Indian Movies Top 250

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Well ... in 2 days we've seen 6 new entries from Indian Movies and every movie of the top 250 gained at least one spot. In 3 months we will have a whole Indian Top 250 in the Top 250 ? I don't know if you changed something in the weighted average system but this thing is getting out of control. A lot of strange movements from other Russian movies as well. . I mean "Come and See" no movements in six months +7 in a single day.. Gans of Wasseypur +7 Munna Bhai +5 in a single day!!!! What's happening?
I hope the problem will be fixed and that there aren't bot out there that are ruining our top 250. I've that 3 days ago the chart didn't get updated for a 36 hours. After that, all of a sudden all these strange changes.
You think you will do something to stop this invasion and these strange movements?
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Thanks for the heads-up! I've reached out to the team in charge for more info.
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Our voting system is constantly being improved and the formulas used to calculate the ratings and charts are tweaked regularly in order to improve our ability to detect and defeat ballot stuffing and other attempts to influence the results.

Weighted ratings are frequently recalculated, so when the formula is changed, the ratings may also change even without the addition of many votes. The changes you are seeing are normal and result from this periodic fine tuning of the weighing mechanism.

I've updated this post to an Idea so other users can weigh in. The team in charge of this feature are following and will consider all feedback as we continue to improve the site.
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I understand that weightd ratings are recalculated..but I think this time you changed "too much" on your algorithm. In 3 months Shawshank and the Godfather will be replaced with 3 Idiots and Gangs Of Wasseypur.
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If you would like to exclude Indian titles, you can always use the English Top 250:

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies
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No. some Indian movies are good. Dangal is beautiful. The problem is the abnormal flooding of the list with titles from turkey Russia or India, that is useless.
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"If you would like to exclude Indian titles, you can always use the English Top 250"

This way we would exclude ALL non-English movies, not just the Indian ones...

But, actually, this is a good idea. It would be nice if we could exclude/choose movies from a certain country, or language, genre, release date etc from the Top 250 list. Just like the options we have now in the Advanced Title Search, but specifically for the Top 250 list.
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It would appear that there is a definite trend by the People of India to vote by national pride in their film industry rather than voting by an actual true rating of a scale of like to dislike. If it's made in India, it must be a 10. With 1.333 billion in population for the country, bots don't need to upvote a title...the combined population is doing the "stuffing" all on it's own. The low top 1000 voters votes should be a clue, and the number percentage of 10 rankings should make this hypothesis clear to anyone that really looks closely.

I have only used two example below. I looked further and found another dozen that have the same pattern. The pride of the people of India is commendable. But there is a problem when a specific group of persons are not conforming to the rules the rest of us voluntarily adhere to.


Adhanhun 132, top 1000 voters 5.6 rating 39% of the votes are a 10!?!? The Highest group!


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5074352/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

Same issue........... top 1000 is 5.9
10 Votes are out of alignment



Same again.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1187043/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt




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Canada, The US, Mexico, and England's population is 37.06 million, 327.2 million, 129.2 million, and 66.04 million respectively. That is not even 1/2 of India's population.

There needs to be a split of titles by language and distribution. Not Countries.

Or at the very least the algorithm needs to be rewritten to take into account the distribution only of titles for inclusion in the 250 list.
If it is not world wide in its showing, it should not be on a worldwide list.

Also
My ability to vote on those titles is there, but I really cannot give a true opinion and rank it as because as the old saying goes, "The meaning is lost in translation". It may be great in it's home language, but horrible in English or visa versa. Or it may not be available at in English. That locks me out of rating it altogether. If 100% of IMDb members do not have access (Language Wise) to all movies that are eligible for the top 250, then how accurate can the list actually be?
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Well.. a super easy method would be set a couple treshold for example:
-percentage of '1' votes > 3%
-top 1000 voters votes <6
If a movie have one of those two chriteria the film could not be in the top 250.

In this way we will delete from the chart:
-Drishyam
-Swades
-PK (4,7% of "1" votes !!!!!!!)
-Munna Bhai
-Gangs of Wasseypur
-Lagaan
-La Battaglia di Algeri
-Dangal
-Come and See
-Andhandhun
-Sherlock Jr.
-Eskiya
-Andrej Rublev
-La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc
-Rang de Basanti
-Sunrise
-Le Salaire de La Peure
-Tokyo Monogatari
-Babam ve Oglum
-Taare Zamen Par

Now you have 20 titles that don't deserve to be on the list, for one of the reason i said: the top voters didn't vote high the title or a lot of people think that that title is trash.

My idea is a great idea to keep the chart great with still some foreign movies like 3 Idiots or Rashomon or Myiazaki movies, but you keep only the great one in the chart.
It's an easy implementation.

Hope the staff read my suggestion, i think other 20 titles would enter the chart and make the list great once again. We will se re-enter:
-Dog day afternoon
-Exorcist
-Jaws
-Beauty And The Beast
-Red Lantern
-Wizard of Oz
-Castle in the sky
-Grapes of wrath
-Maltese falcon

Why you ruined the list with this useless update?
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In response to honolulu styles,

Why would you want to remove The Battle of Algiers, Come and See, Sherlock Jr, Andrei Rublev, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Sunrise, The Wages of Fear, and Tokyo Story from the list? Those are some of the most acclaimed films of all time. Removing them would only serve to devalue the list.

I do agree it's a shame that classics such as Jaws, The Wizard of Oz, and The Maltese Falcon have dropped off. They were on a downward trajectory anyway though, so it was only a matter of time.

The Top 250 has always been an imperfect list. This probably isn't worth worrying about.
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honolulu styles,
Perhaps you should make your own Top 250 by doing an Advanced Title Search each time you want to see them. You could select only the languages/countries you wanted to include, and sort by rating. Something like this:
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=feature&release_date=,2010-12-31&user_rating=8.0,&groups=top_1000&!languages=fr,hi&view=simple&sort=user_rating,desc&count=250
Notice that I cut off the release date at 2010 to avoid all the temporarily high current releases.

Also notice the "!" in the 
&!languages=fr,hi
section. That indicates NOT these languages. I had to add that by hand after selecting the language(s) that I (actually) didn't want. Or I could have put it before one language and not the other: &language=fr,!hi

Once you've perfected your selection process, you can bookmark it and get comparable results each time.
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Aaron:

I do not want to delete all these movies. It wasn't a list of movies I don't like but just a list of movies that won't do the list if you put the threshold I suggested.

Bderoes:

I can do whatever list I want. I know. I don't wanna delete all the Indians or French movies. A lot of them are good. I don't wanna be flooded with plenty of titles just because Indians are 1 billions and vote every title 10
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I really hope a staffer will give a non-generic response. Either IMDb has been compromised or they've changed something significantly. See this post as well: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/glitch-on-the-ratings-system

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I've reported my ideas to that other thread as well. Hope somebody from the staff will give us soon some answers..
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Hi, as you could see, the problem isn't affecting only the Top 250, but the whole site. Thousands of movies had suffered a suddenly and abrupt drop on its ratings. It looks like it has stopped now, but the ratings were not restored to the way they were a week ago. I hope they can fix this. 
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I hope they can fix this.

Or explain it.
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Up to 28 July 2019, the Top 250 list was functioning the way we knew (and most of us accepted and enjoyed).

Since 28 July 2019 (the last 15 days), these changes took place:

Out:

Da hong deng long gao gao gua
The Exorcist
Dog Day Afternoon
Beauty and the Beast
The Maltese Falcon
Jaws
The Wizard of Oz
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 
Les Diaboliques
The Grapes of Wrath
Tenkû no shiro Rapyuta
Donnie Darko
La leggenda del pianista sull'oceano

In:
Drishyam
Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood
Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.
Gangs of Wasseypur
Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India
PK
Swades: We, the People
A Wednesday
Zerkalo 
El ángel exterminador
Sholay
Dil Chahta Hai
Chak De! India

I think it's pretty obvious what's happening here: A MASSIVE rise of Indian movies into the Top 250 list!

10 out of 13 new entries are Indian movies. And if we take into consideration that 2 movies ("Once Upon a Time ... in Hollywood" and  "El ángel exterminador") entered the list because they reached the 25000 votes' limit, this means that 10 out of the 11 movies that were favoured by the new... "recalculation" and the "formula change" are Indian movies!

Also, they didn't just enter the list and get a ranking somewhere between 240-250 (which would be the normal ranking for new entries) and then slowly continue to change places. No, this happens with the rest 240 movies, but the Indian new entries seem to have different "treatment" and some jump up to 20 places, just in a few days!

Some people say it's a glitch or a foul play from outside, i really hope it's something like this, because it would mean that eventually it will be fixed. But i'm afraid neither is happening, i'm guessing (and i hope i'm wrong...) that there is a significant change in the company policy, to further promote in the HUGE Indian market and... well, these are the results.

The Top 250 list is determined, as indicated by Imdb, by the votes of "regular voters". My guess, again, of what is happening, is that Imdb decided for the wrong reasons to give the "regular voter" status to many guys from India and since these guys rate 9/10 and 10/10 their domestic films, well, we are witnessing the effects of these decisions. I just hope that Imdb changes quickly this path...
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The most shameless "vote brigading" occurred at this title: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7738784/. Shows 9.3 on the page but have only 8.1 on the Top Rated Tamil Movies, ranked 16: https://www.imdb.com/india/top-rated-tamil-movies/. That is a huge difference, and more evident when compared with others movies above it on the list. It has been only 6 months since the film released, yet it got 10,000+ votes, again a huge count within a short time for a movie in that language, even the top rated movie on the list have just 13,000+ votes, released in 1987. The most weirdest thing above all is 84.4% voted 10 : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7738784/ratings

Fake voting was done by the lead actor's fans. I remember that when the film was released in February, open campaign was going on at fan groups in Facebook and Whatsapp requesting to rate the film 10 from as many accounts as possible. I request the IMDb staffs to look into this and cull down all the fake votes. This title itself is a perfect sample for studying how fake votes are accumulating in certain titles and how they influence the rating.
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I just visited the movie you mention, you are absolutely right, that's BEYOND RIDICULOUS!

There are 350 reviews for that movie (whereas movies with 100 000+ votes have less reviews), all 10/10 :))  Just a look at the headlines, laughable!

You say that you asked IMDB staff to look into this, did they? Did they respond and/or took some action?
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Apparently not. But I would like to believe they are investigating it right now and will give an update. I hope they do. This one definitely demands a probe.