NAME INCORRECTLY LISTED UNDER DIFFERENT CATEGORIES

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This question might not be that important but it keeps bothering me.
It refers to name page "Los Tres Caballeros" https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2459564/

The name has credits under the following different categories:

Actor: Movie
Music Department: Movie
Soundtrack: Movie
Self:  Movie

The name belongs to a famous music trio who shows up in several films singing as themselves. 

They can not be considered under Actor: Movie since they are not playing a part in the film.

Neither should they be listed
under Music Department, nor under Soundtrack
since the trio is not only heard but also seen performing.

I believe all credits should be merged into Self: Movie (?)

If you agree,
I need to know how that ́s done. If you don ́t think is that important
I will leave things the way they are. Thanks for your input.





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Mark,

How a musical group is listed on the IMDb depends on how the trio is listed in each title's opening and/or closing credits. I would leave the credits as-is unless you have video images of each title's credits for proof.
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Thanks a lot for your input. I will leave it alone as is.
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Mark, following statement and suggestion of yours actually contradicts IMDb guidelines: 
"They can not be considered under Actor: Movie since they are not playing a part in the film."

Specifically this part of guidelines where we can read that "Where someone is billed in the credits as Himself/Herself in a fictional piece and are playing a scripted, fictional version of themselves, we use the performer's name as the character name to avoid moving the credit to the 'Self'" category even if the credits say Himself/Herself". That rule essentially applies to all "Themselves" appearances, including uncredited one. 

So, if the band appears as themselves, performing the song, but context is fictional (i.e.: characters are attending the concert, it takes place in a fictional location or within fictional events), they are absolutely listed as in Cast/Actor credits. 

There is also nothing contradicting in song listed in Soundtrack category since it should be listed if it is heard in the movie, even if uncredited. In cases like that number field is listed as "0" or left empty and after the song's title there should be "(uncredited)". As for Music department it's usually optional, but since we can see band actually performing on-set that usually means that yes, they could be listed as musicians. More so if it is confirmed that song was specifically written or arranged for inclusion in the movie. 

In specific case of Los Tres Caballeros I'd say that Self credits should be actually merged with Actor credits according to IMDb guidelines, since credit which is currently under "Self" is from a movie with a clearly fictionalized context, not actual taped performance, documentary, reality TV or archive footage (althoguh in latter case credit would've been filed under "Archive Footage" regardless of context).  

I hope this clears up the situation. 
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Dear Nikolay,

I ́m grateful to you for explaining in detail IMDb guidelines. Everything you wrote is right on target. Things are much clearer now thanks to you.
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Mark, you're welcome! Glad to be of help. 
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