godzilla 1984 things

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gojira 1984 has two entries for the same footage

(103 min)https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087344

(103 min) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9015178

the second one as i understand is just translated version
as opposed to "Godzilla 1985" (87 min) which was re-edited in the style of usa release of original gojira
but godzilla 1985 redirects into gojira 1984 instead

also gojira 1984 has it's metacritic pulled from 1985 re-edit, all of the reviews mention the 1985 and the usa actor


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Seems to be the same film (I have all these movies, but it has been years since I saw this one). As with some other Godzilla movies, re-edited ”U.S. version” was also released (from Wiki):

”... a heavily re-edited American adaptation of the film which includes additional footage, and features Raymond Burr reprising his role from the 1956 film Godzilla, King of the Monsters!.”

It’s of course possible that IMDb has included two versions as individual titles in purpose (just like with some films vs mini-series like Das Boot etc).
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but re-edited version is not listed and have different run-time
link for re-edited version leads to gojira 1984
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Supply this link please
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in the OP
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Not fully sure what you mean? There’s only ”The Return of Godzilla” AKA ”Godzilla 1994”. Before that there was ”Terror of Mechagodzilla” (1975) and after that ”Godzilla vs. Biollante” (1989).


Not sure why IMDb lists the film as ”Godzilla 1995”. Perhaps because it was released in 1995 in the U.S.
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wikipedia has section on why godzilla 1985 exists
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There is a Japanese version and a US version that is dubbed with the one exception being that the US version is re-edited and has Raymond Burr inserted into the cast. He naturally speaks English.
They are considered separate titles. This confirms E-Boys assertion.
The Poster for the US Version I believe is incorrect at a quick glance.
This should be the correct Image.
1 sheet movie poster
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that's what i've said in op

there is in real life, and they have different runtime
but on IMDB search gives you 3 results:
gojira 1984 103 min
return of godzilla 103 min
gojira 1985 87 min

1984 and return are separate imdb entries, but 1985 re-directs to 1984

open the links in the op and check runtimes
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agof.
What Country are you in?
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Hi agof,

Thanks for your post.

There may be some clarity available via our Alternate Versions section: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087344/alternateversions?ref_=tt_ql_trv_5 and the movie connection of the second film you linked: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9015178/movieconnections?ref_=tt_ql_trv_6

If you believe that the US version does not warrant a separate listing please list any evidence you have to support this on this thread and we can evaluate from there.
Thank you in advance.
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the us version doesn't have a separate listing, there is no 87 minute version anywhere on the site. the us version is ALREADY merged into 1984 title

if us version should have a separate entry, then there should be a 87 minutes entry and 1985 date, which doesn't have alternate titles
and a separate The Return of Godzilla 103 minutes 1984 entry with an alternate original title gojira

which i've already explained in the OP




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The US 'Godzilla 1985' (1985) Version should NOT be merged into the version 'Godzilla Returns' (1984) which is mistakenly just called 'Godzilla' or 'Godzilla 1984'.
The US 1985 Version has either an 87 or 91 minute runtime depending where you look.
Anyone that lists it at 103 has it wrong.




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This is the ”U.S. version” (actor Raymond Burr only appears in that version, and there are some other U.S. credits like the 2nd director, dop and editor):
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0087344/

If the run time of that version is currently wrong in IMDb, you can correct it. Just make sure you’ve the correct run time. Some of these run times listed on IMDb can be slightly off or refer to some other version.

You can find the U.S. version from here (in this print the on-screen title is ”Godzilla 1985”):
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4h...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4h...
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the "us" version is called "Godzilla 1985", has different runtime and was released in 1985

they can't be under the same ENTRY with original gojira 1984 and\or international
The Return of Godzilla 1984. i need a decision of the Mod before i start doing anything. if i just rush in and delete half of the information from tt0087344 to move it to tt9015178, moderator won't allow the change even if i try to explain the reason.


as you can see no one understands me even here, without me deleting anything
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how to even separate titles of rare Godzilla 1985 from international gojira 1984?  all titles of 1984 go to tt9015178, that is easy, but what of post 85 titles which do not mention the year?
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this is such complete convoluted mess that you can't even edit anything without triggering user editor collapse
you can't change dates or titles, you can't add alternative titles IMDB refuses to eat changes
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Two different entries of (essentially) the same film will of course cause some issues, especially with AKA titles, run times, release dates and such. Some U.S. prints are using ”Godzilla 1985” title, while some others might use ”Return of the Godzilla”.

Toho has been notoriously difficult when it comes to licensing their full Japanese versions with English subs (recently Criterion made a deal with Toho, though, but is probably using the older HD masters), so there are all kinds of VHS/DVD/Blu-ray releases of these various U.S. versions. So that’s a ”mess” itself.

I personally wouldn’t change anything until IMDb confirms the status of the title: do they want two different versions (original Japanese and the U.S.) listed separately, or only one (with U.S. version listed only to ”Alternate versions” section). There’s no real point of making edits/corrections before that, IMO, at least.
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”Return of the Godzilla”. is the full version with english title it's from 1984
”Godzilla 1985”  is usa marketing version with different footage and dr pepper product placement

toho has uploaded blu-ray versions of their movies with english subtitles to internet archive
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No it hasn’t. I have to give up now, good luck.
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An Update for anyone interested. It appears that the AKA page is correct.