Misleading website names in external reviews

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I enjoy linking my website to the external reviews page, but as my site begins with D I understand it falls down the list a bit. That's how the alphabet works. However, some people are abusing this page by starting their sites with, eg. "A (website name) blog piece", so their reviews default to the top of the page.

I've seen several examples of this, one which stands out big-time is with The Martian, where it has been used (or abused) several times atop this page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3659388/externalreviews

Can this be addressed, please, as it's unfair. Or if it won't be, shall I
just do the same? (as they say "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em")

PS. I know there's a way to attempt to highlight these on the individual pages and ask for their removal, but that requires going on 'correct' for each individual link and following all the steps and it'd be way too time consuming to cover them all.
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Anyone?
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Dom: I have given you a "Me Too" vote to indicate that I agree with your comments here.
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Cheers, Gromit. Hopefully this situation can be resolved quickly and easily.

Is anyone from IMDB reading this thread?
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Is anyone from IMDB reading this thread?
Perhaps not at the moment. They tend to be most active Monday-Friday, 8-5, US Pac Time, so it might be quiet here until tomorrow.

Good news is, when this has been reported in the past, they've taken action to make sure the reviewer reported uses their true site name instead of one altered to get on top of the heap.
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Hi Dom -

Thanks for your report, for External Reviews, we do allow the listing of the website name, however, I have forwarded your comments to our data editors to review to make sure that the listings you pointed out are listed as per our policy.  As soon as I hear back from them about the listings you reported, I will let you know here.

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Hi Michelle, thanks. It's not just on this film's page, however, it's on so many of them. Too many to report individually. There must be a way to search for the entries across all external review pages listed as beginning "A " and then it'll be almost all of the ones there.

These people are giving an "A ", but taking the "P" ;)

I'll look forward to hearing back from you.
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Hi, is there any news on this one, please, as it's also affecting Spectre, which I've mentioned in another thread. Thanks.
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Hi Dom -

The ticket I filed is still pending review by our Data Editors, so unfortunately, I don't have an update on our policy yet.  As soon as I get confirmation, rest assured that I will post the information here.
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Thanks. What happened to the links the last time this happened? Since it'd be too time-consuming to alter them manually, did they just get deleted?
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Just following up here to confirm that our staff are aware of this issue, however, no action will be taken at the moment, once we have additional resources we will revisit the issue.
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It doesn't instill me with confidence that IMDB are sticking their heads in the sand on this issue. They could quickly deal with it by messaging those accounts who are doing this, warning them of deletion if they don't. Otherwise, we may all as well do it!!!

As The Martian link shows, there are many doing this, including one who uses numbers so that his rises above all the others! Come on, we need action on this!!!
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So shall we all just do as they're doing? That would level out the playing field?
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Can someone get back to me, please? Shall we all just do this?
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Dom: I agree with your overall point that reviewers should not be allowed to manipulate their site names this way to get a higher alphabetical listing, but I don't think there's anything we can do about it. Michelle has advised us that "no action will be taken at the moment", so we are stuck with the situation as it is.
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But they can do something about it, as per bluesmanSF's post earlier in the thread, since they have before. What they could do is contact these people (there's around 10 persistent offenders, it seems) and ask them to change all their entries (unwieldly) or they'll get deleted. Then just close their accounts if they don't comply and surely this should delete them? If this isn't possible, then that shows it's open season for us all to do this.
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Dom,

I notice you keep asking if you should do the same.  I kind of think you know that you shouldn't, but, no...you shouldn't. 

First off, if someone is doing something inappropriate and you follow just because you see them get away with it, you're just as bad as they are.

Secondly, when the fix comes along, you could be sanctioned equally.  What's the point in that?
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I wasn't being serious in my suggestion.
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Hi Dom -

Back in October when I reported this to our data editors they confirmed that we didn't have the resources at that time to address this issue.  I have reached out again to get an ETA as to if this will be addressed in the near future.  I will post the relevant status here as soon as I get a response form our editors.
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Just following-up here to confirm that our editors are currently working on a clean-up for these External Review listings on the site.
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Hi Michelle, thanks for your reply. Is there a timeframe for how long it takes to go through these, please? I thought I'd just be a case of a search for titles that begin "A " (with the space after the A) and those will be ones that are misleading.
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I've posted a full reply at the bottom of this page. This problem is NOT solved.
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Another 3 months on and nothing has changed. Can we have a timeframe, please?
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Hi Dom, I checked the status and confirmed that there has been a fix for this that should be in effect by early
next week. 

Cheers!
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Thanks. It's getting more rife than ever, as Captain America: Civil War shows.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498820/externalreviews
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This is still happening. Just had a look on the Dirty Grandpa page, for example.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1860213/externalreviews
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And again. On this page for the film, The Asian Connection, someone from Movieshub has called their review "01 A "Best" Art [By Josh]", which bends the rules to the nth degree! What is the hold-up in sorting this out, please?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3187378/externalreviews
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by the rules, that entry is wrong, should be listed as "01 Movies Hub [Josh]"

citation: "Be aware that the URL is hidden from the user, so the description must start with the name of the web site"
and "Important: Only correctly formatted links will be accepted"

the rules are quite strict, you can't bend them

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But IMDB seem to be doing nothing about it  :(
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Yes, I think that some people are trying to abuse the alphabetical listing system. It's like how some businesses have tried to make themselves appear first in the telephone book by starting their company name with "AAAAAA".
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That means that in the phone book, Aardvark sellers get preferential treatment ;)
(sorry :D )
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How is this 'Solved'? There are still plenty of pages, like The Martian, which are full of the problem, and while I haven't seen any new 'A ...' posts lately, some jokers are still doing the same thing but replacing it with 'At ....' so the problem is still there. Can't you just nuke the links made by those who are taking the pee, please?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5430544/externalreviews
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Misleading website names in external reviews - still not solved.

I tried posting on the previous thread about this, but you've closed it and it is NOT solved.

There are still plenty of pages, like The Martian, which are full of the
'A...' problem, and while I haven't seen any new 'A ...' posts lately, some
jokers are still doing the same thing but replacing it with 'At ....' so
the problem is still there. Can't you just nuke the links made by those
who are not following the rules, please?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5430544/externalreviews

In addition, there's a site called A Big Spark which are just creating links yet, there's no review there. It just says "coming soon" on the webpage.

http://gb.imdb.com/title/tt4196776/externalreviews
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Hi Dom -

Thanks for your note, I am checking on the status of the clean-up with our data editors, as soon as I hear back I will let you know here.

In the meantime, I noted that the External Review you reported for "A Big Spark" on the "Jason Bourne" title page has since been removed.  Anytime you see these types of External Reviews posted, it's best to report them for removal through our online form.
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Hi Michelle, thanks for changing this back to 'in progress' and merging the threads. I only started the new one as I presumed this one couldn't be opened.

The only problem with reporting for removal is that each one has to be done individually. Given that some wrongdoers have moved on from 'A ...' to 'At ....' , it shows that they know their time is running out, but I was hoping for a way to obliterate them all in one go.

Thanks again for looking into this. Dom
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Hi Dom -

I'm just following up here to confirm that we have made changes in our system to detect any future misleading External Reviews from being accepted and going live on the site. 

Unfortunately, for those External Reviews that were added prior to these system changes, we don't currently have the staff bandwidth for a bulk clean-up, however, anytime you encounter these misleading website names on a title page, please report them for deletion and our staff will review them and take the applicable action.

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Hi Michelle, it's still happening. Look at the new page for The Magnificent Seven 2016 movie.  The Movie Waffler is calling himself "A Movie Waffler" while others are starting "At" and "Aat".

http://gb.imdb.com/title/tt2404435/externalreviews
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BTW, on a somewhat related note:

Some such external sites  (such as one that you noted)
may contain red-flag text such as this:

   "Watch Latest online movies and free movie download for free ...
    ... Streaming links online  to watch this movies [sic] online for free ....
    ... Watch ... full HD movie ... without paying ...."

I haven't thoroughly investigated such sites to see whether
their streaming links are authorized or unauthorized ...
but given such text as above, what are the odds?

I assume IMDb hasn't allocated resources to investigate every such site. ...
I further assume that most users won't investigate and report them either.

So, without adequate policing, can we assume the possibility that some
questionable sites may be sneaking their way into external review links;
in some cases aiming to promote questionable streaming sources?

Is that a problem?  Methinks it could potentially be a problem ...
but not one that is likely to be solved any time soon.
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I've come across a similar thing on here. When I started a thread asking how to get included on the news links, to be told that I should check the news page for announcements (which I later realised never come), I asked again and was told they're not adding any more sites. However, some of these existing sites no longer exist, so surely I could apply to take their place!
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This is STILL happening. Your fix HAS NOT WORKED. I've taken the action to delete them, but two persistent offenders - are The Movie Waffler and Darren's World of Entertainment, both of whom are sticking 'A' in front of their names, and the latter even put his on TWICE, the other time changing it to 'At'. PLEASE do something about this!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5168192/externalreviews
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Dom: Was this fixed since you posted a few minutes ago? The reviews that start with "A" on the list at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5168192/externalreviews seem to really do start with "A", and neither The Movie Waffler (alphabetized under "T") or Darren's World of Entertainment (which I can't find) is listed under "A" on that page.
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It hasn't been fixed. I requested deletion of those, as per Michelle's post about about doing that. However, while she was referring to old posts, this has happened with brand new ones.
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This really isn't working, Michelle. Loads of fakes beginning 'A....' are still being posted. I've deleted a few and I'm sure you can check the logs for that, but as well as some of the usual offenders, there's sites like Vidzarena and MovieRoster who are posting links but naming the site total nonsense like A.A.alan and Aalvin (which is a site posting pages that don't even exist), and when it comes to MovieRoster, these aren't even reviews, they're just plot summaries. I've deleted those, but again, you can check the logs.

 

Please can you sort this. Since you've marked this 'solved', I'm feeling I'll have to submit a brand new thread about this?

 Best thing would be to force moderation on anything beginning 'A' or a number.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3183660/externalreviews

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Hi Dom,

As Michelle said previously, we have put a fix in place that you will have noticed catches the majority of these cases. You'll see that examples you provided previously are no longer contributing to this issue.

I have however opened a new ticket with our data editors to review the rules we currently have in place and see if we can make amends to catch further issues. In the meantime I recommend submitting corrections or deletes for any misleading website names and our data editors can review and take any appropriate action.

Thanks
Meredith
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Hi Meredith, unfortunately, the reason I have had to post again is because I'm seeing MANY examples of this problem, thanks to the abuse of users.

There's also a site called "Darren's World of Entertainment" who used to post as "A Darren's World of Entertainment Piece", but once they got stopped with that, they now call them "At Darren's World of Entertainment", thus still making a mockery of the system.

I think what needs to happen is that any name instance beginning with "A..." needs to be put into a moderation queue unless it can be verified and whitelisted, eg. there's a site called "A Big Spark", so they're entitled to do it.