Genres for titles should be manually sortable

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Please allow the genres for titles to be manually sortable rather than alphabetized by default so they can be prioritized by the ones which are most predominant.  Most users will assume that's how they are prioritized anyway and also won't notice the full list of genres below "Taglines", thus often missing the predominant ones that should be included at the top (below the title & year).

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Posted 7 months ago

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Would be nice.
But unimplementable I'm afraid.
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Why would it be unimplementable?  B/c of a technical obstacle or b/c the ordering is too subjective?
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@Marco:  Yes, that's the genre guide I was referring to that I linked above.  You probably have to click the "View previous..." link a couple times to see that comment if it's hidden/collapsed.  See my 2nd reply to Ed that starts with "Ok, gotcha."

Down-voting to remove was a suggestion to be considered only if the subjectivity of manual sorting was too problematic.  I do not wish to increase subjectivity.  I realize that both the lack of knowledge of genres and individual interpretation of them amongst voters would be issues.  I also agree that it's much more important for a genre to "be removed from a title if IMDb's definition of the genre isn't applicable to said title" than the number of down-votes, but how is IMDb staff supposed to accurately check and label genres for all titles w/out watching each one?  This seems an impossible feat.

Ed stated above that manual sorting would not be implemented for the main reason that it's too much work.  So I was trying to come up with a way to save the staff time in exchange for that which would be required for implementation, b/c there has to be a better way to represent the films' genres than the current alphabetical sorting, especially when most users will probably assume they're ordered by relevance.

I don't agree with abandoning the current system, but perhaps combining the two would make it easier for the staff and provide better genre ordering and accuracy for more films more quickly.  Votes should be cast on whether the proposed genre meets the criteria of IMDb's definition, they should not supersede staff decisions, and they would apply only to films/genres that have not been reviewed and approved by the staff.  Staff could override votes and "lock" genres so users could no longer cast votes on those genres which have already been approved by IMDb staff.
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I submitted my comment once, but it posted a duplicate.  If I try to remove or edit the 2nd one, a red bar appears across the top of the page with no visible error message.  It will not let me do either and I've tried on 2 different computers & browsers.  However, I was able to edit this message.  Therefore, I assume it has to do with the length of the comment.  I reported the glitch to IMDd support.
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Allowing voting on genres would result in the uninformed voting on genres.
There are those in any society that don't have the tools necessary to make an informed decision about anything. So decisions should be left up to those that have a grasp on the concept of genres. This is exactly why IMDb retains the final say. IMDb does on occasion "lock" genres when those that are uninformed continue to incorrectly submit a genre to a title and the "informed" submit removals. When this happens, IMDb staff will lock the genres. I have been involved in only one of these.
It was on an Indian Title, about that countries first space mission to Mars. A REAL space mission, not a fictional mission. A contributor argued that ANY movie that takes place in space MUST be Sci-Fi! He could not be made to understand the difference between Science-Fact and Science-Fiction. And your suggesting that he be allowed to vote? How many people are there out there that cannot grab this simple differentiation?
No......Allowing genre voting is a bad idea I'm afraid.

But ordering them based on the percentage of application to the related storyline is a very good idea. It is how you'd do it that is still not addressed. Voting won't work as described. You could not trust the voting sample.
I'd propose a trusted contributor system for genre ordering. Anyone with 20 years membership at IMDb would work. And if you wondering, that leaves me out of the voting equation. I've only been a user here for 17 or so years, but registered only 8 years.
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shape5, it's a persistent glitch that happens rather often. I removed a duplicate. 
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@Ed Jones(XLIX):  Well, the Flat Earth Theory certainly wouldn't help in the case of your example, b/c anyone who believed it would have to agree that any film that involved space travel or portrayed the Earth as round would be science fiction...heheh.  There wouldn't be a way to prevent people like this from voting unless they made too many mistakes, and then their privileges could be revoked.  But such cases are a minority and therefore wouldn't affect the outcome unless more than 50% of voters voted up for Sci-Fi in that instance.  It would seem that more than 50% of members who are interested enough in a given film to want to vote on its genres would be able to do so in accordance with IMDb's genre definitions, especially if there was a note at the top of the voting section w/ a link to that Help page.  Either way, the end result would still allow staff to have the final say.

Sure, if staff/moderators and 20+ year members had the ability to view nearly all submitted films then it would be ideal, but I doubt that would round up enough people to make the system work.  The "how" part should be left for IMDb staff to figure out since they have the first-hand experience and knowledge from overseeing how the current system works.  Perhaps voting privileges could be included with a Pro membership and also granted to members who have contributed x amount of approved data, possibly adding weight from community forum activity/rank.  The amount of contributed data and forum participation being determining factors probably makes more sense than the amount of time since registering, b/c length of membership alone doesn't correlate to level of contribution, experience, dedication, interest, oversight, or knowledge.

IMDb could also allow members who submit a new film to the database to select the initial genre ordering, regardless of their voting status.  This alone would improve upon the default alphabetical sorting.

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Here is another post about this from last week:

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
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Thanks – that didn't come up in my search results.  I just posted a reply to that one and voted for it.