Missing random episodes of TV work

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I'm missing four episodes from episodic series work, and I've submitted multiple update requests. How can I get these added? It helps for managing days/hours for future union qualifications.
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Are the episodes already listed? If so, have they aired?
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Yes and yes, thank you!

It's Grimm Season 1, the episodes are: Island Of Dreams, The Thing With Feathers, Love Sick, Cat And Mouse. I've submitted them (uncredited) 4-6 times over the last year or two.
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For more clarification - I have 50+ episodes of the show on there now, but for whatever reason I *cannot* get these 4 listed.
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What evidence did you supply?

You should familiarise yourself with the uncredited guidelines:

www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?uncredite...
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I'm familiar with the guidelines, and I meet the criteria.

"Upon request..."

Nothing was ever requested, and I have over 50 credits on the same show that they allowed. I have credited listings for the same position on a different show. There are people listed in the third season who haven't been on the show since the pilot. Many of the people listed are also uncredited, but don't have the tag. Many that do haven't had to submit anything in the past (I've asked). I'm unsure why I drew the short straw, here.

Also: "I worked on a film but did not receive a screen credit. Can I be listed in the database?"

It wasn't a film.
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As an aside, the guidelines should really be adjusted for television. The vast majority of the crew is uncredited.
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What evidence have you supplied?
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None, since I haven't been asked and it says it will be requested, if necessary. I'm happy to provide whatever they need aside from the 50some credits I already have on IMDB for this exact show.
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I wouldn't rely on them contacting you - some credits seem to get stuck and the only way to shake them out is to post them the evidence.

What will prove you had the uncredited role is evidence that you were part of the production (things like pay stubs, call sheets, etc.) and that you were clearly visible as a distinct character (so a screenshot from the broadcast episode will do it). You can send it to them using this form:

http://www.imdb.com/helpdesk/data_ver...
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Thanks. I'm not cast (been on the crew since the pilot), but I'll see what they can do.
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Here's what I got back from support:

"I can see I have to re-do, again, the visual effects wannabes who have to have their precious credits.
And, btw, if there is a company credit for Hive, all those visual effect credits are actually in-eligible to be listed, the company is credited, they don't get individual credits.
Me, I don't care much for that rule.

Trouble is, I do the on screen credits. If you're on the screen I'll add it.
If it's not there, I don't know who does what on a tv show.
So you are going to have trouble finding easy proof (screen credits) to back you up."

Instead of helping, they made fun of "visual effects wannabes," who I have nothing to do with.

Awesome.
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That is quite... something. I've never seen such a... detailed reply from the helpdesk (and such a quick one, especially, as I'm backlogged there) or one that suggests they started drinking at lunchtime and never stopped. Oh my.

Picking it apart, the problem is:

There is a company credit for the visual effects, if you worked for that company then I don't believe you are eligible for a separate visual effects "uncredited" credit.

The fact that you can provide pay stubs or other evidence that you worked on the show doesn't address the key point - the company gets the credit, not you.

Someone else might be able to chip in on this with more detail.
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I don't work for the VFX company, though. I have no idea where he/she was going with that. Kind of mindblowing.
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Hmmmm, it certainly seems that this is what is causing the problem. I'm not really sure of the right fix.
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Yeah! Who knows. I'm a full time crew member, have been since 2011. I have an office in the building. Not a contractor or anything like that.

I really just want to know why the other 51 credits I have for this job on this show are okay, but the four episodes back from season 1 need proof. Trying to get a second source for union verification, and it's not going too well, clearly.

I appreciate your help, though!
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I really just want to know why the other 51 credits I have for this job on this show are okay, but the four episodes back from season 1 need proof.


Unfortunately, you can never rely on precedent to get credits in - there should have been proof requested for those and it might be getting the attention of staff could result in those disappearing...
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Aside from the tone of the reply from someone who is apparently an IMDb data manager, it is a little troubling that he seems to be saying that he won't accept uncredited work at all. That's not the spirit of the published guidelines.

There's still hope that staff will reply here.
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I notice you also posted about this here and got some relevant replies:

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/t...

Just a thought, but could the reply you said was from support be a message from the user Marhleet_DR, who also replied to that thread? It seems like his style.
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Good detective work there!!
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"Just a thought, but could the reply you said was from support be a message from the user Marhleet_DR, who also replied to that thread? It seems like his style."

Bingo.

The replies on the other thread were somewhat helpful, but the guidelines for proving "uncredited" work that I was linked to said it was for film, and seemed mostly for cast. Last time they did this I actually had a screen credit and provided a screenshot of the episode.

This time I'm not really sure what to provide, and anything I can think of is full of other people's information that I'm not exactly keen on sharing.

Thank you for the reply!
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I have no association with SFX. I have no idea where this is coming from.
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Which is why David suggested submitting a pay slip as evidence.

If the submission isn't going through because staff think you worked for the company that was credited, then just about the only way to prove this wasn't the case is to provide a pay slip showing you were directly employed by the production company.
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They don't think I worked for the SFX company.
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Well submitting pay stubs would still be decent evidence that you worked on the episodes.
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I'll look for them, I guess. This is so ridiculously stupid, though I appreciate your input.
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This time I'm not really sure what to provide, and anything I can think of is full of other people's information that I'm not exactly keen on sharing.


If there are privacy concerns you can use this link:

http://www.imdb.com/helpdesk/data_ver...

I'd also use something like Dropbox to host the scan images, as the file is essentially stored on your computer and then in the cloud - if you pick the setting that only people with the direct link can access it, then only you and the member of staff dealing with the submission will ever see it and deleting it will erase all online traces (so it is more secure than using email, for example).