Heroes Don't Always Die in Hero

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Which of these non-heroics deaths of a good-doer or hero is your favorite?

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List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099983103/

Suggestion needed!!!
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By courtesy announce the movie in which the death occurs before the description.
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Language correction:

Heroes Don't Always Die in Heroically
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If this one overflow I'm gonna be pretty impressed.

I have made a ton of research, it seems to be very rare for a good-guy to die like a coward or in any stupid way. Usually, when heroes die, they die in sacrifice or by doing their best.
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Not shown in the movie but described as a letter was read out loud, Mr. Roberts death in the movie of the same name.

It should be requirement - It has to be shown in the movie.

John Wayne, as Sgt. Stryker, gets shot in the back by a sniper’s bullet in “The Sands of IMO Jima” . The ending to the film, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_8BJ...

BTW, I agree with Siobhan (scary avatar), the title needs to be changed. FYC : Heroes Don’t Always Die a Hero’s Death
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I didn't add Mr. Roberts his death, I want to restrict to onscreen deaths, not to related ones, but I changed the title and added Sgt. Stryker.
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 I agree with Siobhan (scary avatar)

LOL, actually I think Siobhan is a name meaning "God is gracious" or something.  xD  Unless it's a character I'm not aware of, the pic doesn't really match the word.  xD
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Siobhan aka Siobhan McDougall (later Siobhan Smythe), aka Silver Banshee, a DC villain and enemy of Superman & Supergirl.

This is in keeping with my previous DC villain incarnations, Talia (al Ghul), Bane, (Poison) Ivy, etc.
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I'm going to try to do my best to expand this list because I think this is a great idea.

A really good example from one of my all-time favorite movies - Lonely Are the Brave. Major spoiler ahead - at the very end of the movie after successfully outsmarting and outrunning a whole posse of lawmen, the fugitive hero's horse is spooked trying to cross the highway and they get hit by a truck.

Pulp Fiction - a bit of a stretch, because Vincent Vega is only an anti-hero at best, but he does die trying to take a bathroom break.

Into the Wild - Christopher McCandless, an idealistic but inexperienced wannabe survivalist, dies because of making a careless mistake (he ate a poisonous plant and starved).

No Country for Old Men - anti-hero (sort of) Llewelyn Moss is "shockingly killed offscreen by assassins" (ScreenRant)

Lawrence of Arabia - T.E. Lawrence dies in the prologue due to a motorcycle accident after speeding on a country roadway.

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - not technically a "death", but when McMurphy is lobotomized it's a pretty bleak and unheroic end for him.

Silence (2016) - The main character, Rodrigues, who risked everything to find his mentor, facing religious persecution, eventually gives up and apostatizes (i.e. publicly renounces his faith). He dies of old age decades later, a shell of his former self.

The Dark Knight - Harvey Dent literally dies as a villain, so there's that.

Vanishing Point - spoiler alert! Kowalski commits suicide by driving straight into a police barricade at high speed.

Ran (1985) - the elderly warlord Hidetora, after being betrayed by his sons, succumbs to madness and runs off a cliff. (Similar to the death of Lord Denethor in The Return of the King).

Hamlet (there have been several movie adaptations) - Hamlet dies after having done far more harm than good in his attempts to avenge his father.

Some of these are a bit of a stretch, but I think some of them would be perfect for this list. I'll post more later if I think of any.
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Another example:

Easy Rider - While on their way to Florida, the main characters are randomly murdered by a couple of hillbillies who don't like the way they dress.
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I added 

Jack Burns

Vincent Vega

Christopher McCandless

T. E. Lawrence

Rodrigues

Kowalski

Hidetora


I don't know how I forgot about Lonely are the Brave, I watched it last week.

and T. E. Lawrence his death is very ironic too don't know how I forgot it when making the poll.
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I add Wyatt and Billy too.
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Excluded:

Llewelyn Moss (Offscreen)

Murphy (Not dead)

Harvey Dent (He was a villain when he died not a hero)

Hamlet (He had his revenge so he kind of died achieving his goal)
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I would have to object to Vega. He is an anti-hero (which some of the characters on this list are). In “Pulp Fiction”, he is called evil, and moves between the villain and anti-hero status. When he dies, he is on assignment to kill Bruce Willis’s character who has hero status throughout the film. Therefore, he was a villain when he dies.
For some reason, I’m thinking of “Prizzi’s Honor” with Jack Nicholson.
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Good point, I removed Vincent Vega.
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I'd say being killed in your bathroom is pretty un-hero-like...
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I don’t know if you want this one because he was a bit of a jerk in the movie and the movie is not that well known, but it was Sen. William J. Tadlock’s (Kirk Douglas) iron will that keeps the Oregon Liberty wagon train moving in “The Way West” (1967). While he is hanging on a rope off a cliff and ordering the wagon train to hiring up the horses and get moving, an insane woman cuts the rope and he falls to his death.
While this video was dubbed into Spanish, it shows his death scene as coming quick and unexpected.
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I'm not able to find evidence for that one, do you have a link to a video or a picture, it is hard to figure out if he is eligible only by your description.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3vlKvqR...
That is the trailer for the film. It has two shots from the same scene. One of Tadlock ordering the wagon train to move. The second is a few seconds later after the rope has been cut. That is Tadlock falling to his death.

Here is the full scene, dubbed into Spanish as “CAMINO A OREGON 1967 - Escena del barranco 2”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_DBCl1U...
Yeah, he clearly falls to his death.

And if you stay on long enough, google sends you to this scene from “Outlaw Joesy Wales” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwSjDc...
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I added Senator William J. Tadlock. Thank you.
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FYC: Manuel 'Cheyenne' Gutiérrez (just say Cheyenne) death in “Once Upon A Time In The West”. He finally dies from a gunshot wound.
“The Dirty Dozen” Take your pick! Probably Franco. He survives the mission only to get shot in the back.
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1) According to me, Cheyenne is not important enough in the story, Charles Bronson a much more important character. Plus, he died from the wound of a dual, that is heroic enough.


Franko added
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FYC: Vincent Kane's in The Ninth Configuration 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081237/mediaviewer/rm3777059840
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How does he die, I have watched a video of him agonizing on a chair, but it doesn't
explain how he got there.
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he was stabbed in a bar fight, but no one noticed. 
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After reading the plot, I have come to the conclusion that he has sacrificed himself for his friend. So he is not eligible.
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I will replace the image list with a title list. Some of these images contain major spoilers.
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Please correct:

non-heroic deaths (no s in heroic)
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Please correct these grammatical/spelling errors:

CHANGE:

Rodrigues gave his quest and died years later.

TO:

Rodrigues gave up his quest and died years later.


CHANGE:

Kowalski committed suicide ina voluntary car crash.

TO:

Kowalski committed suicide in a voluntary car crash.


CHANGE:

Joe Gillis is shot and the back, he then drown in the pool.

TO:

Joe Gillis is shot and the back, he then drowns in the pool.

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Joe Gillis is shot in the back; he then drowns in the pool.

OR

Joe Gillis is shot in the back and then drowns in the pool.
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Not too sure that his death was unheroic, he has death similar to William Wallace, it expected/touching. I think that they filmed in a way that remains heroic, throughout he remains calmer than Tom Hanks' character, for me that is a heroic death.
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and maybe:  
Jon Snow - game of thrones . . . ??
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I will include him but specify that he got resurrected.

So far the list is not even half full so I will accept TV deaths. However, if the list hits 35 options, I will split the idea into 1 poll for movies and 1 poll for TV.
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BTW, I transformed the list to a title list, to avoid spoilers.

There is the new list: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098121583/
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What do you think about Titanic???? There was space definitely!!!!  :D
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Jack died in a heroic way, he chose to save Rose.
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Ok...i still believe that there was space for both of them... ;)
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EFI, watch the movie again. It was not a question of if there was room on the raft. It was a question of could the price of wood still float supporting both of their weight. The answer was no. It starts to sink as Jack tries to get on.
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FYC:

  1. Llewelyn Moss (Josh Brolin) in No Country for Old Men (2007)
  2. William Wallace (Mel Gibson) in Braveheart (1995)
  3. Billy (Leonardo DiCaprio) in The Departed (2006)
  4. Han Solo (Harrison Ford) in Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015)
  5. Spartacus (Kirk Douglas) in Spartacus (1960)
  6. David Dunn (Bruce Willis) in Glass (2019)
  7. Professor Albus Dumbledore (Michael Gambon) in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)
  8. Professor Severus Snape (Alan Rickman) in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011)
  9. Mr. Orange (Tim Roth) in Reservoir Dogs (1992)
  10. Sirius Black (Gary Oldman) in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
  11. Héctor (Gael García Bernal) in Coco (2017)
  12. Bubba Blue (Mykelti Williamson) in Forrest Gump (1994)
  13. Dick Hallorann (Scatman Crothers) in The Shining (1980)
  14. Julian (Julianne Moore) in Children of Men (2006)
  15. Lance Corporal Blake (Dean-Charles Chapman) in 1917 (2019)
  16. Thomas Wayne (Bruce Wayne's father)
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1. Llewelyn Moss (Excluded) (Off-screen)
2. William Wallace (Excluded) (Too heroic, he died as a martyr)
3. Billy (Included, thank you)
4. Han Solo (Included, thank you)
5. Spartacus (Too heroic, he died as a martyr)
6.  David Dunn (Included, thank you)
7. Albus Dumbledore (Too heroic, he even got a slow-motion sequence, and his last words, he sacrificed for Harry)
9. Severus Snape (Included, thank you)
9. Mr. Orange (Included, thank you)
10. Sirius Black (Included, thank you)
11. Hector (How did he die??)
12. Bubba Blue (Included, thank you)
13. Dick Halloran (Included, thank you)
14. Julian (Included, thank you)
15. Lance Corporal Blake (Included, thank you)
16. Thomas Wayne (He died protecting his family in  Batman Begins, Joker and Batman (1989))
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Hector was poisoned in a flashback scene by the movie's villain who murdered him so that he could steal credit for his songs.
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He is right. It was Miguel who puts two and two together by comparing hector’s story to a movie scene that Ernesto wrote. He remembers that in the movie, it was Ernesto who makes the poisoned drink and serves it to his friend. Then Miguel asked did you make that scene up or took it from real life!
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Hector added.
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I think Han Solo (Harrison Ford) in Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) - has helped his son to awake with a very heroic way, it was a sacrifice & Lance Corporal Blake (Dean-Charles Chapman) in 1917 (2019) - died in war when tried to save his brother and all his companies.....
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I rewatched the death scene in Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens and removed Han Solo's death from the list.

I removed Blake from the list too, he was trying to save his enemy when he died, I think that in its own way, it was heroic.
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FYC:
Donnie Darko (2001) is got to be one of the best deconstructions/reconstructions of heroic death ever. He goes to sleep, knowing he will be crushed to death by an aircraft engine from nowhere and yet he laughs at the irony of its all, literally at the face of death, knowing he saves the world he likes and people he loves. It's both spectecularly heroic moment and yet literally no one actually knows how much of sacrifice he made for them to live. Deeply symbolic, very thought-provoking, mesmerizing. 

And then this. Man, I love this movie. 
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But you only explained how his death is heroic. The poll is about unheroic deaths.

BTW, I like the movie too.
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cinephile,

Please correct these minor typos.

#7 Add a period.
Wyatt and Billy are randomly murdered by a couple of hillbillies
Wyatt and Billy are randomly murdered by a couple of hillbillies.


#11 Add punctuation.
Chris McCandless poisoned himself accidentally, he then starved
Chris McCandless poisoned himself accidentally; he then starved.

#14 Add a period.
Jon Snow is stabbed six times, but he got resurrected
Jon Snow is stabbed six times, but he got resurrected.
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Also:
#13: in the back
#21: in the head
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All corrected.
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I love this poll and have spent the past several days trying to decide on my vote but it just occurred to me that perhaps asking for the "favorite" death is maybe not the exactly right word? 

I don't think it's a big deal but I'm wondering if something like "Which death was the most heartbreaking to you?" would be more precisely accurate?  'Just a thought. 'Great poll either way.
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Agree that "heartbreaking" is more specific and substantive than "favourite".

Another viable option in this context could be "annoying" (or perhaps some better-sounding synonym for "annoying").
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Is everyone fine with "shocking"?
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Frustrating, baffling, undeserved, disheartening, maddening, tragic, pathetic, pitiful, preposterous, absurd and anticlimactic are all words to consider.
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Thanks Timothy.

My vote would be for "disheartening". The word captures and encapsulates a pretty broad range of contextually relevant sentiments.
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heartrending??
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I still vote "disheartening"

Maybe wait for Ruby, Nikolay, Dan and Jessica's inputs. They be better language nerds than me.
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I feel like disheartening is pretty well rounded too.
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Disheartening works well. 
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Here are some that you may think about, not sure if they are really right, but perhaps.

This one may seem like an odd thought but I was thinking perhaps Danny in American History X. He certainly wasn't a hero, or really good-doer, but he was seemingly changing his ways for the better and it was a particularly disheartening and poignant scene.

Another I was thinking was perhaps Roman in Roman J Israel Esq. Although, I'm not sure if that counts as onscreen or not.

David Dunn in Glass is one which seems to fit the category fairly well, he was a hero and really didn't have a heroic ending. I saw someone else mention it, but thought I'd show my agreement.

Just thought of another, maybe Ned in The Life Aquatic? And thinking of Bill Murray, perhaps 'Bill Murray' in Zombieland? And then again, Bill Murray and zombies, most of the characters in 'The Dead Don't Die' could fit this category.

As for Willem Dafoe (also The Life Aquatic), could Sergeant Elias’s death in Platoon fit into this category?

Just food for thought, the choice is yours. 
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I'm sorry about the layout, I just saw that I put the person before the movie, I do apologise.
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Danny Vinyard (Wasn't really a hero no a good-doer)
Roman J. Israel (I can't find a clip of his death)
David Dunn (Already in the list)
Bill Murray in Zombieland (I think that his role is too minor)
Most of the Characters in 'Death Don't Die' (Could you be more specific)
Klaus Daimler (I can't find how he died in the movie)
Elias in Platoon (It is a tragic death, but it is incredibly heroic)
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Sorry about that, I meant, in “The Life Aquatic”, Ned Plimpton’s (Owen Wilson) death.

I kind of thought because Elias was betrayed, but yeah it was really heroic.

I can see what you mean for Danny Vinyard, really wasn’t sure about that one.

In “Roman J Israel Esq.” I am sure he was shot at the end, but perhaps offscreen and I can’t find any evidence of it either, odd.

As for “The Dead Don’t Die”, there is the group of “hipsters from Cleveland”, who are seeming good doers and are really just killed, without any exact heroism. There is the motel manager and delivery driver who goes the same way. But none of these people are explicitly good-doers, so now that I think about it, the only one that may count is Mindy (Chloë Sevigny), who is a police officer who jumps into a hoard of zombies because she thinks one of them is her grandmother and then dies. The other two police officers, do die fighting off zombies, so I guess that’s too heroic.
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Roman J Israel: The man walks up behind Roman, and we hear a gun shot. Next, we see Roman's briefcase laying on the ground. It's assumed he's been shot and killed, although we don't actually see his body. (So he isn't eligible)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6000478/plotsummary

As you explained, in Death Don't Die these characters aren't really eligible.

I have watched a video of Ned Plimpton's death an I think that he is eligible, I will add him.
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Nice, glad I could help you add one eligible one, it really makes you think, especially with the offscreen part. It's an interesting list.
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I like what you came up with for the intro. I think "shocking" works well. : )
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I added disheartening.

"Which of these non-heroic deaths of a good-doer or hero is the most disheartening?"
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