Mykhailo Hrushevsky (Unicode characters in places of birth)

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I was adding some basic facts about Mykhailo Hrushevsky after I've created the page editing one of my titles: usual basic stuff: trivia, portrayals, birth and death dates, links, etc. 

For now date and place of death are a bit stuck in pending (which is okay and not out of the ordinary), but I had a bit of an uncertain situation with the place of birth, as well. That situation being that submission form was unable to process city name of Chełm correctly due to "ł" letter. I've replaced it with the usual "l" as a placeholder intent on asking IMDb Staff here to help with that, however I would love to know wether there's any method to avoid that issue? I am certain there is something, because I often have problems like that with Cyrillic alternate titles and yet people add such titles on regular basis. 
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Hi Nikolay,

Thanks for your message. That's because we can only support certain unicode characters in alternate titles, due to the way we internally store and display our information in different list types. Unfortunately we cannot support those characters in other free-text lists.

I hope this helps to explain the situation.  
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Thanks for clarifying, Will! 
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Nikolay,

The non-English letters and characters you can use in open-field forms are here: ISO Accented Characters. You'll usually need to enter them manually as HTML.

Only Russian Cyrillic is supported for AKAs. You can't enter Ukrainian Cyrillic directly; you have to substitute Russian Cyrillic. And, except for the Ukrainian 'і', which you must replace with the English 'i', you can't enter letters in Ukrainian Cyrillic that differ from Russian Cyrillic.

And, by the way, do not use the English Wikipedia for geographical names of any location in the former USSR or modern CIS, including Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. It is not a reliable resource. It's being run by several Russian-Americans immigrants who can't - or won't - speak English. Native English-speakers can immediately see that it's all in a laughable "Rusglish". It's neither Russian nor English, but a ridiculous, squishy mishmash of the two.

Use the Russian Wikipedia, and then transliterate the names using the IMDb rules. Since Russian was the official language of the USSR, you should also use it for locations in the Ukrainian SSR and BSSR. You can use the Ukrainian Wikipedia for current names in Ukraine. And don't forget to note the historical changes.

The place of death should be:
Kislovodsk, Severo-Kavkazskiy kray, RSFSR, USSR [now Stavropolskiy kray, Russia]

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motley_moth, I'm trying to get to the root of the problem, not argue. 

If you are a native English speaker then why are you trying to lecture me, native Ukrainian and Russian bilingual instead of correcting my English grammar flubs ("written accent" as I sometimes call it)?  

Anyhow, indeed I have no solution for "ґ" or "є". However, "ї" can almost certainly be inserted using the French character. Because, you see, it is one of the few symbols which are actually allowed when I'm trying to do something about Cyrillic titles.  

As you can see on the screenshot my problem has nothing to do with what you were trying to recommend, even if in the process I've discovered that there are plenty of other problems. 

P.S. "Киньте бурчати!" sounds very odd for modern Ukrainian, like something out of Grigoryi Kvitka-Osnovyanenko writing. By the way why on Earth is he listed as Kvitok-Osnovyanenko on IMDb?..  
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I suspect that you have found a bug in the error reporting. "ї" is not available in KOI8-R so cannot be included with the given attribute. Unfortunately the error message seems to ignore the attribute and reports all the characters that cannot be represented in Latin-1.
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Nikolay,

I guess it's just a Grigoryi Kvitka-Osnovyanenko kind of day. Maybe you'd prefer "Прекрати!"

Now, what is the French character you are talking about? Is it the umlauted 'i' (ï ï) listed on the page of ISO Accented Characters? That won't work. Try it.

Look at the errors. If there is even one letter that is not Russian Cyrillic or English, the server will identify the entire title as Unicode that it does not support, and reject it. This was rejected because of the Ukrainian Cyrillic 'ї' and 'і', The latter could be replaced with an English 'i'. But this particular title, because of the 'ї', cannot be displayed accurately in Cyrillic in the IMDb.

Keep experimenting, though. You need to learn this.

PS.  And "Kislovodsk, North Caucasus Krai, RSFSR, USSR [now Kislovodsk, Russia]" sounds like "Rusglish". It's something someone who doesn't speak English at all would confuse for actual English. Hey, wait a minute. Isn't the IMDb an English website? I wonder if that's important.
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Hi Nikolay -

Concerning your screen grab and the potential bug Owen identified, I have alerted our technical team to investigate further, as soon as I have any updates I will let you know here.
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Grea thanks, Michelle!