Lost and Found. Why can't people type my name in and find me on IMDb?

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Just want to be found without a major search from prospective clients and/or fans 
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gromit82, Champion

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Kurt: Please provide the link here to your IMDb name page.
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2124630/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr2 this is the link to my Name Page as requested
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just fyi: I'm listed as Kurt S. Mason
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Hi Kurt -

Please rest assured that your name is searchable, however, if your name is searched under "Kurt Mason" it will be displayed further down the list because your listing under "Kurt Mason" is not an exact match, therefore, people will need to click on the "More Name Matches" to see your listing:



When your exact name ("Kurt S. Mason") is searched, your name appears at the top of the search results:

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Weird, Michelle, I don't see him when I search it.

I get, even including middle initial, and changing "all" to "names," I get:

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I think I can offer some insight into this problem, but I don't have a full explanation.

If you look at Bluesman's screen shot above, where Kurt's name is not found, you will see that in the lower right it says "Enable adult titles/names in your searches." If one has adult titles/names disabled, then one will get the same result as Bluesman found (without Kurt's name). However, if one enables adult titles/names, then Kurt's name will be found.

What is strange about this is that Kurt S. Mason has no credits in the Adult genre at all. The only titles in his filmography that might possibly cause him to be listed as an "adult" name are two "Girls Gone Wild" videos, for one of which he is listed as editor and for the other of which he is listed as first assistant editor.

But the 2 credits on 2 "GGW" videos don't make up the majority of his filmography (he has a total of 14 other credits on 4 other titles). And, for that matter, Joe Francis (III), the creator of the "Girls Gone Wild" series, has producer credits on over 200 "GGW" titles -- and yet his name is not treated as an "adult" name on IMDb.

So I think further explanation from the staff is needed.
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Nice catch there, gromit! But still strange considering Joe Francis' page and all.
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Hi gromit82 and bluesmanSF, this is really interesting, as I see that all the different "Girls Gone Wild" titles are not displayed with the "Adult" genre, which is why both the pages for Joe Francis and Kurt S. Mason are not recognized under the Adult enabled search.  I will file a ticket for our data editors to take a look at these titles and see if the Adult genre should be added,  it's possible that the Adult genre was just never submitted, it's also possible that even though there is Adult content on these titles, the genre is reserved for hardcore pornography only, and the Adult Genre may not qualify here. 
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This is very odd. Why is a person who has worked on a single adult title, but also on several mainstream titles not found in a search?  It seems to me that this is a very poor decision, particularly when the title involved is not listed as Adult on the displayed pages.

Moreover, the system does not seem to work that way most of the time.  I disabled Adult TItles/Names and searched for Traci Lords and Kristine DeBell and found both even though both have actual adult titles listed. To be sure, I disabled Adult, then signed out and rebooted my computer just to be sure. I was able to find both of them both before I logged in again and after I did.
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... I disabled Adult TItles/Names and searched for Traci Lords ....
(3 months later) ...
Traci Lords is not listed in name search results unless the adult option is enabled.
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Yea this changed for me as well. Traci Lords used to show up with adult disabled, and now she only shows up if you enable adult search.

Which is kind of a shame when you realize shes done far more non-adult work than adult films and has been a mainstream actress for more than 20 years after only a couple years in the adult business (as a teenager)
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Hi bluesmanSF, putting the Adult enabled issue aside, looking at your screen grab I noticed that you didn't include capitalization, which is the difference between my search and your search for the name.  Currently the Search filed is extremely sensitive, as well as case-sensitive, which is why you did not see the name listed within the results.
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Michelle: Actually, I don't find the search field to be case-sensitive at all, which is a good thing. See, for example, the following search result:



Notice that even entering the name in lower case letters and omitting the middle initial, the number one search result for "samuel jackson" is Samuel L. Jackson, who is the most likely target of such a search.

Returning to Kurt S. Mason's problem, if there is no "adult" flag on the "Girls Gone Wild" titles currently, then what is causing his name not to show up when a user does not have adult names/titles enabled? None of his other works have anything to do with anything that looks like it should be flagged for adult content.

Finally, if the "GGW" titles don't belong in the Adult genre, then they probably do belong in the Erotica genre, which was approved almost five years ago but never implemented. (See https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/implementation_of_new_genres and the links therein.) I realize that the implementation of new genres is more difficult than I had originally thought, but perhaps this should provide some more impetus toward making that a priority. 
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Hi gromit82 -

Thanks for the screen grab and information, I stand corrected!  The Search feature uses a number of complicated algorithms, so I'm glad to hear that you haven't experienced any issues with case sensitivities.

Going back to Kurt's issue, this is resulted from his "Girls Gone Wild" credits, so in order to see his name in the search results one must enable adult titles/names.

While his "Girls Gone Wild" credit titles are not listed with the Adult genre, they are internally marked with an Adult tag, so Kurt's page will be hidden from search results unless the Adult option is enabled.

I have passed along your comments to our staff regarding the implementation of new genres, for these "Girls Gone Wild" titles, this is a bit tricky and they will need to be assessed individually, as some of them started as more erotic in nature while others extended to more hardcore videos.
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If that's the case, I will take that credit off my IMDb, it was never an issue until just recently... And I've seen racier material on TV and Cable... But if that's what it takes to be seen, on IMDb so be it.... Kinda sad though
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I believe some of the content in the franchise is a lot more hard core than the "flash your %^&s" editions (uhh...so I've heard...).

There really needs to be a fix to the general situation though rather than removing content completely. It'll be very difficult, so you know, to get a deletion accepted. You should definitely explain that because of issues beyond your control it's blocking your page from some users trying to find it and maybe include a link to this thread so they don't just type it in and locate it with ease. It'll be helpful for them to know there's been more to it and sometimes you find it, sometimes you don't.

Good luck!
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Michelle: In addition to the issues recently raised by David and Bluesman above, I would note that even if one disables adult names/titles in one searches, one will still be able to find Joe Francis (III), the producer of the "Girls Gone Wild" series.

If Kurt S. Mason gets tagged as an "adult" name just for editing two videos in the "Girls Gone Wild" series, then I would normally have expected that Joe Francis would also get tagged as an "adult" name for producing those same two videos -- and also producing two hundred forty-seven other "Girls Gone Wild" videos as well. But Francis is not tagged as an "adult" name currently -- he can be found even if one has not enabled adult names/titles.

Is there some kind of formula or calculation used to determine whether an individual with titles in the Adult genre or other adult-flagged titles gets classified as an "adult" name and thus is suppressed from being found in certain searches (even if the person has also worked on mainstream titles, too)? Or is it dependent on individual decisions by the IMDb staff?
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Hi gromit82 -

That's interesting, I'm not sure why 'Joe Francis (III)' is showing in the search while Kurt isn't.  I will dig deeper into this and have filed a ticket to investigate this situation.  I will post the relevant information here when I have further details.
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Following up here, our data editors confirmed that the search is working as designed for the name search of both individuals. 

There is an internal formula that recognizes both the type and number of credits,  based on that formula it is automatically determined when a name will be suppressed from the general search.  I am unable to provide further details of the specifics of this  algorithm, however, the reason why some names are displayed in the search while others are not, solely depends on the filmographies of those individuals against our internal process.