appear on the episodes) and not allowed by IMDb Guidelines on well known anime like Naruto.
It is A LOT OF WORK, if you are willing to do it in your spare time, it will be much appreciated by fellow anime contributors like me!
Please excuse my English, it's not my native language.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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We as contributors should not have to be making mass corrections on pages. This is on the staff for allowing the unallowed credits in the first plcae. They are supposed to correct, reject, and/or approve our submissions. It is not for us to correct, reject, and/or unapprove their sloppy work.
Sorry to current staff. This is probably not your fault.
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Bulma PunkRocker

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I agree with you Ed, but we know that this kind of things happens more often that it should. Sometimes I think that we know the Guidelines better than some actual workers of IMDb...
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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It's not so much that they don't know the guidelines. Its that they cannot apply those rules in a two or three second window.
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Well, I don't know if every submission is human-approved. I guess some are automatically approved and that's why we got such a mess in some anime titles.
Whatever it is the case, help is much appreciated.

Cheers.
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Hi Jackson_H,

Firstly thank you for submitting updates to correct incorrect data on anime series, it is much appreciated by staff and IMDb users. If possible we would always appreciate screenshots of credits, though we understand that this is not always possible. If you are modifying/removing incorrect credits it really helps staff if you can provide a comment explaining why the information is incorrect and provide the context that you are verifying the information from end credits including any links to official streaming services. If you have any submission references where you have done so and it has been rejected please let me know and I can investigate further.

I hope this helps.

Thanks,
Will
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Jackson_H

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Not related to the credit removal issue but I'm confused why a submission I've sent is repeatedly ignored. All I'm trying to do is correct (fill in) supplementary award info.

Reference #: 191106-133409-419000

I've provided sources and explained what is being changed. Why ignore something so simple?
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