I edited a pilot that did not get picked up and my credit request isn't being verified on IMDB. I have the paystubs...what do I do?

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I edited a pilot that did not get picked up and my credit request isn't being verified on IMDB. I don't believe it will air anytime soon. I have the pay stubs...what do I do to add my credit?
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Is the title listed on IMDb?  If it has not, and might not, be aired or released to the public, it would not be eligible for listing and you would not be able to list it on your page (the database is title-based and the credit resides on the title page and migrates to the name pages.

The guide for eligibility says:

Eligibility: General Public Interest

For a work to be eligible for inclusion in the database it must be of general public interest and should be available to the public or have been available in the past. We accept most kinds of films/TV shows, including big screen and direct-to-DVD features; web series; documentaries; video games; experimental films and short films. General public interest is assumed if a work has been:

  • Released in cinemas.
  • Shown on TV.
  • Released on video or the web or prints have been made available to the public.
  • Listed in the catalog of an established video retailer; (e.g. Amazon.com).
  • Accepted and shown on film festivals.
  • Made by a (now) famous artist or person of public interest.
  • Made famous for some reason and is widely talked about/referenced in media or the 'film community' or is now of general historic interest for some reason.

NOTE: Unless general public interest is assumed for one of the reasons stated above, general public interest is NOT given for titles:

  • Made for private home use only (i.e. like a home movie, which is of a strictly private nature).
  • Made for local consumption by friends, family members and neighbours, the local school campus etc. (including "local access television").
Pay stubs might not be enough to prove the credit.  Evidence of pay doesn't always mean on screen credit was given.  If you can get a hold of a screen capture of your name in on screen credits, it would be more readily accepted.

Work done, but credit not received is more an item for a resume.  Do you have a resume attached to your Name Page?  You could certainly list it there.

If you have already submitted a request to add the credit, you can post your submission ID number here in this thread and staff can check on the status.  Also, yes, adding something to help them verify it would normally help, if this credit is found to be eligible.  You could scan or photograph the document and upload here (you could black out personal information), or you can upload it to a pic hosting site or put it in a dropbox folder and forward the link on the verification form http://www.imdb.com/helpdesk/data_verification

The submission ID number can be found in your account's "Site Settings" page under
View your contributions (the 18 digit number on the left of the page).
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Yes, when I type in "Salvation," it is the first one that comes up (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3539290/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1).  I was brought on as a co-editor after this page had been formed and signed the shared credit info with the Guild.  The titling and end credits occured after I wrapped the show...

Yes, it is on my resume, but not everyone looks at my resume.  A lot of people go to imdb.com first.  Even if I got a screen grab of the end credits, where would I send it?  Is there anything that can be done?
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Re:  "Is there anything that can be done?"

Yes, as I described above:

1)  If you have submitted a request to add it already, you should post the submission  ID number and let staff take a look and see what you need.

2) Provide evidence. To send in evidence to help them verify the credits (since it wasn't initially added and is probably not available to watch and see what's in the credits), you'd probably need the screen grab.

As I posted above, you could upload the pic of the credits here in this thread (and add the submission ID number), by clicking the small camera icon that shows when you post or reply. 

or

Alternatively you could upload it to a pic hosting site (tinypic.com, photobucket.com, etc.), or put the pic file into a dropbox folder (dropbox.com)  and give a link and the submission ID number to staff on this form http://www.imdb.com/helpdesk/data_verification

If, as you said above, this didn't get released and it never happens to get released, the title might get removed as it would be ineligible for inclusion in the database.

You didn't mention when you submitted it.  If it's been less than two to three weeks, it could still be processing as it takes, normally, 1 to 14 days, but there can also be backlogs.

The processing times page says, for editors:

Filmography: Editors: Oldest waiting to process is 17 July, 2014, number waiting to process is 380
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My reference number is: 140514-012308-471000.

I submitted it in March and resubmitted in April of 2014.

I checked with the Co-Producer, Denise Pleune (listed on the Imdb page as having worked on the pilot) and they didn't title the show.  They didn't want to spend the money on titling until it went to series (which it didn't).  She said she is happy to verify.

I could send a screen grab of show content with Ashley Judd or other actors, but that is against Universal Studios policy.  I can't post it in a public forum like this.

It may be turned into TV movie and it is still up now, so I should be included in the credits until/if it is removed.

All I have is the reference of people on the show and my pay stubs...
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If there are no credits, you shouldn't be listed until it proves false, you should remain uncredited until credited. An IMDb Name Page is not a resume. It is for documenting on screen credits.

They do not accept third party referral for proving credited work. Usually if you're not in the originally submitted cast and crew, you have to wait until on screen credits can be verified.

Feel free to do what you like but, they usually don't list data until it's proven not to exist. They strive to list accurately. And that would allow for a ton of false info.
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Mr. Kilton:

I think one possible issue is that we already have an editor listed for this title. Were two editors involved? Or should either one of them be credited with assistant or additional editing? You mention having been brought on as a co-editor but there's no mention of this in the original submission -- if your role wasn't as the main editor of the show, you may want to submit the entry as an addition to the editorial department section rather than as the primary editor. 
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Hello Henry,

The original intent of the project was to have only one editor, but the editor's rough cut came in at 77 minutes with a network target time of 43 minutes.  Initially, I found out about the job and started working within a matter of two hours and we did not discuss how I would be credited.  It was just clear they needed someone immediately as the workload and schedule were overwhelming.

Over the course of the next three and a half weeks, I took the back three acts of the pilot and recut the majority of the scenes, especially in the last act.  After we locked, the director (Jeff), the producer/writer (Liz), and the editor (Josh) all felt that my contribution warranted a co-editing credit.  Josh was actually the one that proposed it and he and I signed a document for the Editor's Guild to share a full credit (in case "Salvation" went to series) and it was titled.

I can ask the post producer, Denise, if she has a copy of that document, but I am not sure it exists in digital form and may only exist as a hard copy in a wrap box somewhere at Universal Studios.  I also do not want to resubmit my credit as something other than what it was (a co-editing credit) because I earned that credit and had many pain-staking hours after midnight to do so.  I hope you understand.

James
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Henry, I feel my last response has answered your question.  I was not an additional editor, I was a primary editor.  How do I proceed given the information that I stated above?

James
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Again, I was not an assistant or additional editor, I was a co-editor.  What do I do??
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This is such an ridiculous process and the lack of response is maddening.  Isn't there a way to verify this submission by contacting an actual human being who worked on the show??
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No, not usually.  Usually, if it's not listed from the get-go, by producers, people need to wait for release and provide evidence such as a screen capture of the on screen credits.

IMDb primarily documents what is in the on screen credits.  If the credits were not created and the work unfinished and not released, there's really nothing for IMDb to document.  The Name Pages are not like a resume which lists work done.  Their purpose is to document what has appeared in on screen credits.

If you're asking them to make an exception and grant something be listed that doesn't exist, you could try...and if you're asking they make an exception to call a third party (which they don't do and have said so before when asked), you should probably ask them in private, via the Help Desk, on via this form as they won't want to exchange phone numbers in public.

Note that, even the FAQ page for credits keeps mentioning on screen credit.  If none exist, they should not be listing it (if or until it gets finished and there are credits to verify):

IMDb Credit Eligibility Top Frequently Asked Questions

IMDb Credit Eligibility Top Frequently Asked Questions This page includes answers to the most common feedback, complaints and frequently asked questions about which credits are eligible to be listed on IMDb. Please read these notes carefully before contacting us: due to the volume of help requests we receive we can't respond to questions or complaints that are already addressed here.

Help desk requests about one of these issues will be deleted with no reply, sorry.

  • I worked on a film/TV show. Can I be listed in the database?
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