Hello, everyone!
So, in 2017 there was a really bad russian film "Crimea". Truth to tell, that movie was complete mess. Total disaster. And by the end of 2017, it's rating was something like 1-2. Which is, truth to tell, pretty correct.
In Russia, there is a resource like IMDB that is called "Kinopoisk". And rating of the "Crimea" movie was, well, pretty much the same.
But the film was made by order of the Russian government. And bad rating was not good for the county's reputation.
So, bots attacked "Kinopoisk" and raised the rating to something like, well, 7. Administration on that resource have found that out and fixed rating. Now, it has 1.3. Justice was restored!
It looks like new target of russian bots is IMDB.
I'm completely sure, that IMDB rating was very low in 2017. It is very easy to find a screenshot of it. There was news on that topic.
Yet, right now it is 7.3 with 3000 votes for 7, 3000 votes for 8 and 21600 votes for 9. It looks completely unrealistic.
Is it possible to check, I don't know, IP addresses of that votes? I'm sure most of them share IP address with each other.
So, in 2017 there was a really bad russian film "Crimea". Truth to tell, that movie was complete mess. Total disaster. And by the end of 2017, it's rating was something like 1-2. Which is, truth to tell, pretty correct.
In Russia, there is a resource like IMDB that is called "Kinopoisk". And rating of the "Crimea" movie was, well, pretty much the same.
But the film was made by order of the Russian government. And bad rating was not good for the county's reputation.
So, bots attacked "Kinopoisk" and raised the rating to something like, well, 7. Administration on that resource have found that out and fixed rating. Now, it has 1.3. Justice was restored!
It looks like new target of russian bots is IMDB.
I'm completely sure, that IMDB rating was very low in 2017. It is very easy to find a screenshot of it. There was news on that topic.
Yet, right now it is 7.3 with 3000 votes for 7, 3000 votes for 8 and 21600 votes for 9. It looks completely unrealistic.
Is it possible to check, I don't know, IP addresses of that votes? I'm sure most of them share IP address with each other.
Posted 2 years ago
Movie "Crimea (2017)" rating unrealistic.
by Just a Curious Person
Joined on November 1, 2018
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/just_a_curious_person
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Crimea (2017)
Krym (original title)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/reference
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/reviews - 12 Reviews
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/ratings
November 2, 2018
32,274 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 7.3 / 10
Rating ............. Votes
10 ..... 0.5% ........ 161
09 .... 67.1% ... 21,671
08 ... 10.0% .... 3,217
07 .... 9.4% ..... 3,031
01 ... 11.0% .... 3,552
Arithmetic mean = 7.8 Median = 9
Same person with many accounts Flooding the Polls and Ratings
ACT_1
Posted 8 months ago
Crimea (2017)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/ratings
8,032 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 3.4 / 10
Rating .... Votes
1 ... 40.6% ... 3,265
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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/-new-reviews-for-love-on-a-leash
[ New Reviews for Love on a Leash ]
March 5 2018
Crimea (2017)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/ratings
8,020 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 3.4 / 10
Rating ...... Votes
1 - 40.6% - 3,259
Crimea (2017)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/ratings
22,534 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 5.8 / 10
Rating ........... Votes
10 ... 0.7% ....... 154
09 .. 12.8% ... 2,887
08 .. 29.9% ... 6,733
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KinoPoisk
KinoPoisk, KinoPoisk.Ru
(Russian: КиноПоиск, КиноПоиск.Ru, Кино is movie and Поиск is search)
is a Russian website about cinematography.
The site provides information about
movies, TV shows, actors, directors, producers, screenwriters, composers, editors etc
It was often compared to IMDb.
Website
http://www.kinopoisk.ru/
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I "like". Um... occasionally a line or two of comment to explain what it all is and means would be very helpful!
Michelle, Official Rep
Hi Just a Curious Person -
Rest assured that our voting system has several safeguards in place and that this type of behavior is periodically detected and automatically defeated.For further details please review the linked FAQ page Jeorj referenced above.
Rest assured that our voting system has several safeguards in place and that this type of behavior is periodically detected and automatically defeated.For further details please review the linked FAQ page Jeorj referenced above.
3 months on, and I have seen your several safeguards have automatically detected and defeated the bots rating the film. Not.
The film is currently at number 9 in Russian-language films ranked by their number of ratings, leaving behind it classics by Tarkovsky and modern masterpieces by Zvyagintsev to mention a few. That is simply shameful, especially for IMDb as a reliable platform and overall for Russian cinema, potentially fooling someone not in the know to think that this film deserves to be there on its own merit.
If there is any need to recap the happenings, a simple check on Wayback Machine will do. In 2018 the film page was archived four times. Of these, the 1st one on February 2 shows the situation still being "normal", with 3500 votes and a rating of 1.1. By February 28 the rating has risen to 2.1 with 1500 more votes, and already in less than a week by March 6 3000 more votes have raised the rating to 3.4. Sadly the fourth and last snapshot by the end of March doesn't seem to work, but a pattern is already visible here.
Combined with the excellent data gathered by ACT_1 on new accounts' strange voting behaviours in the other thread he linked in the post above, we can fairly easily see that this is a concerted effort. These new accounts in particular, often with Russian names, rate a bunch of films (and vote on a bunch of polls), then give high ratings to the film in question around the dates of May 22 and 28 (amusingly, a considerable amount of them have also given ratings of 1 and 2 to Death of Stalin around March 12 and 16.
Due to a lack of data, we can't exactly say when the operation has stopped (it clearly has, since the number of high ratings has hardly changed from the starting post), but with the snapshots provided by Wayback Machine we can see that it has started somewhere around mid-February 2018, and continued at least to the end of May.
There's not much else to say, as this seems to be a pretty clear case.
The film is currently at number 9 in Russian-language films ranked by their number of ratings, leaving behind it classics by Tarkovsky and modern masterpieces by Zvyagintsev to mention a few. That is simply shameful, especially for IMDb as a reliable platform and overall for Russian cinema, potentially fooling someone not in the know to think that this film deserves to be there on its own merit.
If there is any need to recap the happenings, a simple check on Wayback Machine will do. In 2018 the film page was archived four times. Of these, the 1st one on February 2 shows the situation still being "normal", with 3500 votes and a rating of 1.1. By February 28 the rating has risen to 2.1 with 1500 more votes, and already in less than a week by March 6 3000 more votes have raised the rating to 3.4. Sadly the fourth and last snapshot by the end of March doesn't seem to work, but a pattern is already visible here.
Combined with the excellent data gathered by ACT_1 on new accounts' strange voting behaviours in the other thread he linked in the post above, we can fairly easily see that this is a concerted effort. These new accounts in particular, often with Russian names, rate a bunch of films (and vote on a bunch of polls), then give high ratings to the film in question around the dates of May 22 and 28 (amusingly, a considerable amount of them have also given ratings of 1 and 2 to Death of Stalin around March 12 and 16.
Due to a lack of data, we can't exactly say when the operation has stopped (it clearly has, since the number of high ratings has hardly changed from the starting post), but with the snapshots provided by Wayback Machine we can see that it has started somewhere around mid-February 2018, and continued at least to the end of May.
There's not much else to say, as this seems to be a pretty clear case.
This topic is tagged as "Solved" and is unlikely to be visited again by IMDb staff.
Will, Official Rep
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The film's rating is implausible and is cheating!.
There is a movie "Crimea" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/?ref_=nv_sr_1
And I think, his rating has been falsified and overvalued
Proofs are two :
1. On the snapscreen below you can see dispersion of marks : among them the share of the mark 9 is more than 50% !! Looks like attack of bots : they never rate 10. Very suspicious.
2. On the site kinopoisk.ru (russian IMDB's analogue) this film has rating 3/10. It's imposible - to have so big difference between ratings of these two sites.
There is a movie "Crimea" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6990206/?ref_=nv_sr_1
And I think, his rating has been falsified and overvalued
Proofs are two :
1. On the snapscreen below you can see dispersion of marks : among them the share of the mark 9 is more than 50% !! Looks like attack of bots : they never rate 10. Very suspicious.
2. On the site kinopoisk.ru (russian IMDB's analogue) this film has rating 3/10. It's imposible - to have so big difference between ratings of these two sites.
Since you have been merged into this post, please read all the replies. It will answer your questions.
Just a note here. While this movie may be reviled in Russia, it's interest elsewhere may actually be higher because of the controversy surrounding it.
Just a note here. While this movie may be reviled in Russia, it's interest elsewhere may actually be higher because of the controversy surrounding it.
But not like this: 66.9% Only ONE mark and almost all of them at one time?
Amusing film
pesic-131 January 2019
Another reminder why I prefer Russian to Western propaganda. There is always a level of honesty in Russian films that in Western ones tends to be replaced with shameless and bizarre attacks, based on outrageous lies and distortions. To appreciate this film, one has to be acquainted with the diversity of subgenres in Russian war film industry. This film follows a particular formula to the letter: a love story, a superhero-soldier, a secret operation, bad guys who play dirty, Russia triumphs, and the hero returns to marry the girl (though in this case they are separated due to war). This could have been a WWII film, or one taking place in the Caucasus, or anywhere else. Indeed, we saw the actor playing the main character in a similar film, where he subverts infiltration of Chechnya by terrorists, and gets the girl in the end. Films like these are to be taken for what they are: deliberate exaggeration, a lot of entertainment, and a genuine expression of Russian attitudes regarding the conflict in question. If they are propaganda, they don't simply seek to make the enemy look bad. They dare to express in very simple terms how Russians feel about the conflict, they are made primarily for Russians, and not as a tool to try and sway public opinion abroad. This is why I prefer them to Western propaganda films, which are often far more dirty and calculated, aiming solely at swaying public opinion, yet expressing no genuine conviction or emotion.
Another reminder why I prefer Russian to Western propaganda. There is always a level of honesty in Russian films that in Western ones tends to be replaced with shameless and bizarre attacks, based on outrageous lies and distortions. To appreciate this film, one has to be acquainted with the diversity of subgenres in Russian war film industry. This film follows a particular formula to the letter: a love story, a superhero-soldier, a secret operation, bad guys who play dirty, Russia triumphs, and the hero returns to marry the girl (though in this case they are separated due to war). This could have been a WWII film, or one taking place in the Caucasus, or anywhere else. Indeed, we saw the actor playing the main character in a similar film, where he subverts infiltration of Chechnya by terrorists, and gets the girl in the end. Films like these are to be taken for what they are: deliberate exaggeration, a lot of entertainment, and a genuine expression of Russian attitudes regarding the conflict in question. If they are propaganda, they don't simply seek to make the enemy look bad. They dare to express in very simple terms how Russians feel about the conflict, they are made primarily for Russians, and not as a tool to try and sway public opinion abroad. This is why I prefer them to Western propaganda films, which are often far more dirty and calculated, aiming solely at swaying public opinion, yet expressing no genuine conviction or emotion.
The above quote out of the review having 11.43% of helpfulness (4/35):
does explain somehow the "unrealistic rating" and a possible "bot attack" claimed by this topic?
Can be argued easily in the opposite.
There are only 10 reviews!!!
There are only 10 reviews!!!
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Nobody claims here any reviews. What are you provoking for please?
Supposed Bot attacks generally come with the one and two liner reviews that accompany them. They are absent curiously.
We all expect that the "appropriate team to investigate further" will take Ed's expertise on technical roots of bot attacks. Cheers.
Be nice!
