over a 100 IMDb Fakes Titles From Phillipines in 24 hours

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Just over 48 hours ago someone placed a fake synopsis on a production we are producing, this led to an incredible  find.
It seems individuals out of the Philippines are creating fake movie pages by the 100's daily and IMDB are authorising them.

After speaking with colleagues in the Philippines Government they confirmed sending me Wiki pages that showing the films made each year. 

From what we have discovered the perpetraors on Facebook makes fake posters, post them on social media and their blog, then passes the movies off to IMDB to legitimise their fake internet sales.
The seem to have multiple Facebook accounts as well.

The only information regarding these films is off the blog selling them.

There are no film records, for example no records of Golden Harvest Promotions other than IMDB, no government records, and most of the actors are conveniently dead or unaware if they exist.
If IMDB  does not stop this now they may not be able to a it could crash the system.
In 48 hours they have listed over 100 movies.
We have a trail of information confirming our find, see examples below.
The fact the were able to change information in our account, has us and many industry professionals in Australia concerned about our credit Card details in our accounts and IMDB PRO Memberships.

Here is a link to an official list of all Philippines production facilities since 1919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_film_studios

Notice the production company... Golden Harvest promotions on the IMDB link 
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0225367/?ref_=fn_al_co_1

So this page linked is one of the fake ones. 
Garrison 7 (1965)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5372908/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

Yet on Wiki its Good Harvest, we thought well maybe a mistake then we were sent this list of all movies produced in the 60's.
Not one of the titles exist and there is no record of the actors except what has been created under more fake titles that go on for pages. as the years go on its the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1960s

The more we investigate we can not believe to the extent this has happened. I could not understand how posters could just make the money,  then a college in Government Law enforcement informed me this is just one revenue raising scam, there's as its also fake Piracy using Youtube hits, Facebook accounts, hacking information, etc that globally is a billion dollar industry. They can access accounts to hack, And that region in the Philippines is an ISIS Hotspot training ground.
Anyway let me know how you go I have additional information.

Good Luck Speak Shortly

David Koraca



Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Why doesn't the release year show beside the title for certain titles? (site rede....
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Huge issue if it turns out to be true, HUGE.
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We will look into this, but we have no idea what you mean when you say over one hundred fake titles have been added in the last 24 hours.  There are only 12 titles attached to http://www.imdb.com/company/co0225367/ and only the one specific example you cite has been added recently (some of those 12 date back months). All have been added by longstanding and otherwise reliable top contributors to IMDb. 

Where are the "over one hundred" others? What other information do you have to support your claims? 
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Here's another update one of military cast members found.

One of their latest post. Here is the current IMDB...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1950417/combined

It's a pity the main actors pictured don't get a mention.... Yet!

Here is the Blogspot link.
http://video48.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/the-seventies-38-bernard-belleza.html

the 1970 link...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1970s

Unfortunately no history of the film anywhere.
Also Col our director sent you a private email regarding the situation.
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Very Happy you are looking into this Mr Needham. Ive been teaching Phillipino martial arts for years in OZ and  have many contacts in the Phillipino film Industry especially the stunts area . I am in an Australian production of Garrison 7 and was very interested in seeing the Phillipino film of the same name made in 1965. After a great deal of checking both in Oz and over there, no one has heard of the film even some of the cast , you cannot purchase a copy , not even from their vast illegal copying network where most films actually get sold to the public nor find any mention of this being made except on IMBD. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine a vast manipulation of the IMDB site to prop up their film image and output and since it would be hard for IMDB to hold them to account for proper and honest records of actual Industry films , I am again glad you have decided to look into the matter. the Phillipine Film Industry  has neither the money nor backing to have such a  vast output of productions rivalling Holly wood or Bollywood . Take care and awaiting your findings Nick Pendragon 
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To put things in perspective we have confirmed these illegal activities and a confident they are in clear violation  of the Trade Treaties between The United States, Australia and The Philippines such as the pending Trans Pacific Partnership.
Gena8 Studios will be pursuing those avenues.

~ David
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I'm not surprised you guys are so qucikly onto it . If people are going to be dis-honest they have to be clever and not doing your due diligence on people you are trying to scam is beyond stupid. I find it excellent karma that a film like Garrison 7 ,  written by ex military personnel ,employing  ex military operatives from around the globe has the instant intel , support and  backing of government departments and those currently serving to protect a cherished project such as this .... " Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of War ! "
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Hello Col,

Here is a link to this Blog we came across below.

This is the Blog address  http://video48.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/the-seventies-34-fred-galang-rosanna.html 

IWhen a poster is added you will then see it come up on IMDB. The most recent was one called combat snipes. When you start doing the six dress of separation following some of the actors movie credits you will see the pattern.
We would not have noticed it if the didn't we suspect accidentally edit our IMDB synopsis.

Our Art Director who has worked for Disney, Marvel, Blizard, Lucas Arts,  noticed art work from the 1940's and that is using clip art and fonts from the last decade. 

Pick a movie from the blog look for it on the internet, and there are no records. Only IMDB.
Further research has show yes you are correct some have been up for a while so they have been doing this for some time, there is the odd one in latter years  that has a similar title and a play on the directors or actors names. I guess the problem sorting whats real and what isn't which Im sure IMDB is constantly doing. 

Here are links to The Philipino Film History. More Examples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1940s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1960s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1970s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1980s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_films_of_the_1990s

here is one example. 
Here is the real Romeo Vasquez details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_Vasquez_(actor) you will see it is the same man pictured on the fake posters. They are using some actors like this to fool IMDB which these actors should be notified.

Fake poster  http://video48.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-sixties-658-romeo-vasquez-mina.html

This is MINA ARAGON http://www.geni.com/people/Mina-Aragon/6000000015984865124

She starred in the linked movie before she was even born http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5372908/combined  also pictured on the poster. 

Every Actor and crew associated here you will find has been as what we are now calling it in the office IMDB Bombed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5372908/combined

We have found similar links to the Karate Kid (1967)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426060/combined
 

This is the first 2 on the cast list and it goes on. When you links to other films the pattern continues. Fake profile blurring lines between real actors profiles. You'll also notice no character names are ever assigned to the fake ones. Make it a little easier to follow the trail. There's obviously something going on as the real Garrison 7 Films start filming mid year in conjunction with the Comic con, Supanova media tours. The making of gets released April and we are now being contacted by the media asking for a statement. 

We thought we would bring this to IMDB attention first as this sort of behaviour from these people only hurts our ever struggling industry.

If you use the blog movies Titles as a guide should make it easier to locate the fakes. 

Hope this helps.

David
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You say Mina Aragon would have starred in a 1965 movie before she was even born, but that doesn't appear to be true - here's a newspaper article from around the time she died in 1996 that says she would have been 49 that year, meaning she was born in 1947, making her 18 in 1965. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19960719&id=8GUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0goEAAAAIB...
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Yes Caitlin that is one of the facts, you are correct. The Philippine Film Development Council, with whom we have been in talks regarding filming there since last year, has supplied us with more than enough information. 
Thank you for all the help. Speak Shortly. :)
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Wait what? This is rediculous - Amazon seriously needs to upgrade their security! They have our credit cards for Christ sake! Not to mention that IMDB is used to legitimize people, especially when they're first starting off! Thanks David K. for finding this - those years of detective work have finally payed off!
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No offense...but, are you drunk?

What does "Amazon," "security" or your credit card have to do with someone upload and faked image and giving it a fake title?

Wow that was odd.

They stop or remove faked entries all the time, by the way.  This isn't the first nor last case. I've submitted to remove or correct fake entries dozens of times.  People even post here trying to get faked entries listed many times, unsuccessfully.

Just because someone clicked to upload an image doesn't mean they now have access to your credit card, though...that's just ludicrous to post here that there is such a threat.
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Wow, no need to get offensive. I'll look into the credit card stuff but the fact that they're taking fake stuff down all the time and they missed this MASSIVE and SYSTEMIC fraud means that their system is obviously flawed and they need to raise their standards. Who knows how much longer IMDB will be relevant if they don't do something about this?
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I don't know about the rest of the issue, but just so you know, there is no danger to your credit card information. Anyone can edit the page for any movie (just scroll down to the bottom and click the Edit button) - no need to get into your account to do it. :)
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WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ IS EVEN MORE UNBELIEVABLE AND EXTENDS BIGGER THAT ONCE THOUGH......

We have attempted to contacted the owner of the Blog who Blocked us on Facebook Immediately and took down our post asking for confirmation of these films.

In the last 12 hours the blog posted two new posters that are real films yet with completely reworked artwork that happens to have some of the extra actors added.

The following information is currently available on IMDB and thankfully able to be downloaded for research purposes as a pdf.


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CARIDAD SANCHEZ


We suspect this account has already been IMDB BOMBED if not recently over the years where real and fake Movies have been combined.

Between 1958 and 1969 = 61 movies in total included this actress.

Yet all other information on the internet the the Philippine Film Achieve don’t list these movies with this actress.

Spread over 2 year it’s about 5.5 movies a year.

In between 1968 and 1969 alone she did 15 movies. That’s 7.5 Movies a year.

The Actress CARIDAD SANCHEZ is 80 years old to date.

She according to her since her first appearance in 1958 has IMDB reliable top contributors as pointed out by Mr Col Needham has been in 148 features film.


CARIDAD SANCHEZ ON IMDB

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0760906/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

MOVIES = 148

TELEVISION = 34


CARIDAD SANCHEZ ON WIKI AND PHILLIPINES FILM ACHIVE INFO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caridad_Sanchez

MOVIES = 5

TELEVISION = 23

As you can see there is a major difference. and Her IMDB Counter has jumped 287, 727 this week.

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THE FAKE GARRISON 7 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5372908/combined

To sum up this put and put everything in perspective:

This information once again is regarding the Garrison 7 1965 post which still hasn’t been taken down.

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IMDB - Romeo Sanchez = 119

ACTUAL RECORDS = 35

STAR METER UP =217 371

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IMDB - Mina Agragon = 17

ACTUAL RECORDS = 0

STAR METER UP =368 031

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IMDB - Lou Salvador Jr. = 50

ACTUAL RECORDS = 6

STAR METER UP = 

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IMDB - Von Serna. = 64

ACTUAL RECORDS = 6

STAR METER UP = 515 077

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Just off these 4 actors alone and only the Garrison 7 1965 fake movie between the 1960’s - 80’s including those dates for Carded Sanchez the phillipines has produced 357 FILMS, including the rest of the cast it bumps up to over 1151 movies release.

Now follow the family tree on from there and you can imagine how quickly it grows.  x it by 10 fake movies you are looking at over 10,000 movies out of the Philippine between those dates. That makes them bigger than Hollywood and Hollywood actors.

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TO  SUM UP...

We like IMDB PRO and our Director and Actors are set to endorse the IMDB PRO SYSTEM it In the behind the Scene being released at Comic Con Australia and USA over the next year, yet now now we have a major issue.

In IMDB basic and PRO it was once mandatory to supply company,  personal contact information at least some credible records other than social media and blogs to prove credits. 

Now fake posts allow these predators to create fake resumes using the IMDB reputation to gain investment, raise their star meters and god knows what ever else their agenda is.

Now matter which way anyone justify’s it, the draw back is it calls into question whether services like IMDB Pro are worth the money spent. 

There are other professional film services world wide that offer up to date contact information what we use the IMDB PRO for.

I understand with older movies some production companies are no longer around with that information. Yet that is why they have Government National Film Archive records to confirm these productions and Companies.

The other problem is it cost money and man power to assess this information. this is why the IMDB rely on film professional to keep things current. Unfortunately now everyone is honest.

Prior to posting this we have been in contacted with the Philippines Film Development Council and National Archive which confirmed the Wiki List and are also astounded at the numbers.

Wikipedia seems to have a more stringent authorisation process. yet I’m sure they too are prone to fake listings yet the disappear quick when discovered.

Note: I do not work for Wikipedia

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WHAT THIS MEANS TO THE PHILIPPINES.....

The sad thing is there are some good film makers in the Philippines and once this gets out I'm sure to  some degree it will call into question their industry.

Our director is already having second thoughts regarding filming there as one of the locations. He is now looking at other options.

Word spreads in our industry like wild fire so it's better to nip these things in the butt now, yet we fear it may already be too far entrenched by what we have seen on the surface. 

We stay optimistic for the moment.

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WHAT GENA8 ARE REQUESTING OF THE IMDB....

To start with, we are formally asking the IMDB to investigate thoroughly and take down the Fake IMDB Garrison 7 (1965) which is also a breach of copyright to the owner and creator.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5372908/combined

Start with those actors and the information we have researched and supplied and fix their resumes accordingly.

Who ever the contributor is informed to us by Mr Col Needham were he states is they are a “longstanding and otherwise reliable top contributors to IMDb” clearly this contributor is not.

Look at who posted the fake Synosis a week ago on the Garrison 7:the Fallen page and stop them.

I appreciate you taking the time to read and hope in the future this will intern lead to help stopping the from happening in the future.

I look forward to your response...

David Koraca

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Hi David,

Just been looking into the title Garrison 7 (1965) It looks to be listed in "Kasaysayan at Pelikula: 100 Years of Cinema in the Philippines by Clodualdo Del Mundo Jr. A Philippines Filmography.

In terms of copyright, is it the use of the name Garrison 7 that you object to?

Regards,
Adam
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Really that's interesting,
please share the link.
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I would like to see who published it.
Where it is available online.
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The reference book is by Clodualdo Del Mundo Jr.
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yes you have stated that Adam we understand, can we please have the link you are verifying from. IMDB is the goto data base surely you can provide the link we have requested. 
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Gena8,

What link are you seeking?  Adam is talking about a book.
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If you google the title you can see it cited as a source in a couple of papers; it's the souvenir programme for a film festival from 1998. You can see some of the pages here: http://charitosolis.blogspot.ca/2013/07/100-years-of-cinema-in-philippines.html (Click the photo to enlarge.) Garrison 7 likely appeared in the festival, or was at least mentioned in the programme.
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Caitlin,  The reference is actually 1998. “Charting the Future of Philippine Cinema.” Kasaysayan at Pelikula: 100 Years of Cinema in the Philippines. Film Festival Program Brochure. 58-67.... As you can see and Caitlin pointed out Clodualdo del Mundo is not the author.
Thank you Caitlin for that link now we will investigate further.. Likely is an assumption, IMDB policy is based on fact.

Can I please see this link where it states Garrison 7 in this we now know to be fictional book.



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I don't know about the Garrison 7 reference, but it is not a fictional book - here's a page about the film festival itself: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/torfree.fccs.news.misc/dNZT50HiYFA I found it when I googled '"Kasaysayan at Pelikula" film festival', and the post was published on May 22, 1998. You can also see pictures of the festival programme on the page I linked earlier.
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You can also find a reference to the festival in this 2001 paper, on page 17: http://dirp3.pids.gov.ph/ris/taps/tapspp0103.pdf
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Caitlin I am not disputing the Festival; Adam the employee above made a statement and actual reference. We have proved it to be incorrect.
And as you stated, it is a festival program reference of which we have the PDF reference material.
So once again I am asking Adam the IMDB employee who made this statement, to provide us with irrefutable fact not fiction.
I would imagine with IMDB's reputation to being the leading internet database they would have it.
So we can show Mr Mundo Please send us this information as he is alive and well and active in the industry.
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Hi David,

Please see below for some additional evidence on the existence of the film.


In addition, as Caitlin has sourced Mina Aragon was indeed alive before the filming.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19960719&id=8GUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0goEAAAAIB...

And please see:




and
THE SIXTIES : ROMEO VASQUEZ, MINA ARAGON, LOU SALVADOR, JR., VON SERNA, MINDA MORENA, ROSS RIVAL IN "GARRISON 7" (1965)

"Garrison 7" (1965)

Golden Harvest Promotions

Release Date April 10, 1965/ Boulevard

Serialized in Horror Komiks

Story Eduardo G. Cruz

Screenplay Tony Camonte

Direction Tino Garcia

Cast Romeo Vasquez, Mina Aragon, Lou Salvador, Jr., Von Serna, Minda Morena/ Also starring Ross Rival, Martin Marfil, Bruno Punzalan, Andy Garchitorena, Angel Confiado and Flor Bien/ Co-starring George Bayot, Mario Paje, Mario Montalban/ Guest star- Ben Perez



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This level of information for a film of this age more than satisfies us of the existence. 

It is quite common for films to have the same name and this doesn't mean it breaches copyright. It's also common for films to have identical names and be released in the same year which is why we use a roman numeral system to distinguish them in the database.

I hope this helps clear things up.

Many thanks,
Adam 


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Actually Adam no it doesn't clear  things up, in fact I can not believe you just did what you did.
I want to thank you thank you for your statements and for presenting this information on behalf of the IMDB and Mr Col Needham with such confidence and conviction.
I Thankyou.
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A few things:

1. The blog you linked, Video 48, is not selling these films. It's only listing them and posting scans from a book or books about cinema of the Philippines.

2. You linked to the wikipedia articles for Philippine films from various decades. Lists like these are never complete because there are too many things to list; they'll only list the more prominent examples (see at the top of all of those pages: "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it."). Obscure films won't make the cut. To give an example from another country, I watched the American film Damned If You Don't the other day, so I know it exists, but it's missing entirely from Wikipedia's list of American films from 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_1987 Wikipedia can't list everything; it, like IMDb, is user-edited. You said you spoke to the government of the Philippines, but did they tell you anything aside from linking you to those wikipedia pages?

3. Records of films often get lost, especially if they're not American films. I myself have added pages for films that were missing from IMDb, even though they were available on DVD! Here's one, the Russian film Door: www.imdb.com/title/tt1389073/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 I had to add almost all of the cast and crew's names by hand by watching the credits and double checking the information with a film reference book, which seems to be what the owner of this blog has done. I did this because I love film and I don't want obscure films to become lost, not because I was trying to scam anyone (which Video 48 isn't trying to do anyway).

4. As Adam said, it's extremely common for more than one film to have the same title (sometimes even in the same year). If another film with an unusual title like The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie turned up, I might be suspicious, but Garrison 7 isn't an unusual pair of words.

5. What would be the purpose of this scam? Is it really likely that someone would go to all the trouble of creating extremely believable posters and film reference books with pictures and extensive text, scanning them (or carefully photoshopping them to make them look like they've been scanned), and then using them to sell obscure fake 1960s films from the Philippines that no one's ever heard of? Who is the market for that? If they wanted to make money wouldn't it be easier to sell (or even pretend to sell) recent big name movies, like, say, the Oscar nominees for this year that haven't come out on DVD yet, for which they wouldn't even have to create fake posters, film reference books, and IMDb pages? This would be an extraordinarily elaborate and time-consuming scheme that wouldn't make much, if any, money. Most importantly, the blog isn't selling those movies at all. Look at each of the pages on Video 48 and try to find the link to buy the movies. There aren't any. This is simply a film fan posting information about obscure films.

6. Even if they were selling these movies (which they are not), why would they choose Garrison 7 if they wanted to do such a scheme? This isn't a slight against your film, but it has no big name actors in it, it doesn't come out for another two years, and the director hasn't made any other feature films (that have been released yet). It doesn't have the sort of recognition that would make sense for this sort of thing - if you were to create a fake old movie to cash in on the popularity of a new one (a highly unprofitable idea to begin with - and, I must repeat, they are not trying to sell these movies), wouldn't you choose a big film that's already come out or built up a substantial amount of hype? The plots aren't even remotely similar.

I know that you're concerned, but these sort of coincidences happen all the time, and the scam you're suggesting is both illogical and non-existent. There is no link anywhere on the blog to buy these old movies. It seems to be a labour of love from a fan of Filipino film. There is no scam and these films exist.
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